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  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1710 - June 30, 2010, 10:16 PM
    Quote from: ateapotist on June 30, 2010, 10:13 PM
    Who decides who is on 'Team Loser' and who isn't? Tongue

    The Arrogant & Self-righteous.
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  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1711 - June 30, 2010, 10:17 PM
    Allah is not Arrogant & Self-righteous.  He is God.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1712 - June 30, 2010, 10:21 PM
    Quote from: MRasheed on June 30, 2010, 10:17 PM
    He is God.

    Sorry, hate to blow out your bubble, but your Allah doesnt exist.  He's a product of human imagination, and only becomes real by human imagination.  We can breathe life into him or we can take life out of him.  Regardless life continues.
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  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1713 - June 30, 2010, 10:22 PM
    Quote from: MRasheed on June 30, 2010, 10:17 PM
    Allah is not Arrogant & Self-righteous.  He is God.


    Allah calls himself 'The Arrogant' in 59:23

    ٱلْمُتَكَبِّرُ

    al-Mutakabbar: the Most Proud, The Arrogant, The Exalted, etc.

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1714 - June 30, 2010, 10:22 PM
    You do not have the power to "blow out my bubble," IsLame.  My faith is stronger than your hellbound speak.

    Nice try though.

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1715 - June 30, 2010, 10:24 PM
    Quote from: Zebedee on June 30, 2010, 10:22 PM
    Allah calls himself 'The Arrogant' in 59:23

    ٱلْمُتَكَبِّرُ

    al-Mutakabbar: the Most Proud, The Arrogant, The Exalted, etc.




    lol

    "Arrogant" has a negative connotation in the English language and is inappropriate as a correct translation in that case.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1716 - June 30, 2010, 10:25 PM
    Quote from: MRasheed on June 30, 2010, 10:03 PM
    I don't know it's true.  I believe it's true.  I have faith it is true.


    Mrasheed I know I acted like a dick in this thread but let me ask you one thing just cause I like to knowwhat Muslims think (im not gonna start a debate)

    What do you think aisha's age was when Muhammad had intercourse with her?
    I'm an asshat.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1717 - June 30, 2010, 10:27 PM
    Quote from: MRasheed on June 30, 2010, 10:24 PM
    lol

    "Arrogant" has a negative connotation in the English language and is inappropriate as a correct translation in that case.


    To be fair the word "kibr" means pride/arrogance (thats what muttakabbar is derived from)

    We as humans aren't supposed to be proud/arrogant because allah has reserved that for himself. (according to islam)

    I'm an asshat.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1718 - June 30, 2010, 10:28 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on June 30, 2010, 10:21 PM
    Sorry, hate to blow out your bubble, but your Allah doesnt exist.  He's a product of human imagination, and only becomes real by human imagination.  We can breathe life into him or we can take life out of him.  Regardless life continues.


    That bubble is the self delusion. Its main ingredient is fear - fear of being insignificant in an enormous, indifferent universe with nobody *outside of it* to turn to, and living with this knowledge. Clutching at straws called "faith" which is belief in the opposite of reality, is the only hope for such a scared mind.
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1719 - June 30, 2010, 10:29 PM
    Why are people still trying to debate here? Huh?

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  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1720 - June 30, 2010, 10:29 PM
    Quote from: MRasheed on June 30, 2010, 10:24 PM
    lol

    "Arrogant" has a negative connotation in the English language and is inappropriate as a correct translation in that case.


    Really?

    Then why is it that in Q. 39:72, Hell is referred to as

    مَثْوَى ٱلْمُتَكَـبِّرِينَ
     
    The Abode of al-Mutakabbareena, the Abode of the Arrogant?
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1721 - June 30, 2010, 10:32 PM
    You might also be interested in this

    Hadith Qudsi 19:
    On the authority of Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him), who said that the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said: Allah (mighty and sublime be He) said:

    Pride is my cloak and greatness My robe, and he who competes with Me in respect of either of them I shall cast into Hell-fire.

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1722 - June 30, 2010, 10:33 PM
    Quote from: DigDug on June 30, 2010, 10:25 PM
    Mrasheed I know I acted like a dick in this thread but let me ask you one thing just cause I like to knowwhat Muslims think (im not gonna start a debate)

    What do you think aisha's age was when Muhammad had intercourse with her?


    I think she was around fourteen.  I read a very good article from a dude that laid out an excellent case for it.  Let me see if I can find it...
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1723 - June 30, 2010, 10:35 PM
    Quote from: Zebedee on June 30, 2010, 10:29 PM
    Really?

    Then why is it that in Q. 39:72, Hell is referred to as

    مَثْوَى ٱلْمُتَكَـبِّرِينَ
     
    The Abode of al-Mutakabbareena, the Abode of the Arrogant?


    In this case it IS an appropriate translated because it is meant to confer a negative view. 

    You all make stuff more difficult than it need be, hence your transgression from the faith.  tsk.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1724 - June 30, 2010, 10:40 PM
    Quote from: MRasheed on June 30, 2010, 10:33 PM
    I think she was around fourteen.  I read a very good article from a dude that laid out an excellent case for it.  Let me see if I can find it...


    cool thanks man. I've read stuff that says the same thing I was just interested in where you stood on the issue.

    Quote from: MRasheed on June 30, 2010, 10:35 PM
    In this case it IS an appropriate translated because it is meant to confer a negative view. 

