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  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #30 - January 30, 2011, 04:56 PM
    Quote from: Aphrodite on January 30, 2011, 04:50 PM
    Being against the CIA makes me pro-TTP?   Roll Eyes

    Yes. When you say that CIA should leave Pakistan or drone strikes should stop, all you are doing is arguing in favor of TTP and Taliban, and trying to make their jobs easier.

    Quote from: Aphrodite on January 30, 2011, 04:50 PM
    Slap yourself for saying that.

    http://news.antiwar.com/2010/01/02/us-killed-700-civilians-in-pakistan-drone-strikes-in-2009/

    http://news.antiwar.com/2010/08/23/us-drone-strike-destroys-house-full-of-children-in-pakistan/

    1) Those 'civilians' were collateral damage, not the targets of the strikes, whereas the majority of TTP suicide attacks in Pakistan have directly targeted civilians.

    2) The 'civilian' status of people living in FATA is questionable. Clearly the Taliban and a wide variety of terrorist networks are given refuge in FATA. If I had taliban move into my neighborhood/city in such vast numbers, I would definitely try to force them out, or if I couldn't, I would at least get as far away from that as possible.

    When you willingly share a city with known terrorists, how can someone know if you're a part of them or not?

    Whereas there is no doubt about the 'civilian' status of anyone killed in suicide attacks in Pakistan.
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  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #31 - January 30, 2011, 04:57 PM
    Quote from: donatelo on January 30, 2011, 04:45 PM
    Yea, its really sad. Given that she's from an army family of Pakistan, I'm not surprised by this. I hope she gets rid of that mentality eventually.


    I'd rather have that mentality than yours, I'm still LOL at your
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    CIA has never killed a civilian in Pakistan

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  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #32 - January 30, 2011, 04:59 PM
    Okay, get over it.
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  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #33 - January 30, 2011, 05:02 PM
    Quote from: Aphrodite on January 30, 2011, 04:57 PM
    I'd rather have that mentality than yours, I'm still LOL at your  I bet your local mullah has a better sense of reality than you do  parrot

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  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #34 - January 30, 2011, 05:02 PM
    Quote from: donatelo on January 30, 2011, 04:56 PM
    Yes. When you say that CIA should leave Pakistan or drone strikes should stop, all you are doing is arguing in favor of TTP and Taliban, and trying to make their jobs easier.
    1) Those 'civilians' were collateral damage, not the targets of the strikes, whereas the majority of TTP suicide attack in Pakistan has directly targeted civilians.

    2) The 'civilian' status of people living in FATA is questionable. Clearly the Taliban and a wide variety of terrorist networks are given refuge in FATA. If I had taliban move into my neighborhood/city in such vast numbers, I would definitely try to force them out, or if I couldn't, I would at least get as far away from that as possible.

    When you willingly share a city with known terrorists, how can you not be in support of them?

    Whereas there is no doubt about the 'civilian' status of anyone killed in suicide attacks in Pakistan.


    So now you're supporting collective punishment? That makes you NO different to the very people you claim to be against as they share the same ideology (ie Pakistanis from punjab support the army who support the US occupation thus are also guilty)

    When a man straps a bomb to himself there are civilians killed. When its a drone strike its 'collateral damage' who were at fault for not moving away. I'm putting you on ignore you thick FOB.
  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #35 - January 30, 2011, 05:11 PM
    Quote from: Aphrodite on January 30, 2011, 05:02 PM
    So now you're supporting collective punishment?

    That's not what he meant.
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  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #36 - January 30, 2011, 05:12 PM
    Quote from: Aphrodite on January 30, 2011, 05:02 PM
    So now you're supporting collective punishment?

    I would be supporting it if I called for carpet bombing of every place in FATA. That's not what I've said.

    Quote from: Aphrodite on January 30, 2011, 05:02 PM
    That makes you NO different to the very people you claim to be against as they share the same ideology (ie Pakistanis from punjab support the army who support the US occupation thus are also guilty)

    And how am I against Pakistanis from punjab who support the army that supports the US occupation? (Huh?)

    Quote from: Aphrodite on January 30, 2011, 05:02 PM
    When a man straps a bomb to himself they're civilians killed. When its a drone strike they're 'collateral damage' who were at fault for not moving away. I'm putting you on ignore you thick FOB.

