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  • Question: How many people who define themselves as "Muslims" are fully conversant with the "Islamist" ideology and at least tacitly support it?
  • <10% - 12 (40%)
  • 10-20% - 3 (10%)
  • 20-30% - 0 (0%)
  • 30-40% - 2 (6.7%)
  • 40-50% - 1 (3.3%)
  • 50-60% - 1 (3.3%)
  • 60-70% - 2 (6.7%)
  • 70-80% - 1 (3.3%)
  • 80-90% - 1 (3.3%)
  • >90% - 1 (3.3%)
  • Fuck DH - 6 (20%)
  • Total Voters: 30

 Topic: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.

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  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #30 - November 18, 2010, 11:17 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on November 18, 2010, 11:15 PM
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  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #31 - November 18, 2010, 11:24 PM
    Quote from: XxThaminaxX on November 18, 2010, 11:16 PM
    Pashtuns. That's who. The current war is just a continuation of the civil war. You'll find that very little pashtuns are part of the afghan security forces despite being the majority in the country!


    Sure, the Pashtuns would just happily take over and the country would go on to smooth sailing from then on.  Democracy, plurality, equality and the rest would naturally fall into place.  With the treacherous, filthy infidel out of Muslim lands, the Taliban would no longer pose any problems...   Afro

  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #32 - November 18, 2010, 11:25 PM
    40-50% here in Pakistan..
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  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #33 - November 18, 2010, 11:30 PM
    Quote from: Telomeme on November 18, 2010, 11:17 PM
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  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #34 - November 19, 2010, 12:15 AM
    Quote from: XxThaminaxX on November 18, 2010, 11:16 PM
    Pashtuns. That's who. The current war is just a continuation of the civil war.


    Which is stoked by the Pakistani military and intelligence service.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: Proportion
     Reply #35 - November 19, 2010, 01:39 AM
    [quote author=Telomeme link=topic=13264.msg368724#msg368724 date=1290122647]Sure, the Pashtuns would just happily take over and the country would go on to smooth sailing from then on. Democracy, plurality, equality and the rest would naturally fall into place. With the treacherous, filthy infidel out of Muslim lands, the Taliban would no longer pose any problems... O0[/quote]I find it rather amusing that you mention democracy whilst ignoring the poll about what the MAJORITY of afghans WANT.
  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #36 - November 19, 2010, 02:37 AM
    It's not uncommon for the majority of citizens in a given country to be unhappy with their current government.  This is especially so under miserable economic conditions.  Does this mean that citizens of these countries should oust all the politicians?  No, in a democracy, you vote in or out a government.  In many cases, the choices aren't great, and a change is not going to be for the better.

    Quote from: Reuters
    71 percent believed the Taliban would return to areas cleared of insurgents if NATO departed leaving the Afghan government in charge.

     

    So 71 percent of the Afghans (the majority of which are Pashtuns) think the Taliban would return if NATO left.  Do you think this is what they want?

  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #37 - November 19, 2010, 09:52 AM
    Quote
    65 percent believe the Taliban and its leader, Mullah Mohammad Omar, should join the Afghan government.



    What do you think that means? But hey you give afghans "Democracy, plurality, equality" by militarily supporting a dictator who pardons rapists (look it up) just don't be surprised if this turns into another Vietnam  Afro
  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #38 - November 19, 2010, 10:15 AM
    Fully conversant? <10%
    Would support Islamism and a Shariah state if they were informed of all the details? 30%
  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #39 - November 19, 2010, 01:37 PM
    80-90% was my answer
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  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #40 - November 19, 2010, 02:05 PM
    Quote from: XxThaminaxX on November 19, 2010, 09:52 AM

    What do you think that means?


    That means they want some kind of shared government since it seems to be the only practical solution under the circumstances.  I don't think that means they want to go back to a brutal 6th century theocracy where women are covered in bags and confined to their homes.  Is that what you'd want?  I'll wager that if you and your brainwashed bf lived there, he'd be very satisfied with that kind arrangement.


  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #41 - November 19, 2010, 02:22 PM
    Well done starting this poll Spinoza. I would have had to include a "Fuck You" option which would have drawn most of the responses of those here who don't like to think about such questions.
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  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #42 - November 19, 2010, 02:29 PM
    Does "tacit support" in the question also imply not caring about it or refusing to admit it exists?
    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #43 - November 19, 2010, 02:38 PM
    Quote from: DH on November 19, 2010, 02:22 PM
    Well done starting this poll Spinoza. I would have had to include a "Fuck You" option which would have drawn most of the responses of those here who don't like to think about such questions.


    He did include it, a 'Fuck DH' option which became so popular it skewered the results rendering the poll irrelevant and useless. It was removed in order that the poll could be administered correctly.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #44 - November 19, 2010, 04:46 PM
    So those who voted <10%. How do you square this with polls like THIS ONE?
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  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #45 - November 19, 2010, 05:05 PM
    Quote from: DH on November 19, 2010, 04:46 PM
    So those who voted <10%. How do you square this with polls like THIS ONE?

    They want Shariah Law, but dont know what it entails. - the question in the article would have been interpreted as "Do you think UK would be a better society with more Islam". 

    Its a conscience vote that I doubt they would put into practice if they knew what they were signing for e.g. murdering apostates & gays. 

    Reminds me a bit like how wrong the opinion polls were when the Tories came in the time before last - they were to ashamed to admit what they really wanted, but when it came to the crunch they voted differently.

