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  • Somali pirates get record ransom
     OP - November 07, 2010, 12:29 PM

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    Somali pirates are reported to have received a total of $12.3m (£7.6m) in ransom money to release two ships.

    They are believed to have been paid a record $9.5m (£5.8m) for Samho Dream, a South Korean oil tanker, and nearly $2.8m (£1.7m) for the Golden Blessing, a Singaporean flagged ship.

    "We are now counting our cash," a pirate who gave his name as Hussein told Reuters news agency. "Soon we shall get down from the ship."

    All crew are believed to be unharmed.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-11704306

    Haha, they are ballin'. Good for them Afro

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  • Re: Somali pirates get record ransom
     Reply #1 - November 07, 2010, 12:57 PM

    Good for them.. how?  Huh?
  • Re: Somali pirates get record ransom
     Reply #2 - November 07, 2010, 01:09 PM

    Good for them.. how?  Huh?


    Good for them that they are getting money, I said they were ballin'  Huh?

    But if you are wondering, yes. I support the Pirates personally or rather what the net effect of what they are doing is

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  • Re: Somali pirates get record ransom
     Reply #3 - November 07, 2010, 01:20 PM

    What's the net effect?

    Loki, are these ships in International waters?
  • Re: Somali pirates get record ransom
     Reply #4 - November 07, 2010, 01:28 PM

    What's the net effect?

    Loki, are these ships in International waters?


    Net effect is that bastard countries and companies are now too scared to dump their shit and fish in Somali waters incase their ass gets hijacked by Somali "coast guard"   Afro

    Probably some of the hijacked ones were in international waters, I'm not sure.

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  • Re: Somali pirates get record ransom
     Reply #5 - November 07, 2010, 01:52 PM

    Net effect is that bastard countries and companies are now too scared to dump their shit and fish in Somali waters incase their ass gets hijacked by Somali "coast guard"   Afro

    Probably some of the hijacked ones were in international waters, I'm not sure.


    I do agree. At first people (including fishermen) resorted to piracy simply to protect their livelihoods. But I think after a while many jumped on the bandwagon for material gains only, i.e. thieves plain and simple.

    The piracy has decreased but I'm still surprised to see it happen. I thought a real coast guard operation was in works? And new of a new navy base being built:

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    Today, construction of Puntland navy base to bolster the fight against Somali pirates began at Bandar Siyada village, about 25km west of Bosaso city, the commercial capital of Puntland.


    http://horseedmedia.net/2010/05/31/somalia-puntland-to-start-construction-of-new-navy-base/

    How does this not affect other things? Like aid from the UN World Food Programme (WFP) which arrives by sea. Two WFP ships were hijacked and a third vessel which had WFP shipments was also hijacked a few years ago:

    http://www.wfp.org/node/426

    Why would you hijack a food aid ship?

    So to be fair, I agree with you on the first point but I don't think that's always the case and I can't agree with piracy on international waters for trading ships.
  • Re: Somali pirates get record ransom
     Reply #6 - November 07, 2010, 02:01 PM

    Oh yeah, I'm not going to lie some of the Pirates do some fucking stupid things.
    They deserve a good kick in the nuts by their wives for hijacking aid ships.

    But generally speaking, I think the effect has been overall more positive than negative and one of the reasons why it won't stop is because of the catch 22 that comes with it.

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  • Re: Somali pirates get record ransom
     Reply #7 - November 07, 2010, 02:17 PM

    Good for them that they are getting money, I said they were ballin'  Huh?

    But if you are wondering, yes. I support the Pirates personally or rather what the net effect of what they are doing is


    I can understand your point about them defending their seas.  I don't blame them for that, but do not think that once they have seen the rewards they are going back to being simple fishermen.  Piracy will be far more harmful for the Somalis in the long run.  The pirates will become untouchables in their own country and they will attract the attention of far more powerful and harder navies..

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  • Re: Somali pirates get record ransom
     Reply #8 - November 07, 2010, 02:30 PM

    I can understand your point about them defending their seas.  I don't blame them for that, but do not think that once they have seen the rewards they are going back to being simple fishermen.  Piracy will be far more harmful for the Somalis in the long run.  The pirates will become untouchables in their own country and they will attract the attention of far more powerful and harder navies..


