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  • Political to the core
     OP - October 12, 2010, 05:03 AM

    Let’s have no doubt about it, Islam is political to the core. In Islam the mosque and State are one and the same—the mosque is the State and State is the Mosque. This arrangement goes back to the days of Muhammad himself. Islam is also radical in the extreme. Even the “moderate” Islam is radical in its beliefs as well as its deeds. ....FULL ARTICLE

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Political to the core
     Reply #1 - October 12, 2010, 06:30 AM

    ... it does you people no favors to be seen treating  the UTTERLY LEGITIMATE concerns of NATIVE western NON-MUSLIMS like myself with kneejerk abuse, vilification and sarcasm. WE, as targets of your murderous fanatical former brethren, have a legitimate interest in this matter.


    What are you implying here? Why 'native' in bold? Who is the 'native' 'we' and what seperates me from that group of people?

    Who are "people like you" exactly? Relatively recent arrivals from the Indian subcontinent or Somalia? North Africans? Eskimos?


    Thats what I'm trying to find out. Thats what I'm asking you. Look here:

    Quote
    ... it does you people no favors to be seen treating  the UTTERLY LEGITIMATE concerns of NATIVE western NON-MUSLIMS like myself with kneejerk abuse, vilification and sarcasm. WE, as targets of your murderous fanatical former brethren, have a legitimate interest in this matter.


    You FIRMLY establish your position as NATIVE, while making an effort to separate me into some significant, yet undisclosed ‘other’ category, so far only known as ‘you people’. These ‘you people’ must be something else other than NATIVE, since you already put them and me apart from NATIVE.

    The same criteria that rules Inhabitants of North America of European, African, Chinese, Arabian, Indian, Mongol origin as being classified as NATIVE Americans: they do not share common ancestry in the continent with the descendants of those human populations who were established there when the Euros first arrived.


    What specific criteria defines a Native British? It doesn't seem like a hard question to me, and you seem to be the one able to enlighten me.

    I am part of the native population who permitted your forebears to settle in their country and enjoy the freedoms you do. What would your life be like now but for that benevolence? You'd have rather more to worry about than a craving for bacon I'll warrant.


    Yes, but what is that native population? What distinguishing features do you have that I do not have? I am curious what you are claiming credit for here. Don't be modest. Share the talent or attribute you have that I do not or tell us about the contribution you made that factors into it.

    Indeed, without the existence of a wider predominantly non-Muslim society around you you'd probably be braindead robot scuttling about in a burqa muttering homilies to Allah every time you walked through a toilet door or came within 100 feet of a dog.


    Oh? Why?

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Political to the core
     Reply #2 - October 12, 2010, 06:55 AM

    Let’s have no doubt about it, Islam is political to the core. In Islam the mosque and State are one and the same—the mosque is the State and State is the Mosque. This arrangement goes back to the days of Muhammad himself. Islam is also radical in the extreme. Even the “moderate” Islam is radical in its beliefs as well as its deeds. ....FULL ARTICLE


    Don't ever take my country's name in vain do you understand? You don't represent my people or the "natives" of Europe. I did not leave Islam for the benefit of stuffing my face with pork. And as a muslim I stood for the values of my country and as a non-muslim I will continue to stand for it, to fight for it. Now more than ever. I am a European I resent your fucking allegations. I stand for liberty and freedom, for equality and justice. You belong to a minority of fear-mongering, hate-mongering cowards. You are a shame to your people. A shame to our values.

    I am more European than you. I love the West more than you. Understand it more and value it more than you. And I'm sure as shit braver than you.

    There is nothing for you here. You are not welcome.

    Take your shit to some BNP forum. Take your shit to Ummah.com even. You have the freedom to post your shit here but from now on everytime you do I will hunt you down and haunt your fucking posts.
  • Re: Political to the core
     Reply #3 - October 12, 2010, 08:14 AM

    @DH

    So I'd like to ask you, if I may, why exactly do you post these kinds of articles? Are you looking for a genuine and serious discussion or are you simply trying to wind people up?
  • Re: Political to the core
     Reply #4 - October 12, 2010, 08:36 AM

    DH - you're part of the reason some people in these countries fail to integrate.  They realise they will never made to feel welcome no matter how hard they try.

