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  • Remembrance Day
     OP - November 04, 2010, 11:15 AM


    They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old
    Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn
    At the going down of the sun and in the morning
    We will remember them


    --oOo--

    November is the time of the year when we here in the UK and Commonwealth wear a red poppy in memory of those who sacrificed their lives for us in the Great Wars.

    The eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month marks the signing of the Armistice, on 11th November 1918, to signal the end of World War One. At 11 am on 11 November 1918 the guns of the Western Front fell silent after more than four years continuous warfare.

    What is Remembrance Day?

    Remembrance Day is on 11 November. It is a special day set aside to where the nation comes together to remember the sacrifices that hundreds of thousands of British and Commonwealth Service men and women made not just during the Great War, but World War Two and all subsequent conflicts. At one time the day was known as Armistice Day and was renamed Remembrance Day after the Second World War. It is Veterans Day in the US.

    Here in UK, Remembrance Sunday is held on the second Sunday in November, which is usually the Sunday nearest to 11 November. Special services are held at war memorials and churches all over Britain. Wreaths are laid beside war memorials. People also leave small wooden crosses by the memorials in remembrance of someone dear to them who died in war.

    Remembrance Day is also known as Poppy Day, because it is traditional to wear an artificial poppy. They are sold by the Royal British Legion, a charity dedicated to helping war veterans and their families. A team of people, most of them disabled, work throughout the year to hand-make poppies and wreaths for the Poppy Appeal. Remember to put a few coins in the box if you are so inclined. It is for a noble cause.

    The Flanders Poppy became accepted throughout the allied nations as the flower of remembrance to be worn on Armistice Day. The red poppies were among the first plants that sprouted from the devastation of the battlefields of northern France and Belgium. Soldiers folklore had it that the poppies were vivid red from having bloomed in ground drenched with the blood of their comrades.

    At 11am on each Remembrance Sunday a two minute silence is observed at war memorials and other public spaces across the UK. The Last Post is traditionally played to introduce the two minute silence in Remembrance Day ceremonies. It is usually played on a bugle. (In military life, 'The Last Post' marks the end of the day and the final farewell.)

    Here is a poem often read aloud during the ceremony:
    --oOo--

    With proud thanksgiving, a mother for her children
    England mourns for her dead across the sea
    Flesh of her flesh they were, spirit of her spirit
    Fallen in the cause of the free

    Solemn the drums thrill; Death august and royal
    Sings sorrow up into immortal spheres
    There is music in the midst of desolation
    And a glory that shines upon our tears

    They went with songs to the battle, they were young
    Straight of limb, true of eye, steady and aglow
    They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted
    They fell with their faces to the foe

    They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old
    Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn
    At the going down of the sun and in the morning
    We will remember them

    They mingle not with their laughing comrades again
    They sit no more at familiar tables of home
    They have no lot in our labour of the daytime
    They sleep beyond England's foam

    But where our desires are and our hopes profound
    Felt as a well spring that is hidden from sight
    To the innermost heart of their own land they are known
    As the stars are known to the Night

    As the stars that shall be bright when we are dust
    Moving in marches upon the heavenly plain
    As the stars that are starry in the time of our darkness
    To the end, to the end, they remain

    ~ For the Fallen, by Laurence Binyon

    --oOo--

    Perhaps for one day a year we can leave politics, opinions and religion to one side and show a measure of respect to all those who gave their lives for the liberty and comforts we sometimes take for granted, maybe even visit the cenotaphs and legions to give thanks to those who gave us our freedom.

    However you feel about the current political climate or conflicts, just remember those of perhaps an older generation to you who fought and died for better causes and express a little gratitude this Remembrance Day. Those who paid the ultimate sacrifice and the veterans who lived through it do not deserve to be forgotten.

    I will be wearing my poppy with pride.

    /salute


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  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #1 - November 04, 2010, 11:53 AM

    /salute

    We will never forget what was sacrificed and I will always wear my poppy with pride

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  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #2 - November 04, 2010, 12:06 PM

    This won't make you natives ladies. Don't attempt it.
  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #3 - November 04, 2010, 12:36 PM


    They shall never be forgotten.


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  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #4 - November 04, 2010, 12:46 PM

    This won't make you natives ladies. Don't attempt it.


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  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #5 - November 04, 2010, 12:59 PM

    /salute  Afro



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  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #6 - November 11, 2010, 01:17 PM


    The average British soldier is 19 years old...

    He is a short haired, well built lad who, under normal circumstances is considered by society as half man, half boy. Not yet dry behind the ears and just old enough to buy a round of drinks but old enough to die for his country – and for you. He’s not particularly keen on hard work but he’d rather be grafting in Afghanistan than unemployed in the UK. He recently left comprehensive school where he was probably an average student, played some form of sport, drove a ten year old rust bucket, and knew a girl that either broke up with him when he left, or swore to be waiting when he returns home. He moves easily to rock and roll or hip-hop or to the rattle of a 7.62mm machine gun.

