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Reply #30 - February 09, 2011, 10:24 AM

Here is my 10c.

At the moment, CEMB is predominantly online. Its members interact with Muslims online through youtube or you discuss news articles about Muslims, or debate with Muslims through forums. It seems the main interaction between Ex-M's and M's in terms of religious disussion is online, for obvious reasons. And although online gives anonymity, it also creates a very impersonal barrier where empathy is difficult.

Since becoming Ex-M, must of us have drifted away from our Muslim friends. I think many of us have forgotten the decent Muslim majority and our anger towards Islam is misfiring towards Muslims in general. Coupled with the fact that most Muslims online, in forums or on Youtube are generally quite nerdy about Islam it creates a false impression of Muslims in general, who mostly don't really know much about Islam.

All the time many of us spent learning about Islam, praying, going to mosque, taking part in campus events is now replaced by a sense of "What now?" and subsequently many of the younger members are switching to a pro-actively offensive campaign towards Muslims. It's like you feel you have all this free time but no direction to go. So why not go on the offensive towards Muslims?

Also, with all the news articles discussed here, they are about groups of Muslims who are similarly obsessed with Islam in a way most Muslims IRL are not. Therefore we become in danger of tarring all Muslims with this brush.

I think I agree with Hassan, despite my comments in the "empathy" thread. I think we do need to evolve (or possibly de-evolve) to a level where we can have more meaningful discussions with Muslims, who by-and-large are not so different from ourselves.
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Reply #31 - February 09, 2011, 11:30 AM

I think it's time I took a break from the forum. Take care guys - see you later
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Reply #32 - February 09, 2011, 12:21 PM

I think you just upset Hassan with your post

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Reply #33 - February 09, 2011, 01:05 PM

Whatever personal struggle Hassan is going through has got to be respected, from his contributions on here he is a guy who has my respect. However, Hassan , I have to say that it seems a little unfair to others to hear of your inner struggle but not to hear you elaborate more your reasoning or arguements. You may find you have many here who can empathise with whatever you are thinking or feeling and of course being a public forum no doubt you will find a few who will disagree .perhaps strongly , with your point of view, but I hope you come back on at some time and contribute to the discussion you started, it feels disjointed without the input of the OP.

Whatever it is you are trying to deal with I hope you find peace of mind
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Reply #34 - February 09, 2011, 01:19 PM

Quote from: debunker on February 09, 2011, 12:14 AM
but i have to admit that some of the young members here are a bit arrogant.

Damn skippy they are !

I don't know with atheism there is sometimes a slight risk of being an arrogant bastard , mainly because they feel so smug because they think they are learnt the ultimate truth . Sadly they act similar to self righteous believers , their method of 'deconverting' people just drives people away and just make muslims have the assumption that all atheists are assholes without manners .

I'm a big old softie when it comes to giving dawah too , with leaving Islam we are ex muslims should be the most aware of how difficult it is to leave the faith . But I gotta say Muslims are just ultra sensitive the smallest things just upset them , and they only have the intention of debating with you because they want you to come back to Islam so in many cases they most probably won't listen to anything you say .

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Reply #35 - February 09, 2011, 01:26 PM

Quote from: Hassan on February 09, 2011, 12:22 AM
I guess what triggered this - even though it has been in my mind for a long time - was that I visited a friend of mine whose wife had a stroke. I haven't seen them for 20 years but we had been close friends back in my Da'wa Society days.

I cannot even begin to describe to you what a lovely guy this chap is. He would do anything for you. His wife is the most sweet, kind and gentle person you could ever meet. They are devout Muslims and had heard that I had left Islam. We talked and they saw that I was me - Hassan - the guy they had always known and I saw they were the same wonderful ppl I had always known.

I can't really express it - but I knew and have always known - that change and progress amongst Muslims is something that can only be done with great wisdom and genuine compassion and love.

I really can't explain it more than that.

Hassan , you probably have felt this way because you are one of the few that have experienced this . People like myself will only experience hate and rejection from most . But you are right instead of ex muslims like ayaan hiris Ali getting attention for criticising Islam it kind of gives us a bad name . The other day I was told that I'm heading towards the path of Ayaan because I criticise fundamentalism , she completely ignored the fact that I always stand up for the moderates lol .

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Reply #36 - February 09, 2011, 02:28 PM

Hassan has to find a way for himself to reconcile rejection and criticism of Islam, in a way that doesn't reject or marginalise people who he loves who happen to be Muslim. Its important for him, and for us as well to find that way.

I don't think that an emphasis and scrutiny of tenets of Islam, extremist or casual assumptions of Islam have to be seen as attacks on Muslims. It then becomes an issue of how do we create a space to express what needs to be said, to exercise freedom of conscience.

In many ways, Islam prevails by default when the better nature of men and women who leave Islam or criticise Islam inhibits them from saying what needs to be said in case it offends and upsets Muslims who they personally know and love, or Muslims who they don't know but know might be offended. How do we resolve this? Knowing that even slight criticism, or the existence of doubt, will upset Muslims, and that the exercise of your free conscience is by its very nature an offence against others?

