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Theme Changer

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  • Question: What is the meaning of life
  • to leave the world a better place than when you entered it - 2 (5.6%)
  • to have fun/enjoy oneself - 0 (0%)
  • there is no meaning - 12 (33.3%)
  • we are in charge of creating our own meaning - 12 (33.3%)
  • to serve god - 1 (2.8%)
  • to find out what the meaning is - 0 (0%)
  • to be the best person you can be - 0 (0%)
  • to find true happiness - 0 (0%)
  • to love and be loved - 0 (0%)
  • to reproduce, evolve, and propogate our species - 1 (2.8%)
  • there is one, but it can't be known - 2 (5.6%)
  • there may or may not be one, but it can't be known - 0 (0%)
  • other (elaborate) - 2 (5.6%)
  • to obtain "enlightenment" - 4 (11.1%)
  • to advance knowledge - 0 (0%)
  • Total Voters: 36

 Topic: The meaning of life

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  • Re: The meaning of life
     Reply #60 - August 20, 2010, 04:25 PM
    Quote from: olweasel on August 20, 2010, 04:14 PM
    Huh?



    Haha, no I'm not saying go kill yourself, basically I think you'll truely know what 'it was all about' when you die. I think that makes sense  Huh?

    Everytime I say 'you' here I mean it in a different sense to who you are now, I see it as like you become part of everything, part of the 'fabric of the universe'.

    I can't really explain it, because I don't really know what I'm trying to explain Tongue

    Anyway that's my wishy washy belief on that. This is quite personal stuff, maybe it's not so good to share because these days scientists or those trained in that profession are almost 'not allowed' to believe in anything, even though it's a personal matter.
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: The meaning of life
     Reply #61 - August 20, 2010, 04:30 PM
    Quote from: stardust on August 20, 2010, 04:25 PM
    Haha, no I'm not saying go kill yourself, basically I think you'll truely know what 'it was all about' when you die. I think that makes sense

    If you're talking about being on your deathbed, then that might make sense.

    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Re: The meaning of life
     Reply #62 - August 20, 2010, 04:37 PM
    Quote from: olweasel on August 20, 2010, 04:30 PM
    If you're talking about being on your deathbed, then that might make sense.



    No, but nevermind, it's not important anyway.
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: The meaning of life
     Reply #63 - August 20, 2010, 04:45 PM
    Quote from: Ephemeral on August 20, 2010, 01:58 PM
    The rational standpoint is to not make judgements and make stuff up. until you have evidence. You wait for evidence, then make judgements. It's "there is yet no evidence for hell," so I won't believe in it. That's a rational disbelief. "there's evidence so i will believe it"--rational belief. Then there's irrational belief "there's no evidence for it but I believe".


    I think you are mistaking rationale for empiricism. It is empirical to want evidence for everything, but it is rationality that allows you to formulate general ideas beyond your immediate experience.
    However, both have their limits. Rationality itself can only take you so far. Logic is a limited enterprise and can never explain the totality of life, the universe etc. If there is something after that I don`t know, but it is important not to dismiss something just because it does not fit the rational mindset.
    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: The meaning of life
     Reply #64 - August 20, 2010, 04:48 PM
    Quote from: stardust on August 20, 2010, 04:25 PM
    Everytime I say 'you' here I mean it in a different sense to who you are now, I see it as like you become part of everything, part of the 'fabric of the universe'.

    So in a metaphysical sense, the energy and matter you were borrowing is one with the universe again?

    God damn, I can't find that clip from The Lion King.
    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Re: The meaning of life
     Reply #65 - August 20, 2010, 04:57 PM
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  • Re: The meaning of life
     Reply #66 - August 20, 2010, 05:14 PM
    Quote from: z10 on August 20, 2010, 04:45 PM
    I think you are mistaking rationale for empiricism. It is empirical to want evidence for everything, but it is rationality that allows you to formulate general ideas beyond your immediate experience.
    However, both have their limits. Rationality itself can only take you so far. Logic is a limited enterprise and can never explain the totality of life, the universe etc. If there is something after that I don`t know, but it is important not to dismiss something just because it does not fit the rational mindset.


    not dismissing something and letting it stand there is different from believing in that thing despite the fact that there is no evidence whatsoever. I wouldn't dismiss the idea of an afterlife but I don't believe in it until you provide evidence.
    "If intelligence is feminine... I would want that mine would, in a resolute movement, come to resemble an impious woman."
  • Re: The meaning of life
     Reply #67 - August 20, 2010, 05:16 PM
    It's impossible to provide evidence for something that's beyond logic and reason.
  • Re: The meaning of life
     Reply #68 - August 20, 2010, 05:17 PM
    Quote from: stardust on August 20, 2010, 04:25 PM
    Everytime I say 'you' here I mean it in a different sense to who you are now, I see it as like you become part of everything, part of the 'fabric of the universe'.

    But we know the brain also dies when we die.  To become aware are you assuming we are conscious when we are dead or we have a some kind of "soul"?  

    What is the point for babies who live for only a few hours, or even die in the womb?
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  • Re: The meaning of life
     Reply #69 - August 20, 2010, 05:22 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on August 20, 2010, 05:17 PM
    To become aware are you assuming we are conscious when we are dead or we have a some kind of "soul"?