    He is about a stone lighter than when he left home because he is working or fighting from dawn to dusk and well beyond. He has trouble spelling, so letter writing is a pain for him, but he can strip a rifle in 25 seconds and reassemble it in the dark. He can recite every detail of a machine gun or grenade launcher and use either effectively if he has to. He digs trenches and latrines without the aid of machines and can apply first aid like a professional paramedic. He can march until he is told to stop, or stay dead still until he is told to move.

    He obeys orders instantly and without hesitation but he is not without a rebellious spirit or a sense of personal dignity. He is confidently self-sufficient. He has two sets of uniform with him: he washes one and wears the other. He keeps his water bottle full and his feet dry. He sometimes forgets to brush his teeth, but never forgets to clean his rifle. He can cook his own meals, mend his own clothes and fix his own hurts. If you are thirsty, he'll share his water with you; if you are hungry, his food is your food. He'll even share his life-saving ammunition with you in the heat of a firefight if you run low.

    He has learned to use his hands like weapons and regards his weapon as an extension of his own hands. He can save your life or he can take it, because that is his job - it's what a soldier does. He often works twice as long and hard as a civilian, draws half the pay and has nowhere to spend it, and can still find black ironic humour in it all. There's an old saying in the British Army: 'If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined!'

    He has seen more suffering and death than he should have in his short lifetime. He has wept in public and in private, for friends who have fallen in combat and he is unashamed to show it or admit it. He feels every bugle note of the 'Last Post' or 'Sunset' vibrate through his body while standing rigidly to attention. He's not afraid to 'Bollock' anyone who shows disrespect when the Regimental Colours are on display or the National Anthem is played; yet in an odd twist, he would defend anyone's right to be an individual. Just as with generations of young people before him, he is paying the price for our freedom. Clean shaven and baby faced he may be, but be prepared to defend yourself if you treat him like a kid.

    He is the latest in a long thin line of British fighting men who have kept this country free for hundreds of years. He asks for nothing from us except our respect, friendship and understanding. We may not like what he does, but sometimes he doesn't like it either - he just has it to do. Remember him always, for he has earned our respect and admiration with his blood.

    Now we even have brave young women putting themselves in harm's way, doing their part in this tradition of going to war when our nation's politicians call on us to do so.

    When you read this, please stop for a moment and if you are so inclined, feel free to say a prayer for our troops in the trouble spots of the world.

    ~ HT/ Bryan

    --oOo--

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  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #7 - November 11, 2010, 01:23 PM

    lol.. I didn't know it was British.. I was celebrating it in Canada in the form of long weekends wearing poppy.

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  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #8 - November 11, 2010, 04:23 PM

    Remembrance Day is held in most if not all the Commonwealth nations. Smiley

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  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #9 - November 11, 2010, 04:39 PM

    Lest we forget

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  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #10 - November 11, 2010, 04:40 PM

    I will never forget.

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  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #11 - November 11, 2010, 04:45 PM

    I will never forget.

    What we talking about again?

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  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #12 - November 11, 2010, 04:46 PM

    Good post.

    But:

    Quote
    The Flanders Poppy became accepted throughout the allied nations as the flower of remembrance to be worn on Armistice Day.


    We don't do that in the US for Veterans Day. Dunno why. Memorial Day is really our version of "Remembrance Day", though I think you Brits do it right. Veterans Day is barely observed here, and Memorial Day moves around to make a three-day weekend so that people can do their BBQs and fireworks-- which is cool and all, but I really think the day should be about mourning the dead, not fuckin hot dogs and hamburgers and shit.

    fuck you
  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #13 - November 11, 2010, 04:51 PM

    What we talking about again?


    lol, remembrance day.

    Good post.

    But:

    We don't do that in the US for Veterans Day. Dunno why. Memorial Day is really our version of "Remembrance Day", though I think you Brits do it right. Veterans Day is barely observed here, and Memorial Day moves around to make a three-day weekend so that people can do their BBQs and fireworks-- which is cool and all, but I really think the day should be about mourning the dead, not fuckin hot dogs and hamburgers and shit.


    Really? I would have thought it would be an equally important day for you guys.

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  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #14 - November 11, 2010, 04:55 PM

    Probably was once, but like so many things we've become decadent and forgotten about it. When I was a kid my grandpa wearing his MOPH or DAV hat and marching in the Veterans Day or Memorial Day parade was a big thing, but, over time, Vets Day has become next to forgotten, and Memorial Day more and more about the cook-outs and fireworks. We still have ceremonies for both, but the Memorial Day ones are overshadowed by the partying, and the Veterans Day ones go by largely unnoticed and seem to get smaller each year as the WWII generation dies off.

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  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #15 - November 11, 2010, 06:34 PM

    Remembrance Day is held in most if not all the Commonwealth nations. Smiley

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  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #16 - November 11, 2010, 06:37 PM

    Canada is part of the Commonwealth.

