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Reply #120 - January 29, 2011, 08:20 PM

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Reply #121 - January 29, 2011, 08:24 PM

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Reply #122 - January 29, 2011, 08:27 PM

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@Teapot...

And how can I forget the imperishable Ataturk. Observing that a thousand years of towelhead rule had brought the Turks to the brink of disaster, he grabbed the nation by the collar, dealt a knee to its groin, and told them the party was over. ...

you sexless sexual scriptural expert of cemb, YOUR Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, The Enemy of Islam was lucky that during those times people were nominal Muslims not reading quran/hadith but just praying whenever they like. there was no oilpetrodollars to fund fundies of Brothelhood or Osama uncles..

read my good friend Mohd Elfie Nieshaem Juferi from Indonesia what he says on Mustafa Kemal Atatürk http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2005/mustafa-kemal-ataturk-the-enemy-of-islam/

I used to go and beat them up in their bismikaallahuma.org., that was 6years back..

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Reply #123 - January 29, 2011, 08:32 PM

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Reply #124 - January 29, 2011, 08:39 PM

"That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
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Reply #125 - January 29, 2011, 08:46 PM

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Another interesting post there, but I feel you are still being a devil's advocate and a silly boi.

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Re: The Quran As Porn
Reply #126 - January 29, 2011, 09:40 PM

LOL at dick-tators, United State of Amnesia, a Plato vs zookeeper and pretty much everything else. LOL in a good/made-my-day kind of way, of course

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Re: The Quran As Porn
Reply #127 - January 29, 2011, 10:05 PM

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Sorry MAB, but I am not a desi, I am a weeaboo. And I am not fat either. As far as politics go I think that even if its true that in democracy the elite guides the people it has to do that in such a way that the majority recognizes itself in the message. The majority needs to be able to recognize their own strivings for justice in the policies of a state. But the majority still has to be trusted - this is what it means to have an actual democracy. If this is dropped we cannot talk about democracy any more.
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Reply #128 - January 29, 2011, 10:08 PM

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Reply #129 - January 29, 2011, 10:11 PM

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Reply #130 - January 29, 2011, 10:19 PM

@MAB:

I'm still learning, my sugarplum -- from none other than the Great Thinker and Philosopher, known as Mount A Bison.

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When a tyrant throws his weight about he should be railroaded out of town. It's not a perfect system. God knows that a great many dick-tators have sullied the office. But executed properly, judiciously and humanely, it is the boon of the gods.

Hang on a sec... If the people are armed with guns etc, and you expect them to get rid of any tyrant who throws his weight, what is to prevent them from getting rid of a good leader who brings about progressive measures, which according to your analysis, the people will not like, because they are too radical for the times?

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Re: The Quran As Porn
Reply #131 - January 29, 2011, 10:45 PM

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You don't know what you're talking about. Did you read my timeless wisdom to the daft idealist Teapot?

Not only did I read it; I savoured it. And due to the fact that I read you through a filter I found it quite interesting too. I must admit though that I am partial when it comes to Ataturk though. I have a lot of respect for the man, he was one of the greatest politicians of the 20th century. But it was a different time back then.

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Tell me what in my post you disagree with. Just one. If you trip me up, I will let you put your hand down my pants without any gloves.

I think that the majority sometimes has more vision and is politically more mature than the political elite.
I'll give you an example - the Irish referendum on the Lisbon treaty.
Some members of the political elite claimed that unification of Europe is too important to be left to ordinary people; after all the elite sees further in the future and is more ambitious and so forth. If the majority was to be followed ambitious vision of unified Europe could never have been achieved.
The first time around the Irish said no to the treaty but the question is whether this was simply a display of proverbial parochial stupidity of average voter. What if it was simply a resistance against the trend of arrogant non-democratic 'democracy' where people aren't really given a choice in the true sense but a meta-choice. System where people were simply required to ratify a result of an expertise provided by 'nobility'.
What if it was a resistance against the inability of the elite to translate the longings of the people into a progressive political vision? What if the voters simply detected a void of a true political vision underneath all the clap-trap of the elite? What if this was a resistance to the refusal of democracy by the elite? In that case the 'no' can be read not as a parochial anti-Europeanism but rather as a demand for more Europe, a demand for a proper European dream that we really, desperately need.
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Re: The Quran As Porn
Reply #132 - January 30, 2011, 01:20 PM

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Btw, DH indeed had some points, the least flexible of them - Geography.

Asia Minor
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Asia Minor is a peninsula. It is also called Anatolia. A large part of the Asian part of Turkey is Asia Minor.

Turkey is an Asian country with a little remnant of their European conquests they retained after the Ottoman jihad was throw back.

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Re: The Quran As Porn
Reply #133 - January 30, 2011, 01:32 PM

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Now, I asked you to name a single Shariah policy the AKP has instituted and you cite the repeal of the hijab ban, a policy in keeping with every other free society.

It is also a policy in keeping with every other sharia society.

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Canada has no hijab ban. America has no hijab ban. Britain has no hijab ban.

Neither has Saudi Arabia or Iran.

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By your logic all these democracies are pro-Shariah.

By YOUR logic neither Iran nor Saudi Arabia are pro-sharia.

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You're fond of the word revanchist I note, but I wonder if your command of English might not be as defective as your leaking breast implant for brains.

I am perfectly confident that the dictionary definition of "revanchist" perfectly corresponds with my application of the term to Erdogan and co. What is your understanding of the word's meaning?