    You're the one being thick. The man who straps the bomb and detonates it in a crowded marketplace is clearly targeting civilians, whereas if a surgical drone strike targeted at the car or house of a terrorist kills his neighbors, then the neighbors are collateral damage.

    And yes, if they were against the terrorists' idealogy and didn't want any part of the war, they would certainly move away from FATA. When you live in a hotbed of terrorism, you are showing your implicit support for it.
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  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #37 - January 30, 2011, 05:14 PM
    When he said:

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    2) The 'civilian' status of people living in FATA is questionable. Clearly the Taliban and a wide variety of terrorist networks are given refuge in FATA. If I had taliban move into my neighborhood/city in such vast numbers, I would definitely try to force them out, or if I couldn't, I would at least get as far away from that as possible.

    When you willingly share a city with known terrorists, how can you not be in support of them?


    He was implying that they're guilty of being associated with the TTP hence saying " 'civilian' status of people living in FATA is questionable"
  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #38 - January 30, 2011, 05:16 PM
    What do you want the US to do, stop the drone strikes so al qaida and taliban can plan terrorist attacks in peace, just because some thick people in FATA insisted on sharing a city with taliban, and then call themselves civilians?

    Even I, as a Pakistani civilian, don't want that, because if the taliban in FATA are left in peace, that will result in an increase in terrorist attacks in pakistan.
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  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #39 - January 30, 2011, 05:17 PM
    Quote from: Aphrodite on January 30, 2011, 05:14 PM
    When he said:

    He was implying that they're guilty of being associated with the TTP hence saying " 'civilian' status of people living in FATA is questionable"

    And how is it not?
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  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #40 - January 30, 2011, 05:23 PM
    Quote from: donatelo on January 30, 2011, 05:12 PM
    The man who straps the bomb and detonates it in a crowded marketplace is clearly targeting civilians, whereas if a surgical drone strike targeted at the car or house of a terrorist kills his neighbors, then the neighbors are collateral damage.

    Doesn't matter if you call it 'collateral damage' or 'unintentional murder' or whatever. The responsibility for deaths of civilians still lies on the side of those who bombed them.

    How would you like it if your loved ones got killed by a drone and some American asshole would claim that their deaths are unfortunate but they weren't really the target but merely colatteral damage?

    Quote from: donatelo on January 30, 2011, 05:12 PM
    And yes, if they were against the terrorists' idealogy and didn't want any part of the war, they would certainly move away from FATA. When you live in a hotbed of terrorism, you are showing your implicit support for it.

    You can't be serious donatelo.

    Are you saying that they are guilty simply because they happen to live in a certain location?

    I mean seriously man ...

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  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #41 - January 30, 2011, 05:32 PM
    Quote from: Kenan on January 30, 2011, 05:23 PM
    Doesn't matter if you call it 'collateral damage' or 'unintentional murder' or whatever. The responsibility for deaths of civilians still lies on the side of those who bombed them.

    There's a big difference between unintentionally killed civilians as in the case of drone strikes and intentially targeted civilians as in case of suicide attacks by terrorists.

    Quote from: Kenan on January 30, 2011, 05:23 PM

    How would you like it if your loved ones got killed by a drone and some American asshole would claim that their deaths are unfortunate but they weren't really the target but merely colatteral damage?

    The only person I would blame is the terrorist who was the actual target of the drone strike which killed my family instead. Unless the Americans had intentionally targeted my family I wouldn't blame them. They are only acting in self defense, to protect their own civilians.

    I would seek out the person who was the actual target of the strike, and kill him.

    Quote from: Kenan on January 30, 2011, 05:23 PM
    You can't be serious donatelo.

    Are you saying that they are guilty simply because they happen to live in a certain location?

    I mean seriously man ...

    facepalm.jpg

    FATA is not just any location mate, it is the hotbed of terrorism, most terrorist attacks done by islamists are planned in that area.

    When you live in an area that involved in terrorist activity, you have to have some support for them for you to continue living in that area, or allowing those people to live in your city. And also, drone strikes have been going on for several years now, all 'true' civilians have had plenty of time to leave that area, and many have done so.
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  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #42 - January 30, 2011, 05:33 PM
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    When you live in an area that involved in terrorist activity, you have to have some support for them for you to continue living in that area, or allowing those people to live in your city.