    It's confusing, since she said before:
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    *I believe you don't remain a seperate conscious entity after death but merge with everything.


    Quote from: Abood on August 20, 2010, 04:57 PM
    .

    That's where she was going, right?  banghead
    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Re: The meaning of life
     Reply #70 - August 20, 2010, 05:22 PM
    Quote from: thinkfree on August 20, 2010, 02:15 PM
    You're right, Take That probably were the meaning of life. Besides, my power level is still over eight thousand nine hundred and ninety point four, FYI.


    *delets thinkfree's account*
  • Re: The meaning of life
     Reply #71 - August 20, 2010, 05:24 PM
    The Earth is conscious. When we die, we become part of the Earth's consciousness. Does that mean we'll be aware of it? No.
  • Re: The meaning of life
     Reply #72 - August 20, 2010, 05:27 PM
    Quote from: z10 on August 20, 2010, 04:45 PM
    ILogic is a limited enterprise and can never explain the totality of life, the universe etc.

     

    Not necessarily, it might one day explain everything.  In any case, we shouldnt just make stuff up otherwise all these thoughts are are worthwhile as me believing in invisible pink unicorns that drink pink lemonade live in the sky.

    Logic also brings me to my present standpoint and helps me to understand that there is not necessarily a meaning to our lives and explains everthing that I am concerned about.  It might not provide me with the answers I want to hear, but t does explain a lot in my case.

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    If there is something after that I don`t know, but it is important not to dismiss something just because it does not fit the rational mindset.

    Agreed, but again I am think it is acceptable to dismiss something just because somebody likes the sound of it, without anything else that supports the theory.  

    Would you dismiss my belief that I will live for eternity because I am special, even though we know everyone else is going to die?
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  • Re: The meaning of life
     Reply #73 - August 20, 2010, 05:28 PM
    Conciousness is an extremely poorly understood concept and anyone who says otherwise is being pretentious.
  • Re: The meaning of life
     Reply #74 - August 20, 2010, 05:31 PM
    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on August 20, 2010, 05:28 PM
    Conciousness is an extremely poorly understood concept

    surely being able to think will suffice?
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  • Re: The meaning of life
     Reply #75 - August 20, 2010, 05:32 PM
    What does it mean to think?

    Akshully, I can't be bothered with a debate at the moment. I tried hard to avoid posting in this thread. I failed.  grin12
  • Re: The meaning of life
     Reply #76 - August 20, 2010, 05:37 PM
    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on August 20, 2010, 05:32 PM
    What does it mean to think?

    Its what our brains do, its a chemical thing -firing of synapses etc.  Thats consciousness. When the brain is dead, we are no longer conscious.

    So are you are happy with my understanding of consciousness now?
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  • Re: The meaning of life
     Reply #77 - August 20, 2010, 05:40 PM
    Nope. It's the understanding I expected. Smiley

    Like I said, not right now.
  • Re: The meaning of life
     Reply #78 - August 20, 2010, 05:41 PM
    you lost  Tongue
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  • Re: The meaning of life
     Reply #79 - August 20, 2010, 05:43 PM
    Smiley

    Start here

    and here.
  • Re: The meaning of life
     Reply #80 - August 20, 2010, 05:45 PM
    tl:dr
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  • Re: The meaning of life
     Reply #81 - August 20, 2010, 05:48 PM
    The SEP (second link) is well worth a read.
  • Re: The meaning of life
     Reply #82 - August 20, 2010, 05:50 PM
    Am sure it is, but its 20pgs long.  Get outta here!  
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  • Re: The meaning of life
     Reply #83 - August 20, 2010, 05:51 PM
    Don't push him, Islame. He'll delete your account, too.
    Each of us a failed state in stark relief against the backdrop of the perfect worlds we seek.
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  • Re: The meaning of life
     Reply #84 - August 20, 2010, 05:51 PM
    OI. WHO SAID YOU CAN COME OUT? GET BACK IN THE BASEMENT!!
  • Re: The meaning of life
     Reply #85 - August 20, 2010, 05:54 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on August 20, 2010, 05:37 PM
    Its what our brains do, its a chemical thing -firing of synapses etc.  Thats consciousness. When the brain is dead, we are no longer conscious.

    So are you are happy with my understanding of consciousness now?

    Oh, and just to in case you are not completely dead under the water, remember consciousness is just a man-made word to explain this phenomeon.
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  • Re: The meaning of life
     Reply #86 - August 20, 2010, 05:56 PM
    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on August 20, 2010, 05:51 PM
    OI. WHO SAID YOU CAN COME OUT? GET BACK IN THE BASEMENT!!

    Sorry, I assumed we pantheists were all ultimately one consciousness, with a shared forum account.
    Each of us a failed state in stark relief against the backdrop of the perfect worlds we seek.
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  • Re: The meaning of life
     Reply #87 - August 20, 2010, 05:59 PM
    Who is 'we pantheists'? -_- You said you were a mormon.
  • Re: The meaning of life
     Reply #88 - August 20, 2010, 06:02 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on August 20, 2010, 05:50 PM
    Am sure it is, but its 20pgs long.  Get outta here!  

    20 pgs is a lot? How do you get through 200+ pg books?
  • Re: The meaning of life
     Reply #89 - August 20, 2010, 06:03 PM
    Very slowly I imagine.
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