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  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #17 - November 11, 2010, 06:41 PM

    Commonwealth are mostly countries of the old English empire, who have agreed to abide by certain humanitarian & egalitarian protocols

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  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #18 - November 11, 2010, 06:46 PM

    I don't know what common wealth is, but once I was visiting Britian and I was told by the crew to fill out the form, only if so and so is your passport and something related to common wealth. I showed my Canadian passport and she said I had to fill it as I am not part of that common group.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Nations

    I always thought it hilarious that Mozambique joined the Commonwealth of Nations, given that it was never a British colony and fought a bloody struggle of independence against its former colonial occupier, Portugal, and is still ruled by the Communist party that lead the liberation war.

    fuck you
  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #19 - November 11, 2010, 06:48 PM

    We don't do that in the US for Veterans Day. Dunno why. Memorial Day is really our version of "Remembrance Day", though I think you Brits do it right. Veterans Day is barely observed here, and Memorial Day moves around to make a three-day weekend so that people can do their BBQs and fireworks-- which is cool and all, but I really think the day should be about mourning the dead, not fuckin hot dogs and hamburgers and shit.


    Its a solemn occasion here, but a very dignified one. The cities go silent on the strike of 11, some of the traffic stops, people stand about reflecting and whatnot. Most people are considerate at least. It’s the least we can do, pay a little respect.

    Y’know, its so sad really. There are around 1,100 homeless vets in London. I think its 1 in 4 homeless in America is a vet too? Its so shameful that it’s a group of people that give so much and then get cast away when they’ve served their use. Many of them find it hard with the transition back to civilisation. They struggle to get social housing. They should get more help than they do. They just get fucked over and out. The British Legion are campaigning for the vets to have their homeless priority category raised.

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  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #20 - November 11, 2010, 07:30 PM

    Thanks Ishina, nice to read your posts.  Afro

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  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #21 - November 11, 2010, 07:45 PM

    Now to put a damper on the tribute...


    To hell with remembrance day.
    Whats the point of having a remembrance day when you don't fucking learn from your past mistakes and continue to make them.
    Thats not remembering, thats a god damn sharade.

    If you want to have a remembrance day, have it when you've learnt what caused you to have to remember in the first fucking place.
    Remembrance day should be changed to 'let's pretend we've surpassed the past-denial day' or perhaps 'let's pre decide to remember the future people of ww3 and ww4 day, because we're only pretending to remember to make ourselves feel better about our own lives day'

    (Not very catchy, but you get the point)



    Remembrance day is a fucking insult to people who lost their lives, because we're still continuing to add even more of these people on the heap for even lesser reasons than ever.


  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #22 - November 11, 2010, 08:05 PM

    You kinda got a point, but I still think it's important to find a way to honor and mourn military vets. I getcha, though, it's a nice gesture for vets and their families, but rather empty as long as we continue to send young men to die in imperialist wars.

    I think the best way to honor combat vets would be to set them the fuck up when they get back so they don't have to worry about jack shit for the rest of their lives (you volunteer to kill and die for a country, that country fuckin owes your ass as far as I'm concerned, even if the war was unjust), and avoid creating more combat vets through wars of conquest and hegemony.

    fuck you
  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #23 - November 11, 2010, 08:24 PM

    Commonwealth are mostly countries of the old English empire, who have agreed to abide by certain humanitarian & egalitarian protocols

    And mutually beneficial trade/aid agreements and cultural exchanges.

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  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #24 - November 11, 2010, 08:25 PM

    And mutually beneficial trade/aid agreements and cultural exchanges.

    lol, I missed the most important bit - the British government programmed me well  grin12

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  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #25 - November 11, 2010, 08:27 PM

    ya ya.. whatever.. If India and Pakistan are also part of the common wealth countries, then the theory of remembrance day being celebrated in them fails.

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  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #26 - November 11, 2010, 08:30 PM

    Yeah, but they aren't Commonwealth Realms

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_realms

    And India does, in fact, observe it.

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  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #27 - November 11, 2010, 08:31 PM

    Now to put a damper on the tribute...


    To hell with remembrance day.
    Whats the point of having a remembrance day when you don't fucking learn from your past mistakes and continue to make them.
    Thats not remembering, thats a god damn sharade.

    If you want to have a remembrance day, have it when you've learnt what caused you to have to remember in the first fucking place.
    Remembrance day should be changed to 'let's pretend we've surpassed the past-denial day' or perhaps 'let's pre decide to remember the future people of ww3 and ww4 day, because we're only pretending to remember to make ourselves feel better about our own lives day'

    (Not very catchy, but you get the point)



    Remembrance day is a fucking insult to people who lost their lives, because we're still continuing to add even more of these people on the heap for even lesser reasons than ever.




    Sorry man, but it's  self evident that, despite what we'd like to think  Humans are capable of, War is what we do best. So we may as well honour those who did it. It must have some survival value to our species, otherwise it wouldn't be so prevalent.

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  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #28 - November 11, 2010, 08:32 PM

    lol, I missed the most important bit - the British government programmed me well  grin12

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  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #29 - November 11, 2010, 08:33 PM

    It must have some survival value to our species, otherwise it wouldn't be so prevalent.

    How can killing each other have a survival value.  The survival value comes from another indirectly linked trait - our communal/tribal instinct.

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