Sex slaves, the beautiful Quran, and Jesus's mother's vagina

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Reply #30 - January 17, 2011, 11:21 PM

Brilliant stuff mate. The sound of your voice was a little muffled. But apart from that its perfect. The visuals are witty and keep you watching, and the narrative itself is of course superb.

Just hope you never get recognised next time you're in Small Heath / Sparkhill / Alum Rock by some youtube watching believers

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Reply #31 - January 17, 2011, 11:24 PM

Yes, really good job, mate. btw it still says "Faraj" in the info box. You might want to change that to "Farj".
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Reply #32 - January 17, 2011, 11:30 PM

btw in case anyone thinks that: "and we blew into it" could be interpreted as: "and we blew into her (i.e. Maryam) it can't be since the particle 'it' is masculine in agreement with "Farj" and not feminine in agreement with "maryam"

وَمَرْيَمَ ابْنَتَ عِمْرَانَ الَّتِي أَحْصَنَتْ فَرْجَهَا فَنَفَخْنَا فِيهِ مِنْ رُوحِنَا

Though some Muslims claim it means her "womb" (Rahm) - but since that word isn't mentioned, that is pretty tenuous. But of course that won't stop Muslims trying to dodge the obvious and plain meaning.
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Reply #33 - January 17, 2011, 11:40 PM

Nice work, TheRationalizer.

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Reply #34 - January 17, 2011, 11:49 PM

By the way, if you change the "vagina" in the headline to "farj", I would post it on my facebook.

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Reply #35 - January 18, 2011, 08:45 AM

Muddy: Feel free to mirror it and change the title to whatever you like :-)

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Reply #36 - January 18, 2011, 09:02 AM

Quote from: Hassan on January 17, 2011, 11:24 PM
Yes, really good job, mate. btw it still says "Faraj" in the info box. You might want to change that to "Farj".

Ah thanks. I changed that yesterday but I must have changed it on the old upload that got deleted. Glad you spotted it because I wouldn't have thought to look for it :-)

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Reply #37 - January 19, 2011, 06:29 PM

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Thanks, I'd love to take a look at the project file. How would you like to send it to me?
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Reply #38 - January 19, 2011, 08:41 PM

Do you want to PM me your email address and I will zip it and send it to you?

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Reply #39 - January 20, 2011, 12:09 AM

Done. Thanx
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Reply #40 - January 24, 2011, 09:35 AM

I have a video response:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Fn87Yk92-4

Completely ignored the claim that Miriam's "private parts" were blown up, completely ignored the claim that men can fuck their slaves, instead he focussed on whether or not FARJ is a rude word :-)

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Reply #41 - January 24, 2011, 11:05 AM

lol at the responder... He himself is accepting the translation but farj means but he gives it a deeper meaning "The breach of god's commandment", lol... A perfect example of circular "logic" using the Kuran and it's laws to give meaning to a word that existed prior to islam.

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Reply #42 - January 24, 2011, 11:10 AM

According to his own video he translates FARJ to mean Crack, Opening, Gap, Breach, Split, Cleft - and then he complains that I use the far less vulgar term "Guard your vagina"?

I loved the way how he showed the other verse and said "The heavens have no rifts. Rifts....which also means...crack." I can just hear in his hesitation the thought going through his head "Oh shit, guard your crack is MUCH worse than vagina!"

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Reply #43 - January 24, 2011, 02:27 PM

I made a comment.. Vote up please!!

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Reply #44 - January 24, 2011, 04:25 PM

Check it:

http://www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume6/00000144.pdf

Central column:

...'afraj,' a man who pudendum (farj) is constantly uncovered when he sits (lol)...

...'furjah' an opening or intervening space [or a gap, or breach] between two things; as also 'farj' of which the plural is 'furooj' only.
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Reply #45 - January 24, 2011, 04:26 PM

And it's funny how the poor guy doesn't even touch the verse you mentioned.
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Reply #46 - January 24, 2011, 04:30 PM

Yeah, it's okay to fuck your slaves, as long as you don't say a naughty word.

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Reply #47 - January 24, 2011, 04:58 PM

Typical puritan culture, like the US. Obsessed with sex, but it has to be condoned off in a sterilized manner. Violence, death, threats, gore, blood all ok but watch the firestorm come down when sex is mentioned. A few days ago I was discussing the Islamic punishment for homosexuality and I told then that death seemed an illogical punishment for where you stick your pens or dildo. Everyone freaked out at my clinical terms, all the while talking about all the gruesome ways homosexuals should be killed. Same thing happens with Christian fundies. Talking about the actual act is offensive but the killing isn't. Same thing here, focusing on words that are offensive while ignoring the whole issue.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Reply #48 - January 24, 2011, 05:04 PM

This stuff gets into social culture too. I remember as my 2 eldest children started to reach the point where they could watch slightly more adult themes in films. I didn't really mind them watching some moderately gory stuff but every fibre of me seemed to scream out "Don't let them watch sex!"

I gave it some thought and decided it was illogical to let them watch people being horrible to each other whilst preventing them from watching people do the most natural and beautiful thing there is. In my preference that they have sex rather than killing people I decided I needed to get over it, so I did :-)

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Reply #49 - March 24, 2011, 10:26 AM

That guy on youtube LearnQuranicArabic is funny

Quote from: TR
So, if "Farj" is some mystical way of saying "chastity" can you explain something to me?

in 66:12, how was it "breathed into"?