    ETA: I was told that constantly as a kid, and was taunted/bullied racially at school at different times by different people, and only managed to break away from this 'them & us' mentality when I realised not everyone was like you.  

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  • Re: Political to the core
     Reply #5 - October 12, 2010, 11:42 AM


    DH, are you a member of the BNP?

    Just asking.


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  • Re: Political to the core
     Reply #6 - October 12, 2010, 11:58 AM

    It's islam watch... Whatever could you expect than such a crap?
    Let's make it clear: I hate this sort of criticizm, because it isn't aimed at the religion primarily, but on allegations and accusations on the muslims, which is the biggest error you could make in criticizing islam. It bores me, this always same point of view, mainly from a christian perspective...
    When do these guys begin to criticize, not to discriminate?!

    Let's all get along
  • Re: Political to the core
     Reply #7 - October 12, 2010, 04:30 PM

    DH, you need to start earnestly addressing the questions that people are asking of you, otherwise your activities here will fit the definition of trolling. So if you want to be allowed to stay on this site, answer the questions others pose of you, you don't get to just ask questions and throw stuff into a discussion then run off when questions are asked of you that make you uncomfortable. Consider this a friendly warning to stop behaving like a troll and start behaving like a forum member.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Political to the core
     Reply #8 - October 12, 2010, 07:59 PM

    Let’s have no doubt about it, Islam is political to the core. In Islam the mosque and State are one and the same—the mosque is the State and State is the Mosque. This arrangement goes back to the days of Muhammad himself. Islam is also radical in the extreme. Even the “moderate” Islam is radical in its beliefs as well as its deeds. ....FULL ARTICLE

    Cool story, bra.
  • Re: Political to the core
     Reply #9 - October 13, 2010, 05:37 AM

    What are you implying here? Why 'native' in bold? Who is the 'native' 'we' and what seperates me from that group of people?

    Thats what I'm trying to find out. Thats what I'm asking you. Look here:

    You FIRMLY establish your position as NATIVE, while making an effort to separate me into some significant, yet undisclosed ‘other’ category, so far only known as ‘you people’. These ‘you people’ must be something else other than NATIVE, since you already put them and me apart from NATIVE.

    What specific criteria defines a Native British? It doesn't seem like a hard question to me, and you seem to be the one able to enlighten me.

    Yes, but what is that native population? What distinguishing features do you have that I do not have? I am curious what you are claiming credit for here. Don't be modest. Share the talent or attribute you have that I do not or tell us about the contribution you made that factors into it.

    Oh? Why?


    Ishina. Please refrain trolling this thread and remove your above post. I'll get back to you on the appropriate thread when I have enough time. You don't need to chase me through the forum as I am not avoiding your question. I am not a racist, have not carelessly exposed myself as one  and you have not "cornered" me  poised to administer the "coup de gras" despite what you and whoever forwarded you against me as "poster of the month" obviously believe. Again, remove your above trolling post please. That goes for all the other trolls on this thread.

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Political to the core
     Reply #10 - October 13, 2010, 06:13 AM

    You're out of credit I'm afraid.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Political to the core
     Reply #11 - October 13, 2010, 06:42 AM

    Ishina. Please refrain trolling this thread and remove your above post. I'll get back to you on the appropriate thread when I have enough time. You don't need to chase me through the forum as I am not avoiding your question. I am not a racist, have not carelessly exposed myself as one  and you have not "cornered" me  poised to administer the "coup de gras" despite what you and whoever forwarded you against me as "poster of the month" obviously believe. Again, remove your above trolling post please. That goes for all the other trolls on this thread.


