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  • Re: The Price of Bread
     Reply #90 - November 30, 2010, 08:01 PM

    I wasn't impressed with the God Delusion but I loved the Greatest Show on Earth  001_wub

    But I wanna read a book on atheism that knocks my socks off, that has arguments so beautiful it would make a babe cry. Or a grown man-baby.

     ill put in a word for god is not great. The audio book version. You have heard a lot of the arguments before, but the phrasing, analogies, and examples made me pause and think wow. Maybe not knock your socks off but pretty good.

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: The Price of Bread
     Reply #91 - November 30, 2010, 08:05 PM

    He had a hissyfit over getting a 1 day restriction and left the forum.


    Why'd he get a restriction?
  • Re: The Price of Bread
     Reply #92 - November 30, 2010, 08:08 PM

    ill put in a word for god is not great. The audio book version. You have heard a lot of the arguments before, but the phrasing, analogies, and examples made me pause and think wow. Maybe not knock your socks off but pretty good.

    +1 its really witty too

    My Book     news002       
    My Blog  pccoffee
  • Re: The Price of Bread
     Reply #93 - November 30, 2010, 08:19 PM

    Not being a total dick for no good reason = being patronizing?


    Am I being a dick because I said her views were obviously contrived and rehearsed? Or, is it the satire and comparison I made of her former and current beliefs?

    If the satire went to far, I apologize for that. But  I will not apologize for stating my opinion.

    You're on ignore for that, you ignorant MCP.

    He's just shown himself for the ignorant mutt he is.



    I got a bigger chuckle out of this than when I wrote the reply. The meaning of ignorance and ignorant behaviour aside, the way you blissfully bury your head in the sand when faced satire that forces you to think about your beliefs is actually the exact thing those damned Mozlems do.

    I take it as a compliment, that my words can elicit such a emotional response out of people, especially the same people that seemingly claim to value logical and rational thought.  
  • Re: The Price of Bread
     Reply #94 - November 30, 2010, 08:22 PM

    Abu Yunus2.0 is a better release than Abu Yunus1. I can't wait till the next version; strip-clubs, rioting and cocaine.


     Cheesy

    ...
  • Re: The Price of Bread
     Reply #95 - November 30, 2010, 08:30 PM

    I suppose you would rather I just patronize her. Like Her mother, or her new atheist friends.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RuSDQ8J6kw



    Thanks for that vid - I hadn't seen it before.

    Kim's mum is so sweet and it's clear they love each other very much. I found that video very touching and heart-warming. I wish all parents could allow their children such a warm, loving and safe environment in which to make their mistakes, rebel and mess-up - all of which is part of growing up and being a healthy individual.

    Now what was it you were trying to say?
  • Re: The Price of Bread
     Reply #96 - November 30, 2010, 08:46 PM

    Thanks for that vid - I hadn't seen it before.

    Kim's mum is so sweet and it's clear they love each other very much. I found that video very touching and heart-warming. I wish all parents could allow their children such a warm, loving and safe environment in which to make their mistakes, rebel and mess-up - all of which is part of growing up and being a healthy individual.

    Now what was it you were trying to say?


    I actually found the foreshadowing in that video to be quite eerie. I'm merely saying I'm not her parent, I'm not going to simply reword her views and spout them back just to make her feel better (her mother has to do it through clentched teeth.)

    It's not my job to coddle her, and her ordeal has no business to even be on the made public like this. She is the posterchild for the needs of more stringent parental control on the internet. Well, not quite but she is almost there.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8WasWF9mS8&feature=related

    And all this is giving her the benefeit of the doubt and not just dissmissing her whole "journey" a merely a cause celebre.
  • Re: The Price of Bread
     Reply #97 - November 30, 2010, 09:16 PM

    Does anyone else feel a bit uncomfortable seeing this guy wank his ego?

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: The Price of Bread
     Reply #98 - November 30, 2010, 09:19 PM

    Does anyone else feel a bit uncomfortable seeing this guy wank his ego?


    Is that what he's doing - coz he's totally lost me.
  • Re: The Price of Bread
     Reply #99 - December 01, 2010, 01:25 AM

    Who is that 'kimdonesia'? Name sounds familiar (think I've seen a member here with that nick). That vid is cringeworthy...  whistling2
  • Re: The Price of Bread
     Reply #100 - December 01, 2010, 01:36 AM

    Is that what he's doing - coz he's totally lost me.


    I only seek to warn you, Hassan, that by protecting "her" you are only enabling her to use the internet as a means to garner attention. Which as you will see, can have disaterous and dangerous results for any child who isn't of legal voting age or drinking age. Especially when the parents are not aware of what their underage daughter is up to online.

    In our next istallment of Masterpiece Theatre. you will see how (like the father) you play the role of protecter and enabler, and how treating these minors with kid gloves does them no favours. Let me ask you Hassan, will consequences ever be the same?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obPdXTq0XEI
  • Re: The Price of Bread
     Reply #101 - December 01, 2010, 01:43 AM

    true that *thinks Houris* .

    don't forget the pearly boys too LOL

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: The Price of Bread
     Reply #102 - December 01, 2010, 01:46 AM

    Haha Jessi Slaughter saga.