    They can't.
    The second Pirates give it up and all go back to being fishermen. The ships will return and dump their shit. Hence why I said it's a catch 22.
    If they continue pirating even tho they have scared off the people, they will be seen negatively. If they stop pirating and go back to fishing now it is available, they open themselves up to having their livelihood taken away again and will once again have to return to pirating.

    Pirates are slapped back to reality and in line once in a while by the Islamists who hate them. I'm not too worried about them being untouchable
    Untouchable against what? There is no law in HOA

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  • Re: Somali pirates get record ransom
     Reply #9 - November 07, 2010, 02:36 PM

    They can't.
    The second Pirates give it up and all go back to being fishermen. The ships will return and dump their shit. Hence why I said it's a catch 22.


    They will not either, don't kid yourself into thinking that even if the ships were to stop dumping shit in their seas they would hang their AKs.  After you start making that amount of money you wouldn't want to go back to eking out a meager existence.


    If they continue pirating even tho they have scared off the people, they will be seen negatively. If they stop pirating and go back to fishing now it is available, they open themselves up to having their livelihood taken away again and will once again have to return to pirating.


    That is why in the meantime they should invest to form a government or perhaps rent their ports to a naval power that can offer to protect their shores.  Puntland for one is relatively stable as a region


    Pirates are slapped back to reality and in line once in a while by the Islamists who hate them. I'm not too worried about them being untouchable
    Untouchable against what? There is no law in HOA


    Simple, they will become a law unto their own and start abusing others in their own society and you know what that leads to.

    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

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  • Re: Somali pirates get record ransom
     Reply #10 - November 07, 2010, 02:41 PM

    They will not either, don't kid yourself into thinking that even if the ships were to stop dumping shit in their seas they would hang their AKs.  After you start making that amount of money you wouldn't want to go back to eking out a meager existence.

    That is why in the meantime they should invest to form a government or perhaps rent their ports to a naval power that can offer to protect their shores.  Puntland for one is relatively stable as a region

    Simple, they will become a law unto their own and start abusing others in their own society and you know what that leads to.


    I have no idea what may happen but the rewards are great.

    They have no authority to rent any state owned port out. They are not the Government and Somalia is so unstable any port would be hijacked by another rival group in a heartbeat.
    Puntland is in bed with the Pirates. Where do you think many of the hijackings/bases are?

    Eh, This is Somalia. Everyone is already a law unto their own

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  • Re: Somali pirates get record ransom
     Reply #11 - November 07, 2010, 02:50 PM



    They have no authority to rent any state owned port out. They are not the Government and Somalia is so unstable any port would be hijacked by another rival group in a heartbeat.
    Puntland is in bed with the Pirates. Where do you think many of the hijackings/bases are?



    You telling me that all the ports over there are controlled by the pirates?  At the most one can give the pirates amnesty and legalise them by making them coast guards.  If proper funding were to be found to convince them that is.


    Eh, This is Somalia. Everyone is already a law unto their own


    Not so, Puntland has declared autonomy and has a functioning administration, Somaliland is an unrecognised state with a functioning government and elections and everything.  The chaos is present in Mogadishu and other Southern areas.

    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Somali pirates get record ransom
     Reply #12 - November 07, 2010, 02:58 PM

    Of course not just Pirates. Islamists also control some lol

    Puntland is corrupt and benefit from piracy and Somaliland is unrecognised. Both cannot stop piracy


    Many of the hijackings are happening up North not down South. Despite the South being the one in total anarchy.

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  • Re: Somali pirates get record ransom
     Reply #13 - November 07, 2010, 03:48 PM

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-11704306

    Haha, they are ballin'. Good for them Afro



    Agreed.

    fuck you
  • Re: Somali pirates get record ransom
     Reply #14 - November 07, 2010, 04:27 PM


    So they basically hold a bunch of sailors and shipmen, innocent working class men from modest backgrounds hostage upon pain of death with a gun in their face, and that's admirable?