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Oops, I've done it again.

What? Inadvertantly deposited something into your underwear from the same orifice you speak out of?

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Forgive me. But against which country does the AKP have irredentist claims?

Turkey for a start, which it hopes to reclaim for Islam and sharia. The former Ottoman-occupied lands of Europe. The whole of Europe. The whole world.

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The longer this conversation goes on, the more I'm inclined to believe that your opposition to Turkey's admission to the EU springs from the fact that in a former life you were anally raped by a hairy Turk. Tell me it's not so.

Maybe it happened. Who knows? Perhaps I'll consult a hypnotist to find out.

Anyway, what do you think would be the consequences of denying Turkey entry into the EU?

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Reply #134 - January 30, 2011, 05:19 PM

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Reply #135 - January 30, 2011, 05:23 PM

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Reply #136 - January 30, 2011, 05:52 PM

@MAB:

LOL!!

Nice dodge about the Irish referendum issue. You crack me up in every post.

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Reply #137 - January 30, 2011, 06:21 PM

I think that MAB is trying to avoid me putting my hand down his pants. No homo.
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Reply #138 - January 30, 2011, 06:28 PM

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Reply #139 - January 30, 2011, 06:46 PM

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Reply #140 - January 30, 2011, 08:40 PM

KSA is a bit of an anomaly don't you think? Democracies usually evolve organically and KSA is in many aspects a medieval society.
What worries me are developments akin to the issues I presented apropos the Irish referendum. The tendency of going towards a fake democracy where everything is decided by experts and voters are simply there to make the 'right' choice. The reason behind this is that for a global capitalist system to function smoothly the important issues have to be decided by 'experts', democracy has to be curtailed. The key questions - globalization, trade agreements, monetary policies - nobody votes about that. Wouldn't it be better then to drop the whole thing and to instil a 'benevolent' dictator-expert instead?

What if instead of that a completely new framework is to be developed, one that does not fetishize capitalism, that doesn't turn everything into a commodity and does not assert that liberal democracy is the best system (or the least bad one) we could ever hope to achieve?
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Reply #141 - January 30, 2011, 09:21 PM

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Re: The Quran As Porn
Reply #142 - January 30, 2011, 09:34 PM

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The perks of a benign strongman would be outweighed by his tyranny in a first world setting, but in much of the developing world sunk in clerical gangsterism democracy would serve only to legitimate the stampeding ignorance of the mob. In a country pullulating with such imbecilities as witchcraft and magic, how wise is it to give people the vote?

Its a necessary precursor to people growing up enough to dump nonsense like witchcraft and magic. Sure, they will fuck their societies up royally when given their first taste of freedom, just as every baby falls over when first given free reign to try and walk on their own. But humans are learning animals, and such societies will never grow up while they are prevented from learning by their own mistakes.

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Any factory reject from Canada, put at the helm of Saudi Arabia, would do a better job of dragging the joint into the 21st century than the highest educated camel driver. Even such a low wastrel as Alex could do it. True or false?

True. And it will always remain true until the Saudi people are allowed to take responsibility for how their country is run, fuck things up totally, learn by their mistakes, and eventually grow up.

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Reply #143 - January 31, 2011, 05:30 AM

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I've asked you to name a single repressive policy Turkey has instituted and you've cited a policy adopted by all free societies.

And having no headscarf ban is also a policy adopted by sharia states. Being realistic, which sort of society do you think Erdogan is seeking to move Turkey towards? Of course the AKP was not going to be open about its re-shariaization agenda with the military breathing down its neck. They are taking things carefully. All the better if they can present certain sharia-advancing policies as "bringing Turkey into line with the EU" and fool people like you who want to be fooled. Please tell me you didn't vote for them.

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On a linguistic note, revanchism siginals irredentism. If anyone in Turkey is revanchist, I think you'll find it's the secular boys whose treatment of the Armenians and Kurds has been less than accommodating.

So Kemalist Turkish nationalist rulers have come down hard on separatists elements within Turkey. The same invaded cyprus in 1974. They are the ones who have been in charge. What conclusions should be drawn from this with respect to Erdogan and co?

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Reply #144 - January 31, 2011, 05:35 AM

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Its a necessary precursor to people growing up enough to dump nonsense like witchcraft and magic. Sure, they will fuck their societies up royally when given their first taste of freedom,

I don't particularly care if Muslims fuck their own societies up. It's their potential to fuck up non-Muslim countries that primarily concerns me.

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And it will always remain true until the Saudi people are allowed to take responsibility for how their country is run, fuck things up totally, learn by their mistakes, and eventually grow up.

If they voted in bin Laden it could lead to them being taught a lesson they may not live to learn from.

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Reply #145 - January 31, 2011, 06:05 AM

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Turkey is an Asian country with a little remnant of their European conquests they retained after the Ottoman jihad was throw back.

My friend Herodotus sends hugs&kisses. He said he did not know that Terkz are there now, but he already dislikes them. I am torn between my loyalty to MAB and the ghost of another great story teller.

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Reply #146 - January 31, 2011, 09:07 PM

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Reply #149 - January 31, 2011, 09:15 PM

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Erdogan has been at the helm of the joint for the last eight years with no moves to shutter the hot gay bars in Istanbul and chase bikini clad women off the beaches. Perhaps he means to do that when's he out of power. Very clever.

Clever indeed!
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