    Now that is some amusing stuff. I like the dubstep remix personally. She is a warning to never allow web cam into your kids bedroom.

    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: The Price of Bread
     Reply #103 - December 01, 2010, 01:59 AM

    I am interested in books on atheism, as well.  If anyone has any good suggestions could
    you please email them to me?  I plan on getting "The God Delusion" now, and the audio book
    idea is awesome.

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: The Price of Bread
     Reply #104 - December 01, 2010, 02:00 AM

    On the contrary.

    This place offers support and community/social network online and IRL. Promise of success can be found in the fact that we are not puppets of a sadistic demiurge - it's up to us to make a difference and create something meaningful. And that's a lot more than most religions could ever hope to offer.

     +1~  very well said!

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: The Price of Bread
     Reply #105 - December 01, 2010, 08:13 AM

    ill put in a word for god is not great. The audio book version. You have heard a lot of the arguments before, but the phrasing, analogies, and examples made me pause and think wow. Maybe not knock your socks off but pretty good.


    Yeah heard it, it was quite good on the religious front but the questions about God, not as much I don't think.
  • Re: The Price of Bread
     Reply #106 - December 01, 2010, 11:03 AM

    Yeah heard it, it was quite good on the religious front but the questions about God, not as much I don't think.


    KimDonesia is a girl who became Muslim and was quite the Youtube celeb - then left Islam causing a storm of verbal abuse from her former 'brothers' and sisters'.

    Kim is also a member here and someone I consider a friend and certainly doesn't deserve the sort of nasty comments Pauk made.

    btw the last two vids Pauk posted are not of Kim - but I think Pauk is trying to somehow to justify his comments about Kim by posting them.
  • Re: The Price of Bread
     Reply #107 - December 04, 2010, 09:48 AM

    Thanks for this insight into Pauk's videos. I was stumped as to why the two Jessica Slaughter video's were posted in connection to KimDonesia. Yeh, totally different situation.

    I was actually watching this thread because of this post:

    I also don't like labels and groups and definitely am not saying we need to create some sort of alternative belief system.

    I'm saying we need to start providing RL amenities for those who leave religion. Many suffer isolation, loneliness, depression, fear, anxiety loss of friendship, family etc...

    Meeting on the internet is fine, but people need support in RL - in their community, places to meet-up (even if it's a local pub), people to talk to who understand and a way to come to terms with the meaning of their lives without religion.

    Leaving religion can be like coming off very hard drugs - arguably worse!

    At the moment there is very little RL help. We need to start thinking of ways to move beyond an internet forum and into the real world - as there are many out there who will need that if they are ever going to let go of their comfort blanket.


    Seems, however like the thread is going a very different direction.

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: The Price of Bread
     Reply #108 - December 04, 2010, 07:09 PM

    Actually, they are the exact same thing.

    They are both underage girls who went on their respective webcams and acted out in an attention seeking manner.

    Both used sexually suggestive behaviour, in a not so subtle manner.

    Both contacted strangers they met online and arranged sexual liaisons.

    Both girls suffered negative consequences for their actions and received death threats.

    The parents supported and enabled both children at all points.

    One could say that Kim's behaviour ws much more dangerous. They both sought attention, but Kim did not care whether it was good or bad attention. In fact, her "conversion" afforded her the best of both worlds, positive attention from Mozlems (males) and negative attention from her community. Her subsequent "deconversion" did the same.

    Nobody deserves to be threatened for voicing their beliefs, but I think we all know that some of these Mozlem dogs have no brain. Kim obviously had to know that her comments would send the bearded monkeys into a murderous rage. Kim is not that stupid or naive, she knew what she was doing and she loved every second of it.

    It's like a child throwing rocks at a hornets nest, except Kim knows exactly what the hornets will do, but she is willing to have herself stung just to get the attention. For those who don't know what I'm talking about (and those who are pretending they don't) please go to 5:55 of this vid.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw5ch2qXmGQ
  • Re: The Price of Bread
     Reply #109 - December 04, 2010, 07:12 PM

    What's your obsession with her?
  • Re: The Price of Bread
     Reply #110 - December 04, 2010, 07:19 PM

    I think she is the perfect case study for why young women enter Islam. If she were stil la Mozlem, we all would be dissecting her situation right now.

    The Mozlems obviously "market" their religion to young women in a way their own "prophet" never did, it almost seems as though these "campaigns" were cooked up in a Don Draper-esque boardroom.
  • Re: The Price of Bread
     Reply #111 - December 04, 2010, 07:23 PM

    I think she is the perfect case study for why young women enter Islam. If she were stil la Mozlem, we all would be dissecting her situation right now.


    To expand on this, it is actually quite eerie the way that all these emotions are played out in her videos. I, through clouds of Kush smoke, wonder if some "Atheists" simply set this all up using information from surveys they conducted on converts. She really did play those Mozlems for the buffoons they are, before she pulled the rug out from underneath them.