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  • Re: Somali pirates get record ransom
     Reply #15 - November 07, 2010, 05:38 PM

    Yaaargh!

     Cheesy

    Actually, I blame the shipping companies for not providing armed security on ships traversing these waters and international treaties that prevent the sailors from going armed, more than anything else. The Somalis are just tryin to make some bread in a tough fuckin part of the world. I'm not completely absolving them of responsibility, but I find the shipping companies more morally reprehensible than the pirates.

    fuck you
  • Re: Somali pirates get record ransom
     Reply #16 - November 07, 2010, 05:54 PM

    So they basically hold a bunch of sailors and shipmen, innocent working class men from modest backgrounds hostage upon pain of death with a gun in their face, and that's admirable?


    Thank you.

    Agreed.


    But if you are wondering, yes. I support the Pirates personally or rather what the net effect of what they are doing is


    You do realise that these pirates are criminals who use violence and intimidation to extort money from people? They kidnap and hold innocent civilians hostage. I doubt you'd approve if they kidnapped your family and told you that you won't see them again unless you pay them off.
  • Re: Somali pirates get record ransom
     Reply #17 - November 07, 2010, 05:55 PM

     Roll Eyes

    See above.

    fuck you
  • Re: Somali pirates get record ransom
     Reply #18 - November 07, 2010, 05:57 PM

    No one is denying they are criminal but meh, I'm not going to condemn it because sometimes you gotta do what you can /shrug

    Pirates are well aware of the risk, if they get killed during a hijacking. They signed up for it but if they reap the rewards of taking risks and escaping, well done them.

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  • Re: Somali pirates get record ransom
     Reply #19 - November 07, 2010, 06:05 PM

    @Q

    Well, you did also say:

    I find the shipping companies more morally reprehensible than the pirates.


    Which I would take issue with.

    No one is denying they are criminal but meh, I'm not going to condemn it because sometimes you gotta do what you can /shrug

    Pirates are well aware of the risk, if they get killed during a hijacking. They signed up for it but if they reap the rewards of taking risks and escaping, well done them.


    Yes, I seem to recall that a group of pirates had one or two of their men killed, and then they vowed to take revenge, as if they'd been wronged by the people who were only protecting their lives and property.
  • Re: Somali pirates get record ransom
     Reply #20 - November 07, 2010, 06:06 PM

    Yes, I seem to recall that a group of pirates had one or two of their men killed, and then they vowed to take revenge, as if they'd been wronged by the people who were only protecting their lives and property.


    Oh well, then if they get killed. They sought it out and if they kill the people, the opposition also has guns. Pull the trigger quicker
    Also note Pirates don't have some sort of organisational banner where they vote on a rules of conduct. They are all mostly Independent of one another

    I'm not sure what you want me to say.

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  • Re: Somali pirates get record ransom
     Reply #21 - November 07, 2010, 06:18 PM

    @Q

    Well, you did also say:

    Which I would take issue with.


    So you think a bunch of people risking their necks to make some money in one of the poorest, most malnourished, most fucked-up countries in the world (yes, through armed robbery/kidnapping) are to be blamed more than billionaire magnates who won't shell out the cash to make sure their employees are safe or ruling-class politicians depriving the common worker of their natural right to armed self-defense? If that's your ethical analysis that's fine, but it ain't mine.

    Quote
    Yes, I seem to recall that a group of pirates had one or two of their men killed, and then they vowed to take revenge, as if they'd been wronged by the people who were only protecting their lives and property.


    That Maersk ship was property of the US Navy?

    fuck you
  • Re: Somali pirates get record ransom
     Reply #22 - November 07, 2010, 06:39 PM

    Oh well, then if they get killed. They sought it out and if they kill the people, the opposition also has guns. Pull the trigger quicker
    Also note Pirates don't have some sort of organisational banner where they vote on a rules of conduct. They are all mostly Independent of one another

    I'm not sure what you want me to say.


    Nothing really. I just wanted to say that I didn't agree with (what I thought to be) your approval of the Somali pirates. That's all.