    Yes DH we'll leave you alone. You can have your own sub-forum. DH's Delusions or something.
  • Re: Political to the core
     Reply #12 - October 13, 2010, 06:21 PM

    The sad part is, the regimes and occupations in the muslim lands are used as if they are an example of how Islam is implemented.
  • Re: Political to the core
     Reply #13 - October 13, 2010, 07:51 PM

    What's wrong with the Shariah that's implemented in Saudi Arabia or Iran?
  • Re: Political to the core
     Reply #14 - October 13, 2010, 08:16 PM

    The sad part is, the regimes and occupations in the muslim lands are used as if they are an example of how Islam is implemented.


    What would be a better example of how Islam is implemented?

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Political to the core
     Reply #15 - October 13, 2010, 08:17 PM

    No true scotsman fallacy incoming.

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  • Re: Political to the core
     Reply #16 - October 13, 2010, 08:20 PM

    TruthSeeker

    i mean this as no insult or slight but ur HT arnt u?


    All I know is that the universe is a beautiful & complicated place. I think we are beautiful beings. Everyday I find something to marval at. I just hope I don't get burned in eternal torment because I miscalculated the truth level of a 7th Century camel salesman's feverish rantings. ~ BlackDog
  • Re: Political to the core
     Reply #17 - October 15, 2010, 03:01 PM

    What's wrong with the Shariah that's implemented in Saudi Arabia or Iran?


    Saudi Arabia? I lived there, they are oppressive, backwards, corrupt, and for all intents and purposes an economic colony.

    I'll show some islamic contradictions

    They cut the hands of the theif, yet they cause the poverty in the land by hoarding wealth.

    They have both secular and nonsecular courts.

    The banks are based upon capitalism and founded on interest.

    They invest in foreign markets that are illegal (citigroup for instance) and the investments are not islamically permissible. In addition, they allow foreign investment into capital which is also not allowed.

    They oppress women (no vote, no driving, the authorities abuse women, etc).

    A dictatorial family runs the country.

    This is just the beginning.


    Iran has even more social/economic issues, though on the surface they try to show as if they are very anti american/israel because much of the population is. Even a tyrant can't remain in power if the people and the army both revolt.

    Islam has been reduced to a bunch of traditions today, or (as the media shows) people talking only about fighting.


    TruthSeeker

    i mean this as no insult or slight but ur HT arnt u?




    HT? What's that an abbreviation for (google says hindustan times, if that's what you meant then no)

    What would be a better example of how Islam is implemented?


    Well the last time islam was implemented was a 100 years ago, and it was only left in base structure.

    Proper implementation of islam in ever aspect was in the 1600s and prior. Most people do not realize that it was islam that gave women much of the rights women in the west paid for in their blood. I was raised from birth in a US embassy school, under the US flag. They showed how much women sacrificed for the rights they have in the US. And yet many of these basic rights (employment, vote, owning property, inheritance, doing business, protection, etc) were already given to muslim women almost 1300 years ago.

    Now how do I show you this, when back where muslims live the exact opposite is happening? I feel at a loss because I can't show you a real practical example right now of islam. All I have is what I know and what I practice =/. I suppose for many people it isn't enough until they can see it with their own eyes... and I don't really know what I can do about that except try my best myself.
  • Re: Political to the core
     Reply #18 - October 15, 2010, 03:21 PM

    @TruthSeeker

    Nevertheless, Saudi Arabia and Iran are probably the closest examples of a Shariah-run state today.

    Quote
    Proper implementation of islam in ever aspect was in the 1600s and prior. Most people do not realize that it was islam that gave women much of the rights women in the west paid for in their blood. I was raised from birth in a US embassy school, under the US flag. They showed how much women sacrificed for the rights they have in the US. And yet many of these basic rights (employment, vote, owning property, inheritance, doing business, protection, etc) were already given to muslim women almost 1300 years ago.


    Islam gave greater rights to women than they had in Jahiliyya but a number of the things you list, women already had. Take Muhammad's wife, Khadija, she was a trader and business woman, before Muhammad's prophet-hood and Islam.