    Or maybe you just live there and don't want to uproot your family and leave.  parrot
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  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #43 - January 30, 2011, 05:42 PM
    If you know that your city will be bombed, you would choose to leave that place and save your life over protecting your belongings on any day, if you are a civilian who wants nothing to do with the war.
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  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #44 - January 30, 2011, 05:43 PM
    So do we blame the victims of Hurricane Katrina for not evacuating in time?
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  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #45 - January 30, 2011, 05:44 PM
    Quote from: donatelo on January 30, 2011, 05:32 PM
    The only person I would blame is the terrorist who was the actual target of the drone strike which killed my family instead.

    Why not blame the Americans for inefficiency in their job?
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  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #46 - January 30, 2011, 05:49 PM
    Quote from: donatelo on January 30, 2011, 05:32 PM
    There's a big difference between unintentionally killed civilians as in the case of drone strikes and intentially targeted civilians as in case of suicide attacks by terrorists.

    Not to the ones who got killed. Or for their loved ones who have to grieve them.

    Quote from: donatelo on January 30, 2011, 05:32 PM
    FATA is not just any location mate, it is the hotbed of terrorism, most terrorist attacks done by islamists are planned in that area.

    When you live in an area that involved in terrorist activity, you have to have some support for them for you to continue living in that area, or allowing those people to live in your city. And also, drone strikes have been going on for several years now, all 'true' civilians have had plenty of time to leave that area, and many have done so.

    All of the above makes no difference whatsoever. We are talking civilians here. Under international law civilians are those who are not members of his or her country's armed forces or other militia or militant organization. That's all there is to it.
  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #47 - January 30, 2011, 05:52 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on January 30, 2011, 05:43 PM
    So do we blame the victims of Hurricane Katrina for not evacuating in time?

    Hurricane Kutrina was unexpected, with no warnings, just a sudden thing. Drone strikes may have been like that the first 2-3 times they were done, however they've been going on for many years now, and the people who live there know quite well that they will be targeted if they continue to live there.

    I agree that its not fair for them to have to leave, however, the only party to be blamed is the taliban. Had the taliban not helped terrorist attacks like the 9/11, there wouldn't have been any drone strikes. US shouldn't be blamed for acting in the defense of their civilians.

    Quote from: olweasel on January 30, 2011, 05:44 PM
    Why not blame the Americans for inefficiency in their job?

    Because I think they're doing the best job they can, given that they don't have much of a physical presense in Pakistan, they are mostly acting on tip offs. If they were allowed to be physically present and carry out a ground invasion, I'm sure they would do a better job.
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  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #48 - January 30, 2011, 05:59 PM
    Quote from: donatelo on January 30, 2011, 05:52 PM
    ... the only party to be blamed is the taliban. Had the taliban not helped terrorist attacks like the 9/11, there wouldn't have been any drone strikes. US shouldn't be blamed for acting in the defense of their civilians.

    Had the US not helped taliban against the soviets when it suited them and if it wasn't for an extremely short-sighted US/British/French etc. foreign policy perhaps taliban wouldn't be such an issue in the first place?

  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #49 - January 30, 2011, 06:05 PM
    Quote from: donatelo on January 30, 2011, 05:52 PM
    Not to the ones who got killed. Or for their loved ones who have to grieve them.

    But to the rest of the world there is.

    Quote from: Kenan on January 30, 2011, 05:49 PM
    All of the above makes no difference whatsoever. We are talking civilians here. Under international law civilians are those who are not members of his or her country's armed forces or other militia or militant organization. That's all there is to it.


    What do you suggest is the better option then? Do you think that people in the cities of Pakistan and elsewhere should be allowed to be killed in marketplaces, banks, and malls, because people living in FATA would refuse to kick out the taliban or move to a safer location?

    If I was killed in a bomb blast tomorrow, I would have no warning or idea that it was 'coming'. I live in a city far away from the taliban and I genuinely have nothing to do with them. I can say the same thing about most people in my city.

    Whereas about FATA, I do know that the majority of the population follows fundamentalist Islam. I also know that the majority of people support the taliban. They know what they're involved in, and they're choosing to live in a war zone. The taliban get most of their suicide bombers from these families.