    So you think a bunch of people risking their necks to make some money in one of the poorest, most malnourished, most fucked-up countries in the world (yes, through armed robbery/kidnapping) are to be blamed more than billionaire magnates who won't shell out the cash to make sure their employees are safe or ruling-class politicians depriving the common worker of their natural right to armed self-defense? If that's your ethical analysis that's fine, but it ain't mine.


    I thought you said that international law prevented the arming of civilian ships?

    I blame the shipping companies for not providing armed security on ships traversing these waters and international treaties that prevent the sailors from going armed, more than anything else.


    It seems to me that if the companies aren't able to provide armed support on account of these laws, then it's not entirely their fault. But in any case, yes, I still think the pirates are worse than the companies, as they are the aggressors, in addition to the fact that it's their doing that means that the people on these ships are in danger in the first place.

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    That Maersk ship was property of the US Navy?


    I'm not familiar with the specifics. It was a while ago I read about it. But in any case, those are peripheral details. The pirates attacked those ships, and the people on them defended themselves and the ship.

    Surely someone like you, who believes in self-defense, wouldn't take issue with other people merely for defending themselves and the property of others from violent, marauding bandits? Granted, these people may live difficult lives in a broke, ramshackle country, but I personally don't think that justifies, in any way, what these people do.
  • Re: Somali pirates get record ransom
     Reply #23 - November 07, 2010, 10:26 PM


    What about the shipmen living hand to mouth, with families in Istanbul, Mumbai, Aden, Lagos and Manila who they don't see for months on end? Why do they get marginalised in your valourising narrative when they are held, kidnapped, upon pain of death with guns in their faces, probably chained up in a below the deck room whilst these pirates wait to barter them? What happens to their families when the breadwinner is tossed overboard because some son-of-a-bitch shoots him dead whilst ballin' with a machete and machine gun? I guess as long as its not me or you or your family member, what the hell.




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  • Re: Somali pirates get record ransom
     Reply #24 - November 07, 2010, 10:46 PM

    What about the shipmen living hand to mouth, with families in Istanbul, Mumbai, Aden, Lagos and Manila who they don't see for months on end? Why do they get marginalised in your valourising narrative when they are held, kidnapped, upon pain of death with guns in their faces, probably chained up in a below the deck room whilst these pirates wait to barter them? What happens to their families when the breadwinner is tossed overboard because some son-of-a-bitch shoots him dead whilst ballin' with a machete and machine gun? I guess as long as its not me or you or your family member, what the hell.



    +1
  • Re: Somali pirates get record ransom
     Reply #25 - November 07, 2010, 11:00 PM

    I'm stunned by the support of terrorism on this thread. 

    Next should we congratulate Bin Laden too, because 911 was a reaction to Western interference in Islamic lands?

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  • Re: Somali pirates get record ransom
     Reply #26 - November 07, 2010, 11:32 PM

     Cheesy Afro It's as if people are playing video games on their computer!



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  • Re: Somali pirates get record ransom
     Reply #27 - November 07, 2010, 11:37 PM

    Quote
    Next should we congratulate Bin Laden too, because 911 was a reaction to Western interference in Islamic lands?

    I personally wouldn't go as far as congratulations but there's a difference between a desperate reaction to foreigners looting $300 million a year of your country's greatest resource and an ideological religious fascist wanting to globally expand jihad with the aim to restore the sharia.

    When foreign ships come in, fish in the waters where the Somalians used to make their living, we shouldn't be surprised when they turn to other forms of income.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-you-are-being-lied-to-about-pirates-1225817.html

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  • Re: Somali pirates get record ransom
     Reply #28 - November 08, 2010, 12:12 AM


    When foreign ships come in, fish in the waters where the Somalians used to make their living, we shouldn't be surprised when they turn to other forms of income.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-you-are-being-lied-to-about-pirates-1225817.html

    Agreed, but that still dont make it right

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  • Re: Somali pirates get record ransom
     Reply #29 - November 08, 2010, 12:58 AM

    I guess no side is right in this fucked scenario.  On top of it, as ras111 said, the pirates won't be going back to being simple fishermen considering how much ransomed ships gets them compared to their own fishing boats.

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