    At the same time, I don't really think there's much contest between what gives women greater rights and freedoms: Shariah or the modern understanding of human rights.
  • Re: Political to the core
     Reply #19 - October 15, 2010, 03:33 PM


    Islam gave greater rights to women than they had in Jahiliyya but a number of the things you list, women already had. Take Muhammad's wife, Khadija, she was a trader and business woman, before Muhammad's prophet-hood and Islam.

    She even asked for his hand in marriage and was 15 years senior to him.

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  • Re: Political to the core
     Reply #20 - October 15, 2010, 03:39 PM

    There ya go then.
  • Re: Political to the core
     Reply #21 - October 15, 2010, 03:48 PM

    Well the last time islam was implemented was a 100 years ago, and it was only left in base structure.


    Thats a cute round number, but I didn't ask when. Where was it implemented? And how?


    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Political to the core
     Reply #22 - October 15, 2010, 03:59 PM

    Quote
    At the same time, I don't really think there's much contest between what gives women greater rights and freedoms: Shariah or the modern understanding of human rights.


     Afro The bottom line!  clap Its pathetic how people look to religion as a panacea for all human ills.



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  • Re: Political to the core
     Reply #23 - October 15, 2010, 04:06 PM

    Most people do not realize that it was islam that gave women much of the rights women in the west paid for in their blood. I was raised from birth in a US embassy school, under the US flag. They showed how much women sacrificed for the rights they have in the US. And yet many of these basic rights (employment, vote, owning property, inheritance, doing business, protection, etc) were already given to muslim women almost 1300 years ago.


    This is a good article on women and Islam.  You should read it.
    http://www.islam-watch.org/AliSina/WomensStatus.htm

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  • Re: Political to the core
     Reply #24 - October 15, 2010, 04:11 PM

    Saudi Arabia? I lived there, they are oppressive, backwards, corrupt, and for all intents and purposes an economic colony.

    I'll show some islamic contradictions

    They cut the hands of the theif, yet they cause the poverty in the land by hoarding wealth.

    They have both secular and nonsecular courts.

    The banks are based upon capitalism and founded on interest.

    They invest in foreign markets that are illegal (citigroup for instance) and the investments are not islamically permissible. In addition, they allow foreign investment into capital which is also not allowed.

    They oppress women (no vote, no driving, the authorities abuse women, etc).

    A dictatorial family runs the country.

    This is just the beginning.


    Iran has even more social/economic issues, though on the surface they try to show as if they are very anti american/israel because much of the population is. Even a tyrant can't remain in power if the people and the army both revolt.

    Islam has been reduced to a bunch of traditions today, or (as the media shows) people talking only about fighting.


    HT? What's that an abbreviation for (google says hindustan times, if that's what you meant then no)

    Well the last time islam was implemented was a 100 years ago, and it was only left in base structure.

    Proper implementation of islam in ever aspect was in the 1600s and prior. Most people do not realize that it was islam that gave women much of the rights women in the west paid for in their blood. I was raised from birth in a US embassy school, under the US flag. They showed how much women sacrificed for the rights they have in the US. And yet many of these basic rights (employment, vote, owning property, inheritance, doing business, protection, etc) were already given to muslim women almost 1300 years ago.

    Now how do I show you this, when back where muslims live the exact opposite is happening? I feel at a loss because I can't show you a real practical example right now of islam. All I have is what I know and what I practice =/. I suppose for many people it isn't enough until they can see it with their own eyes... and I don't really know what I can do about that except try my best myself.


    Doesn't say much for Allah's omnipotence does it? People violate his laws at will and amass wealth,nothing out of the ordinary happens to them,they keep enjoying earthly pleasures like their corrupt kufar counterparts,seemingly unperturbed by the horrors awaiting them in fiery hell,while naive devotees keep suffering and thinking about their heavenly rewards!



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
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  • Re: Political to the core
     Reply #25 - October 15, 2010, 04:35 PM

    @Saathiya  a very good article indeed. The results of what happened in those days is evident in the trials and tribulations of Muslim women in their native environment,today.



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
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    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
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