Quote from: LQA
the feminine prnoun refers back to maryam. i.e we breathed into her . you will notice that the same words are used for the creation of Adam 15:29

Quote from: TR
I thought "fihi" (into it) was a 3rd person masculine singular object pronoun "into him", which would either mean that

A: "it" is Maryam's farj, or

B: The Quran is saying Maryam was a man.

15:29 is the perfect example, Allah breathed "into him" - fihi.

Quote from: LQA
your right it is: there is a difference of opinion where this pronoun refers to . as you pointed out the opening of her sleeve ( Farj) is one such opinion. in other words this is where the angel Gabriel blew the soul and she immediately conceived. Some scholars believe it to refer to Jesus (as) i.e that the spirit was breathed into Jesus not into Maryam because She already had a soul.

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The closest reference to Jesus is in 61:14 - 5 chapters earlier. As far as I know there is not a single reference in the Quran to Maryam's sleeve. So describing either of these as "it" is utterly vague and leaves MASSIVE room for improvement by naming the subject directly "We blew into JESUS..."

This would be an improvement, and I suspect you cannot accept the Quran can be improved. So, ruling out sleeves and Jesus for this reason, how is "it" not Maryam's guarded Farj?

Quote from: LQA
I disagree with you. I believe that this is eloquence. Maraym guraded her chastity and the female prnoun refering back to Maraym was not even mentioned. had it been mentioned then people could interpret it as a physical act b/w the angel and Maryam.

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What is eloquent about mentioning an unreferenced subject as "it"?

ahsanat - Guarded
farjaha - Her "farj" (farj being a masculine word)
fanafakhna - So we breathed fihi - Into it (a masculine object)

So our options are
1: fihi refers to the masculine object referred to 2 words previously
2: fihi refers to a male not named for 5 chapters
3: fihi refers to an object not named anywhere

You are saying it is 2 or 3 AND the Quran cannot be improved, is that right?

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Reply #50 - March 24, 2011, 10:55 AM

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no I said there was a difference of opions about where the prnoun can refer to. the strongest opinion and the one that most scholar adhere to it that it was a gap in her sleeve . the word farj has the meaning of a gap. I'm not a Quran scholar and nor are you so we are both unqualified to say anything without authority.

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So you are saying

Option 1 is wrong - "it (masculine)" refers to the masculine object JUST mentioned 2 words earlier.

Option 3 is right - "it" refers to an object not mentioned in the Quran at all.

Would it not have been better if it said "So we breathed into HER SLEEVE"? Then there would be no divided opinion, would there? The Quran would be "more" clear, would it not?

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Reply #51 - March 24, 2011, 11:16 AM

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I'm not a Quran scholar and nor are you so we are both unqualified to say anything without authority.

This guy is getting me pissed with his word-fitting and final resort to authority.
But of course, the word of god cannot possibly be understood by us simpletons, we need apologist scholars to twist words into not meaning something dirty.
Allah cared more for eloquence than fucking clarity it appears according to this retard LQA.

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Reply #52 - March 24, 2011, 12:18 PM

I'll use that

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Reply #53 - March 24, 2011, 12:22 PM

Quote from: LQA
no I said there was a difference of opions about where the prnoun can refer to. the strongest opinion and the one that most scholar adhere to it that it was a gap in her sleeve . the word farj has the meaning of a gap. I'm not a Quran scholar and nor are you so we are both unqualified to say anything without authority.

Quote from: TR
And if there is a difference of opinion then the Quran is not as concise as it could be, naming the "it" would have made it 100% clear.

Why would Allah sacrifice clarity for the sake of eloquence? Is Allah not capable of creating something both eloquent AND clear?

To have a personal relationship with god, why must one go to a third party human to understand it? It's a flawed system.

Quote from: TR
And one more thing...

Why would there need to be a gap in a sleeve? If a gap in a sleeve was required in order to breath the Ruh through then it cannot pass through porous material so has no chance of passing through water proof skin.

So once it had passed through the "gap" in the clothing, how did it get inside Maryam's body? You aren't suggesting that finding a gap in Maryam's clothing was a superfluous action are you?

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Reply #54 - March 24, 2011, 12:58 PM

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Now I know you call youself TheRationalizer, I think many of your objections are based on taking thing literally and trying to understand them physically. In The Quran, God mentions things that no human can fully comprehend. The Quran says: "The soul has been created by the command of my Lord; and of the knowledge thereof you have been given but a little: 17:85

Quote from: TR
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I don't take everything literally.

I am working on the following two premises
1: The Quran is 100% accurate.
2: The Quran cannot be improved upon.

If it is accurate then something was blown into.
If it cannot be improved upon then the thing that was blown into must be clear, otherwise we could improve upon it by making it clear.

PS: Someone who takes everything literally is a literalist, not a rationalist.

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Reply #55 - March 24, 2011, 08:28 PM

Quote from: Hassan on January 17, 2011, 10:45 AM
Relief is wrong - that would be Faraj.

afaik bump is wrong also - I never heard it in that sense.

Farj basically means gap/hole - so vagina is fine, but I would delete the 'relief' and 'bump'.

yeah, but more to the point it means genatilia... the same word, as you know, is used to refer to male reproduction system.

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