    You do realise there is no universal Shariah Law, and it and a lot of it will depends on how the respective Cleric or individual interprets the sciptures, dont you?
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  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #46 - November 19, 2010, 07:38 PM
    There's many interpretations of shariah law DH. From the 'version' that existed in Al-Andalus (easily the most secular of its time!) to the harsh puritanical idiocy of the mullahs in Afghanistan.
  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #47 - November 19, 2010, 07:47 PM
    Quote from: XxThaminaxX on November 19, 2010, 07:38 PM
    There's many interpretations of shariah law

    True.  This is another thing that makes this poll/question so complex.  When we say 'Islamist', what do we mean?...
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  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #48 - November 19, 2010, 07:50 PM
    Quote from: ateapotist on November 19, 2010, 07:47 PM
    True.  This is another thing that makes this poll/question so complex.  When we say 'Islamist', what do we mean?...

    Yep, I asked that earlier on, and still waiting for PS's reply  whistling2
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  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #49 - November 19, 2010, 07:54 PM
    Quote from: XxThaminaxX on November 19, 2010, 07:38 PM
    There's many interpretations of shariah law DH. From the 'version' that existed in Al-Andalus (easily the most secular of its time!) to the harsh puritanical idiocy of the mullahs in Afghanistan.


    Sharia is the assertion that human societies can and should be organised according the precepts of divine law. Immutable divine law. Its insidious no matter what form it takes. It can never be 'secular', unless like many Islamic impulses, 'secularism' has to be co-opted by Islam.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #50 - November 19, 2010, 07:57 PM
    Quote from: ateapotist on November 19, 2010, 07:47 PM
    True.  This is another thing that makes this poll/question so complex.  When we say 'Islamist', what do we mean?...


    Exactly. There are 'islamists' that accept democracy (muslim brotherhood) those who reject it but don't use violence (hizb ut tahrir) those who are sort of patriotic (hezbollah) and there are individuals like my bf who don't agree or disagree with any such groups entirely.
  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #51 - November 19, 2010, 07:59 PM
    Quote
    There are 'islamists' that accept democracy (muslim brotherhood)


    They only accept democracy in the sense that they think it should be used to gain power and then dispose of it and impose Islamic rule. Its basically just a different time frame for cutting your throat.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
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  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #52 - November 19, 2010, 08:07 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on November 19, 2010, 07:50 PM
    Yep, I asked that earlier on, and still waiting for PS's reply  whistling2


    Fucked if I know. Am just quoting DH's question. What do you think he means?
  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #53 - November 19, 2010, 08:09 PM
    Quote from: billy on November 19, 2010, 07:59 PM
    They only accept democracy in the sense that they think it should be used to gain power and then dispose of it and impose Islamic rule. Its basically just a different time frame for cutting your throat.


    I think we should be glad they've stuck at it for so long despite seeing what has happened in algeria and palestine. But recently the jordanian branch withdrew from the elections there. Lets hope they remain peaceful in their 'struggle'
  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #54 - November 19, 2010, 08:13 PM
    Yeah, the 'struggle' to impose Islam as an all encompassing system for human governance and theological dictatorship over societies, as a manifestation of the very meaning and purpose of Islam. Lets hope they stay peaceful.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #55 - November 19, 2010, 08:30 PM
    Quote from: XxThaminaxX on November 19, 2010, 07:57 PM
    Exactly. There are 'islamists' that accept democracy (muslim brotherhood) those who reject it but don't use violence (hizb ut tahrir) those who are sort of patriotic (hezbollah) and there are individuals like my bf who don't agree or disagree with any such groups entirely.

    It's interesting to watch the evolution of Islamist groups.  It's like different species with different strategies of survival and propagation.
    • Groups like the Muslim Brotherhood use democracy to gain power, but there's no doubt that they are Islamists and want to apply divine law when they get into power.  This group has survived for a considerable period of time because they are not too reckless/radical/violent, so they are tolerated to an extent.  This is their strategy for survival.  They are very patient and far-sighted.  They are also very secretive and disciplined.  And it would be fair to say they consciously practice Taqiyyah.
    • Groups like Hiz-ut-Tahrir are not very secretive and try to recruit from university campuses etc very actively.  They also do not use violence as a means to gain power.  This group has been more successful than the Muslim Brotherhood at gaining followers but they have not achieved much (else) so far.
    • Groups like Al-Qaeda use violence and terror to rally the Muslims and gain followers, and perhaps instigate political change.  But they don't tend to last very long.  Their strategy for survival is ... well... difficult. lol   They do, however, rattle the rulers in both Muslim countries and the West while they last.
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  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #56 - November 19, 2010, 09:55 PM
    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on November 19, 2010, 08:07 PM
    Fucked if I know. Am just quoting DH's question. What do you think he means?

    Ah I see, thought it was your idea.. Dunno what he means either, but I can guess Wink
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  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #57 - November 20, 2010, 10:22 AM
    Quote from: XxThaminaxX
    There's many interpretations of shariah law DH. From the 'version' that existed in Al-Andalus (easily the most secular of its time!)


    That was the "secular" sharia that applied The Death Penalty to "Insulters" of Islam and had women dressing like this:


    Quote
    to the harsh puritanical idiocy of the mullahs in Afghanistan.


    I fail to see much difference in the puritanism of a sharia that made women dress as in the Old Spanish carving above and this:
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  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #58 - November 20, 2010, 10:26 AM
    Do you count yourself as a "moderate" Muslims BTW XxThaminaxX?
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  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #59 - November 20, 2010, 11:18 AM
    Wesley Snipes ordered to begin three year jail term.

    Probably one of the more famous murtads.
    Wonder which groups he will hang out with in prison.
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