    I would rather they be the ones to die than a genuinely peaceful person going out for grocery shopping in a mall.  If the drone strikes stop, that's exactly what would happen: people choosing to live in a war zone would be spared (from the drone strikes, not from the sharia law that Taliban rule under) while people living in peaceful areas who genuinely have nothing to do with the war would be killed.
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  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #50 - January 30, 2011, 06:07 PM
    Quote from: Kenan on January 30, 2011, 05:59 PM
    Had the US not helped taliban against the soviets when it suited them and if it wasn't for an extremely short-sighted US/British/French etc. foreign policy perhaps taliban wouldn't be such an issue in the first place?

    You have a good point there, however I don't think the US etc had any idea of the monster they were creating. It was an accidental mistake, something they didn't intend. The responsibility ultimately falls back to the taliban who chose to use their weapons to kill civilians.
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  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #51 - January 30, 2011, 07:04 PM
    @Don

    By whom were you recruited as the spokesman for the Pentagon? I want to join. My kids are starving. Predator drones don’t intentionally target civilians it is true. Like cluster bombs, now banned under international law, they kill disproportionately many innocents. When the kill rate of a weapon has a high civilian to combatant ratio, it ceases to matter what the intentions of central command are. If one deploys weapons which have a proven record of striking densely populated civilian neighbourhoods, the pentagon bears culpability for the predictable consequences of its actions.

    And drones by no means make America safe. Every drone attack that claims a civilian spawns a whole village of vengeful people some of whom will exact revenge. Nor do they strike in the same place twice. If the plan is to eliminate the Taliban, giving them fresh recruits is not the most obvious way of going about it.

    Take a moment to read Johann Hari on the subject:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/obamas-escalating-robot-w_b_763578.html

  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #52 - January 30, 2011, 07:13 PM
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    Every drone attack that claims a civilian spawns a whole village of vengeful people some of whom will exact revenge. Nor do they strike in the same place twice. If the plan is to eliminate the Taliban, giving them fresh recruits is not the most obvious way of going about it.


    Exactly.
  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #53 - January 30, 2011, 07:25 PM
    Quote from: Aphrodite on January 30, 2011, 07:13 PM
    Exactly.

    see Bush was much smarter than Obama ..

    Under Bush,
    9 drone attacks from 2004-7 and 33 in 2008

    under Obama,
    there were 53 in 2009,
    118 in 2010,
    and 4 up to now in January 2011

    I want some one to clean shave this guy Aphrodite



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  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #54 - January 30, 2011, 07:55 PM
    Obama is more of a snake than bush (at least u know what you get with him coz he was frank about it) under Obama the US has increased its direct military involvement in Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia.

    LOL errrm take him to the hair cut shop?  Tongue OR send him to me, I'll make him look like a young model  parrot
  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #55 - January 30, 2011, 08:00 PM
    Quote from: yeezevee on January 30, 2011, 07:25 PM
    see Bush was much smarter than Obama ..

    Under Bush,
    9 drone attacks from 2004-7 and 33 in 2008

    under Obama,
    there were 53 in 2009,
    118 in 2010,
    and 4 up to now in January 2011

    I want some one to clean shave this guy Aphrodite

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  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #56 - January 30, 2011, 10:33 PM
    Thousands of Pakistani hard-liners rally against American shooting suspect  says news


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    LAHORE, Pakistan — Hard-line Islamic leaders on Sunday rallied at least 15,000 people against an American official arrested in the shooting deaths of two Pakistanis and warned the government not to cave in to U.S. pressure to release the man.

    The protest in the eastern city of Lahore, where the shootings took place, came as the U.S. Embassy once again insisted that the American has diplomatic immunity and was being detained illegally by Pakistan. But Pakistan has refused to budge, saying the matter must be decided by the courts.

    The spat has revealed the fragility of a relationship Washington believes is crucial for success in Afghanistan and against al-Qaida. Large protests by hard-line Islamic groups, which have significant influence in Pakistan, could make it even more difficult for the government to free the American.

    "We warn the government and administration that ... if they help the arrested American illegally, then this crowd will surround the U.S. Embassy and presidential palace in Islamabad," Hafiz Hussain Ahmed, a senior official in the Jamiat Ulema Islam party, said during Sunday's rally.


    Baboons are back on blocking roads..  read it all at

    http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/thousands-in-pakistan-rally-821082.html




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    Supporters of the religious and political party Jamaat-e-Islami hold a banner that reads “Pakistani Demand to Hang Raymond Davis Immediately” while praying during a protest rally in Karachi January 30, 2011. – Reuters

    LAHORE: About 40,000 people rallied in Pakistan’s eastern city of Lahore on Sunday in the latest protest against proposed reforms of a controversial blasphemy law, police said.