    You all make stuff more difficult than it need be, hence your transgression from the faith.  tsk.


    The translation is correct. In humans it is a bad quality but Muslims don't believe that applies to Allah.

    For instance the word kibr is used to refer to Satan when he refused to prostrate to man
    I'm an asshat.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1725 - June 30, 2010, 10:50 PM
    I understand that the word is the same in the Arabic, I just take issue with using traditionally negative English words to refer to Allah in the translation.  Use Exalted' or something when referring to Allah and 'arrogant' when refering the word to anyone else.

    This should be normal ettiqette for believers and common sense.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1726 - June 30, 2010, 10:54 PM
    Quote from: MRasheed on June 30, 2010, 10:50 PM
    I understand that the word is the same in the Arabic, I just take issue with using traditionally negative English words to refer to Allah in the translation.  Use Exalted' or something when referring to Allah and 'arrogant' when refering the word to anyone else.

    This should be normal ettiqette for believers and common sense.


    No it literally means arrogant even when referring to Allah. It just shows that Muslims believe only Allah has the right to be arrogant and this is not a negative quality when reffering to Allah.
    I'm an asshat.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1727 - June 30, 2010, 10:56 PM
    I understand the concept and meaning of the word is not negative when referring to Allah, but traditionally the English word 'arrogant' is a negative word.  I get your point, I just feel it would be best served for the translator to use a synonym for 'arrogant' instead.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1728 - June 30, 2010, 10:57 PM
    I discussed this with debunker and he said that the exclusive right of Allah to be proud is because Allah is all-powerful, and humans only have what they have because Allah gave them it, and therefore they have no right to be proud or arrogant about what they have.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1729 - June 30, 2010, 10:58 PM
    I agree.  I'm only arguing semantics.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1730 - June 30, 2010, 10:58 PM
    Quote from: MRasheed on June 30, 2010, 10:08 PM
    Not so.  They are hellbound for their beliefs.

    They're on "Team Loser."  

    nobody is on "team loser"

    heres proof

    <Boo]> Islam the only true religion, right?
    <Allah> jesus fucking christ
    <Allah> no
    <Boo> k
    <Muhammad> it was meant to be a troll
    <Muhammad> but people took it seriously
    <Boo> ^^
    <Boo> so no heaven, hell bullshit?
    <Allah> no
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1731 - June 30, 2010, 10:59 PM
    What's wrong with you, dude?
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1732 - June 30, 2010, 11:00 PM
    Quote from: Boo on June 30, 2010, 10:58 PM
    nobody is on "team loser"

    heres proof

    <Boo]> Islam the only true religion, right?
    <Allah> jesus fucking christ
    <Allah> no
    <Boo> k
    <Muhammad> it was meant to be a troll
    <Muhammad> but people took it seriously
    <Boo> ^^
    <Boo> so no heaven, hell bullshit?
    <Allah> no


     Cheesy
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1733 - June 30, 2010, 11:31 PM
    Quote from: MRasheed on June 30, 2010, 10:14 PM
    Quote from: ateapotist on June 30, 2010, 10:13 PM
    Who decides who is on 'Team Loser' and who isn't? Tongue

    Allah.

    But the followers of Ba'al will say their God decides. Tongue Come on man...
    we need a neutral arbiter.... whistling2
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  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1734 - June 30, 2010, 11:34 PM
    I call dibs on the arbiter job. 
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1735 - July 01, 2010, 06:44 AM
    Quote from: Boo on June 30, 2010, 10:58 PM
    nobody is on "team loser"

    heres proof

    <Boo]> Islam the only true religion, right?
    <Allah> jesus fucking christ
    <Allah> no
    <Boo> k
    <Muhammad> it was meant to be a troll
    <Muhammad> but people took it seriously
    <Boo> ^^
    <Boo> so no heaven, hell bullshit?
    <Allah> no


     Cheesy i fucking love you dude  Cheesy Cheesy
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1736 - July 06, 2010, 02:14 PM
    Quote from: ateapotist on June 30, 2010, 11:31 PM
    But the followers of Ba'al will say their God decides. Tongue Come on man...


    What? Ba'al has been trying to move in on the top spot for a while, but of course, there can be only One.

    Quote from: ateapotist on June 30, 2010, 11:31 PM
    we need a neutral arbiter.... whistling2


    Allah will suffice.

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1737 - July 06, 2010, 02:33 PM
    I hear that. I know Allah's been looking to behead Ba'al with his scimitar for some time now.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1738 - July 06, 2010, 03:41 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog

    And yet you have thrown the are you 12, are you 5 insult around more than anybody else here.



    To the guy who posted the pic of the naked Arab kid screwing a pillow, and the guy who hinges his entire argument upon who wrote the page numbers or whatever.  C'mon.

    ***EDIT***

    And did one of those 5 year olds just get banned???
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1739 - July 06, 2010, 04:15 PM
    Quote from: MRasheed on July 06, 2010, 03:41 PM
    and the guy who hinges his entire argument upon who wrote the page numbers or whatever. 

    That was me  grin12  It was in fact the names of the chapters that are inside your quran, that you previously thought was all directly quoted from Allah. 

    Well at least now you must accept that somethings inside your quran were written & invented by men, its up to you which other parts were & which parts werent.

    Now that you also know the Quran was compiled 20 years after the prophets death in its current format, your wishful thinking just got that little bit harder.
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