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  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #450 - August 21, 2010, 04:19 PM
    'Masjid' is the Arabic word for mosque.
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #451 - August 21, 2010, 04:25 PM
    oh... its an overflow prayer space from another mosque.   Huh?

    http://sweetness-light.com/archive/muslim-prayer-center-near-ground-zero

    and i heard the two room thing on the news last week.  But really, everyone
    is using different language to describe it, and it is getting a bit confusing.
    Im just trying to sort out the facts/language, and be done with it.
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #452 - August 21, 2010, 05:28 PM
    Quote from: Abood on August 21, 2010, 04:14 AM
    Lol. Too bad they can be replaced.

    Oh, the wonders of capitalism.

    And for crying out loud, it's not a fucking mosque.

     not having your cultural center blocked by bigoted workers by simply choosing other workers seems like a good facet of capitalism
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #453 - August 21, 2010, 06:50 PM
    Quote from: Abood on August 21, 2010, 04:13 PM
    A mosque is an entire building dedicated to prayer, where no non-religious activity is allowed. It usually has a dome and a minaret.


    I read somewhere a long time ago that mosque/masjid was simply a place where one gathered to pray, not necessarily a place with a dome and minarets.

    I tried googling it and came up with this :

    "Welcome to Masjid.dk

    What does the arab word masjid really mean ?

    Definition : A place where one prostrates (sajda/sujud)"


    http://www.masjid.dk/

    In accordance with the above I think you can call at least the top two floors of Park51 a mosque/masjid.
     

       
    Like a compass needle that points north, a man?s accusing finger always finds a woman. Always.

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  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #454 - August 21, 2010, 06:52 PM
    The masjid I used to go to had no dome or minarets, but was once a restaurant that
    had been converted into a masjid.  One of the "mosques" that was mentioned in one
    of these articles in NY is in a basement under a nightclub. 
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #455 - August 22, 2010, 02:06 AM
    Maajid Nawaz and Douglas Murray (and two other people) speaking about this mosque on BBC Radio 4... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQCaMktACPQ
    .
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #456 - August 22, 2010, 04:20 AM
    maajid nawaaz is a smart dude. i think he probably does understand that he is portraying islam incorrectly on purpose, but thats still good if he can get some muslims on his side.
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #457 - August 22, 2010, 01:27 PM
    He is a very smart and moral person.  He is trying to make the world a better place.
    I'm not sure if he is being dishonest on purpose about the interpretation of Qur'an and Hadith.  Maybe he really does believe that Islamic practices and rulings were not meant to be fixed for all time; and perhaps even that many beliefs were just metaphorical.  OK, this is getting somewhat comical, but never mind.  whistling2  It still makes the world a better place.
    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #458 - August 22, 2010, 01:37 PM
    Quote from: Abood on August 20, 2010, 11:34 AM
    The imam "was the go to guy on counter-terrorism under the Bush Administration when they reached out for Muslim Americans. And he also aided the FBI after the 9/11 attacks."

    Yep, we got ourselves a terrorist sympathizer in a terrorist haven right there!

    Oh, and he calls himself a Jew and a Christian. Mashallah, what an extremist!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5mVcd3YiEQ




    Well call me cynical but I don't really trust people who claim to be many things.  It's usually just to please the audiences they are addressing.
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

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  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #459 - August 22, 2010, 03:04 PM
    But Ras.. isn't that the root trait of any politician or public figure? lol
    Regardless of their position, stance, or beliefs?
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #460 - August 22, 2010, 03:08 PM
    Quote from: s12345 on August 22, 2010, 04:20 AM
    maajid nawaaz is a smart dude. i think he probably does understand that he is portraying islam incorrectly on purpose, but thats still good if he can get some muslims on his side.


    That raises a very important question.

    The problem with dissimulating Islam to make it palatable and to try and 'persuade'  is that you are always susceptible to being debunked and made to look disingenuous at the very least through scriptual and practical evidence. And then you lose credibility all around.

    Its the very nature of Islam that is being contested here.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #461 - August 22, 2010, 03:15 PM
    Quote from: Jinn and Tonic on August 22, 2010, 03:04 PM
    But Ras.. isn't that the root trait of any politician or public figure? lol
    Regardless of their position, stance, or beliefs?


    Which is why I could never trust one of those.  Coming to think of it, I don't trust anyone at all.
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #462 - August 22, 2010, 03:19 PM
    Ras said:  Which is why I could never trust one of those.  Coming to think of it, I don't trust anyone at all.

    Me either! LOL
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #463 - August 23, 2010, 05:14 AM
    From above-linked article:

    As a Sufi, Imam Feisal follows a path of Islam focused more on spiritual wisdom than on strict ritual, and as a bridge builder, he is sometimes focused more on cultivating relations with those outside his faith than within it.

    Ah yes SUFISM - the great white hope of the head-in-the-sand brigade!
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #464 - August 23, 2010, 11:08 AM
    So what?  Do we have any evidence that this imam has called jihad against the infidel?
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #465 - August 23, 2010, 01:23 PM
    Actually, I wanted to investigate being a sufi, and the dawagandists went ballistic   Cheesy
    I wasn't interested in their saint worship, but the attributes of human nature that I
    felt were "right".  (plus, I could relate to their chanting and understood the concept
    of the hair shaking and the ecstatic trancing it induced), until I saw them sticking
    knives in their heads and skewered themselves and then I had to look elsewhere.
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #466 - August 23, 2010, 03:00 PM
    Quote from: deusvult on August 23, 2010, 11:08 AM
    So what?  Do we have any evidence that this imam has called jihad against the infidel?