    Religious groups have held protests in several Pakistani cities since former Punjab governor Salman Taseer vowed to amend the law, that was recently used to sentence a Christian woman to death

    http://www.dawn.com/2011/01/30/thousands-rally-in-lahore-over-blasphemy-law.html

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  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #57 - January 31, 2011, 04:43 AM
    Quote from: olweasel on January 30, 2011, 04:42 PM
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  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #58 - January 31, 2011, 11:04 AM
    Govt takes weapons off Raymond’s police guards  * Step taken to avoid any ‘retaliation’ by policemen

    says news

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    LAHORE: The Punjab government and law enforcement agencies have taken all the weapons from the guards of the American man who killed two youths in broad daylight at Qartaba Chowk on Thursday.  High placed sources in the agencies told Daily Times that the measure has been taken with a view to avoid any retaliation by the policemen who are guarding Raymond Davis, who killed the men.

    The sources said Davis was not being kept in the Lytton Road police station lockup as required under the routine procedure but he has been moved to an undisclosed location with contradictory claims that he is being held in Sarwar Road police station or an intelligence unit near Thokar Niaz Baig. It was also learnt that the authorities concerned have taken unprecedented measures to protect Davis as possibility of any extremist or angry police guard(s) attack existed especially after the assassination of former Punjab governor Salmaan Taseer who was killed by his Elite Force bodyguard on January 4.

    However, no government official confirmed or denied the news that Davis’ police guards have been unarmed. Punjab Law Minister Rana Sanaullah abstained from commenting on the issue despite several requests.

    One of the police officials who are investigating the case said Davis has not been kept in Lytton Road police station and was moved to an undisclosed place due to security concerns. He said the investigators were mostly kept away from Davis and they were allowed a couple of times to see him with the permission and in the presence of top police officers.

    Punjab government spokesman Pervaiz Rasheed told Daily Times that the government has taken appropriate measures and ruled out the possibility of an attack by police guards. Davis had shot dead Faizan Haider and Faheem Ahmad, residents of Ravi Road and Shahdara. A third youth, Ibadur Rehman, was crushed to death by the driver of a car, who reportedly had come to Davis’ rescue. Davis tried to escape after the shooting, but police caught him near Old Anarkali.

    The US consulate’s functionary stated before a court that Faizan and Faheem tried to rob him and he had killed them in self-defence. However, relatives of both the youth rejected his claim, and said they were coming from a court after attending a court proceeding regarding the murder of Faizan’s brother. They said that Faizan was carrying a licenced weapon and did not violate any law.

    The car and the US Consulate official, who crushed Ibad, are still at large and police have been unable to find any clue about them despite requests to the consulate and authorities concerned.

    Insane police  and  insane Government
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  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #59 - January 31, 2011, 11:35 AM
    Quote from: Mount A Bison on January 30, 2011, 07:04 PM
    Predator drones don’t intentionally target civilians it is true. Like cluster bombs, now banned under international law, they kill disproportionately many innocents. When the kill rate of a weapon has a high civilian to combatant ratio, it ceases to matter what the intentions of central command are. If one deploys weapons which have a proven record of striking densely populated civilian neighbourhoods, the pentagon bears culpability for the predictable consequences of its actions.


    You have to understand that they don't have any other option. Pakistan won't allow them to do a ground invasion which is needed. In that case, drone strikes are they only option that they have. Those people which are killed in drone strikes whom you call civilians, are willfully choosing to live as neighbors of terrorists. I would rather they be the ones to die than me, my friends and family who are living in a city far away from anything to do with taliban.

    Quote from: Mount A Bison on January 30, 2011, 07:04 PM
    And drones by no means make America safe. Every drone attack that claims a civilian spawns a whole village of vengeful people some of whom will exact revenge. Nor do they strike in the same place twice. If the plan is to eliminate the Taliban, giving them fresh recruits is not the most obvious way of going about it.

    If you were at all familiar with FATA, you would know that this area is full of people willing to go for a jihad regardless of the drone strikes. FATA follows a very strict and fundamentalist version of Islam. Whether the drone strikes continue or stop, people will continue to willingly join the taliban for 'jihad'.
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