    But then I come to my senses, and remember people as vacuous as Kim actually exist.
  • Re: The Price of Bread
     Reply #112 - December 04, 2010, 08:03 PM

    Must be a nice view from that High Horse of yours. I hope you don't break your neck from the fall.
  • Re: The Price of Bread
     Reply #113 - December 04, 2010, 08:07 PM

    ^^ I got a hearty chuckle from this. It reminds me of a Bearded Monkey supplicating to his "God" for my demise.
  • Re: The Price of Bread
     Reply #114 - December 04, 2010, 08:18 PM

    ^^ I got a hearty chuckle from this. It reminds me of a Bearded Monkey supplicating to his "God" for my demise.


  • Re: The Price of Bread
     Reply #115 - December 04, 2010, 08:25 PM

    ^^ I don't really garner how I would be "butthurt" since you were the one wishing to your God(?) that I would "break my neck". I guess I should be as you say, butthurt.

    But it is proof positive that you can shave a monkey, take him out of his jungle, give him a refined accent that belies the guttural speech of his upbringing, have him shed the primal beliefs and code of conduct he once held, and that mokey will still be just that, a monkey.

    I welcome your next "meme" as a response.
  • Re: The Price of Bread
     Reply #116 - December 04, 2010, 08:28 PM

    Actually I'm an atheist so I'm not really sure who this "God" is but if you meet him tell him I said hi and that I'm still waiting for Jessica Alba to call me.

  • Re: The Price of Bread
     Reply #117 - December 04, 2010, 08:37 PM

    Actually I'm an atheist so I'm not really sure who this "God" is but if you meet him tell him I said hi and that I'm still waiting for Jessica Alba to call me.




    Ah, so my paralysis and or death was just a wish you threw out into the universe. I guess at times like this people like you wish there was a "God" to mete out punishment on arrogant people like me, because they lack the wit to do it themselves.

    You think in the exact same manner as the Mozlems. I don't care what label you apply to yourself.
  • Re: The Price of Bread
     Reply #118 - December 04, 2010, 08:45 PM

    Ah, so my paralysis and or death was just a wish you threw out into the universe. I guess at times like this people like you wish there was a "God" to mete out punishment on arrogant people like me, because they lack the wit to do it themselves.

    You think in the exact same manner as the Mozlems. I don't care what label you apply to yourself.


    Pauk, I wish I still had insomnia. You would make an excellent substitute for my Norah Jones album. She always managed to put me to sleep.
  • Re: The Price of Bread
     Reply #119 - December 05, 2010, 06:39 AM

    Actually, they are the exact same thing.

    They are both underage girls who went on their respective webcams and acted out in an attention seeking manner.

    Both used sexually suggestive behaviour, in a not so subtle manner.

    Both contacted strangers they met online and arranged sexual liaisons.

    Both girls suffered negative consequences for their actions and received death threats.

    The parents supported and enabled both children at all points.

    One could say that Kim's behaviour ws much more dangerous. They both sought attention, but Kim did not care whether it was good or bad attention. In fact, her "conversion" afforded her the best of both worlds, positive attention from Mozlems (males) and negative attention from her community. Her subsequent "deconversion" did the same.

    Nobody deserves to be threatened for voicing their beliefs, but I think we all know that some of these Mozlem dogs have no brain. Kim obviously had to know that her comments would send the bearded monkeys into a murderous rage. Kim is not that stupid or naive, she knew what she was doing and she loved every second of it.

    It's like a child throwing rocks at a hornets nest, except Kim knows exactly what the hornets will do, but she is willing to have herself stung just to get the attention. For those who don't know what I'm talking about (and those who are pretending they don't) please go to 5:55 of this vid.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw5ch2qXmGQ



    @ Pauk

    I don't generally like to start out my replies by saying, "Are you out of your mind?" That just doesn't open up the lines of communication, however in all honesty I'm not real sure about the possibilities of convesation with you. I will however give it a try.

    I gave special note to 5:55 on the video you posted. I saw a teenage girl wearing a hijab talking about Vegemite. I noted nothing of extreme oddness about this nor did I find it be an activity that should have drawn any adverse attention to this girl. If you did please seek professional medical help as soon as possible.

    I am not a big follower of KimDonesia, by the same note her videos are not unknown to me. I lived in Bogor, Indonesia as a teenager (many years ago) and that is where I was first exposed to Islam. On that note I am somewhat interested in Kim's account of her journey into and out of Islam.

    You have said some interesting things about her, as well as her parents. These things are as follows:

    -Both used sexually suggestive behaviour, in a not so subtle manner.
    -Both contacted strangers they met online and arranged sexual liaisons.
    -The parents supported and enabled both children at all points

    Could you be more specific as to exactly which part of the vidoe you posted supports your claims against KimDonesia and/or her parents?

    Please try to remember that just because you repete something multiple times that alone does not make it true.

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
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