    I haven't found attributed to him any specific statements like "Rise up Oh believers and wage jihad against the infidel".

    This guy is an out and out shariaist as the following quote amply testifies:

    In the Muslim world, when someone has a grievance and says, "There ought to be a law!" they know that there is one. All the law that a Muslim needs is in the Qur'an and the Hadith, sayings of the Prophet Muhammad. SOURCE

    His tendentious attempt in this and similar articles to equate sharia with "justice", "freedom" and "liberty" as most of us understand the terms marks him out as an untrustworthy weasel-tongued deceit monger.
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #467 - August 23, 2010, 03:28 PM
    Having a subversive ideology isn't a crime in America. Communist parties are allowed in the US and they teach replacing what the US is with something else.
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #468 - August 23, 2010, 04:16 PM


    Rauf’s Dawa from the World Trade Center Rubble
    Meet the Ground Zero Mosque imam's Muslim Brotherhood friends.

    Quote
    Feisal Abdul Rauf is the imam behind the “Cordoba Initiative” that is spearheading plans to build a $100 million Islamic center at Ground Zero, the site where nearly 3,000 Americans were killed by jihadists on 9/11. He is also the author of a book called What’s Right with Islam Is What’s Right with America. But the book hasn’t always been called that. It was called quite  something else for non-English-speaking audiences. In Malaysia, it was published as A Call to Prayer from the World Trade Center Rubble: Islamic Dawa in the Heart of America Post-9/11.


    More here :
    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/243536/raufs-dawa-world-trade-center-rubble-andrew-c-mccarthy

    Hmm
    Like a compass needle that points north, a man?s accusing finger always finds a woman. Always.

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  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #469 - August 23, 2010, 04:21 PM
    Quote from: deusvult on August 23, 2010, 03:28 PM
    Having a subversive ideology isn't a crime in America. Communist parties are allowed in the US and they teach replacing what the US is with something else.


    subversive ideologies shouldn't be covered under freedom of religion IMO.
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #470 - August 23, 2010, 05:43 PM
    Quote from: s12345 on August 23, 2010, 04:21 PM
    subversive ideologies shouldn't be covered under freedom of religion IMO.


    Well I'm sorry you feel that way. However Freedom is ALL or NOTHING
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #471 - August 23, 2010, 05:57 PM
    Quote from: s12345 on August 23, 2010, 04:21 PM
    subversive ideologies shouldn't be covered under freedom of religion IMO.

     freedom of religion doesn't exempt one from the law though.  Even if Islam weren't a religion and just a set of ideology they would have every right to build there.  Religious people make to much of freedom of religion and thinks it exempts their ludicrous actions, but it doesn't
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #472 - August 23, 2010, 07:37 PM
    Quote from: Jinn and Tonic on August 21, 2010, 06:52 PM
    The masjid I used to go to had no dome or minarets, but was once a restaurant that
    had been converted into a masjid.

    I've seen plenty of those in Chicago.
    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #473 - August 23, 2010, 07:38 PM
    Quote from: Paloma on August 23, 2010, 04:16 PM

    Feisal Abdul Rauf is the imam behind the “Cordoba Initiative” that is spearheading plans to build a $100 million Islamic center at Ground Zero, the site where nearly 3,000 Americans were killed by jihadists on 9/11. He is also the author of a book called What’s Right with Islam Is What’s Right with America. But the book hasn’t always been called that. It was called quite  something else for non-English-speaking audiences. In Malaysia, it was published as A Call to Prayer from the World Trade Center Rubble: Islamic Dawa in the Heart of America Post-9/11
    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/243536/raufs-dawa-world-trade-center-rubble-andrew-c-mccarthy

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  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #474 - August 23, 2010, 08:07 PM
    Quote
    Islamic Center cancels Eid carnival on 9/11, schedules interfaith gathering on 9/10.

    Video

    This is a smart move one Islamic center in California made.

    The Ground Zero mosque organizers could avoid confrontation if they were to do the same.
    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #475 - August 23, 2010, 09:02 PM
     Cry  What I am seeing are Americans are confused who to believe, and who not to trust.
    The scripture paraphrase* "pretending not to be a muslim if it endangers you"
    is being played out big time in some of these fear-based groups (Ive been investigating
    them recently), and because so many Americans are so unfamiliar with Islam, they
    are running scared, and playing on people's fear causes disastrous results, as we
    all know.  They are causing mass panic and chaos within middle America, and I am
    starting to see it all (once again) as political platforms to get folks elected. 
    I HATE POLITICS so much!  This is nothing but a launching pad to get the current
    regime out of office.  But I don't agree with the current regime either.  They all
    suck in my book! 

    I have been getting positive feedback, however, when I crossed some "barriers",
    per say.  I hope to do more when I finally get settled after my move.
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #476 - August 24, 2010, 01:51 AM
    http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=21096412&postcount=730
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #477 - August 24, 2010, 02:06 AM
    You have been watching the daily show he has been knocking this out of the park every night.
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #478 - August 24, 2010, 05:21 AM
    Quote from: deusvult on August 23, 2010, 03:28 PM
    Having a subversive ideology isn't a crime in America. Communist parties are allowed in the US and they teach replacing what the US is with something else.


    This guy is working on behalf of the same hostile supranational political entity - ISLAM - as those who destroyed the World Trade Center and shares their aims. If he was open about this and what the proposed mosque REALLY symbolizes to him do you think he would be permitted to build it?
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #479 - August 24, 2010, 11:32 AM
    Please do tell.  It seems that you have peered deep into his soul and discovered what he really thinks.  Please explain and use citations of this imam to back your assertions.
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
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