Silence is not an option. Your free conscience is not responsible for their offence. Nobody who rejects or criticises Islam rationally ever has to apologise or feel inhibited or guilty for doing so. This issue has to be resolved without recourse to self censorship or quietude.

Nobody said it would be easy. Bearing it in mind and pondering on it will enrich you personally, and will enrich the scrutiny and criticism of Islam and religion.

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Reply #37 - February 09, 2011, 02:38 PM

Quote from: Ishina on February 09, 2011, 08:39 AM
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Reply #38 - February 09, 2011, 04:12 PM

Quote from: IsLame on February 09, 2011, 12:21 PM
I think you just upset Hassan with your post
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Reply #39 - February 09, 2011, 04:51 PM

Quote from: Alex Lam Meem on February 09, 2011, 02:38 PM

You said this:
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Ishinka, Kenan, why do you discuss this as if the first goal and reason for existence of CEMB forum is "reaching out to Muslims".

I don't remember ever saying anything like that. Did you mean someone else?

Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
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Reply #40 - February 09, 2011, 05:08 PM

Quote from: Mutha Kuffar on February 09, 2011, 01:05 PM
Whatever personal struggle Hassan is going through has got to be respected, from his contributions on here he is a guy who has my respect. However, Hassan , I have to say that it seems a little unfair to others to hear of your inner struggle but not to hear you elaborate more your reasoning or arguements. You may find you have many here who can empathise with whatever you are thinking or feeling and of course being a public forum no doubt you will find a few who will disagree .perhaps strongly , with your point of view, but I hope you come back on at some time and contribute to the discussion you started, it feels disjointed without the input of the OP.

This.

As much as I love you Hassan, I really am struggling to see what the problem is. I wish you'd clarify instead of dropping a grenade and then doing a runner.

And to other people, where is this elusive anti-Muslim sentiment you are alluding to? If you honestly see a problem and genuinely wish to resolve it, be more open and forthcoming about the particulars. Otherwise it comes across like you're just seizing an opportunity to stick your nose up at the forum and its members as though your own shit doesn't stink.

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Reply #41 - February 09, 2011, 05:24 PM

Quote from: billy on February 09, 2011, 02:28 PM
It then becomes an issue of how do we create a space to express what needs to be said, to exercise freedom of conscience.

Consider Arab-Wannabe. He came back to the forum after a short time of absence clearly looking for a fight.
He started with BD by posting "Fucking groupies", "Nice work groupies" ect; than he diverted his attention to yeezevee and continued with flaming.

Question is should we restrain ourselves when dealing with characters like Arab-Wannabe in order not to offend their sensibilities because they are Muslims?

On the other hand consider AbaAbdillah. I challenged him on that "revert" thing, he explained what he meant by it and we parted on amicable terms. My impression was that while our views are not always alike he actually is a nice guy and imo engaging him with mockery is simply not fruitful.
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Reply #42 - February 09, 2011, 06:08 PM

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Reply #43 - February 09, 2011, 06:16 PM

Quote from: debunker on February 09, 2011, 12:14 AM
I guess Hassan just wants you to be way too patient with Muslims, even with the self-righteous ones (which are the majority), which, honestly, i think is too much to ask.

hassan is a softie and he expects others to be softies like him

but i have to admit that some of the young members here are a bit arrogant.

I dont think its an age thing, but a newbie thing. When ex-muslims first join here, its almost like they have eventually got affirmation for thoughts they have always had. They have not met many others like them before, and they finally feel validated. This usually leads to over-excitement, pride, feeling part of a group etc and might reflect in their posts. I know looking back at my earlier posts, it certainly happened to me too.

I dont think there is anything we can do to change that, particularly as everyone is different. On the whole, I think we can still take pride that it is a pretty well balanced forum that tackles Islam. You can take a look at all the Muslim forums, other ex-muslim forums, and EDL type forums if you want to see how it compares.

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Reply #44 - February 09, 2011, 08:23 PM

Quote from: Ishina on February 09, 2011, 05:08 PM
If you honestly see a problem and genuinely wish to resolve it, be more open and forthcoming about the particulars. Otherwise it comes across like you're just seizing an opportunity to stick your nose up at the forum and its members as though your own shit doesn't stink.

Sorry if it comes across that way. I'm not saying my shit doesn't stink. I'll be frank, I don't think criticising Muslims does any good whatsoever beyond members getting their own anger out of their system. I don't know if I am misinterpreting the thread but I think what Hassan might be saying is all of this pent-up energy might be better aimed a positive direction rather insulting people like Zakir Naik and various other Muslims we have never met in real life? And I'm talking about myself here as much as anyone else.
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Reply #45 - February 09, 2011, 08:47 PM

Its an internet forum, I don't think we should be overanalysing ourselves this often. Sure, go and do something different if you need a break, but constantly taking the temperature of the forum and reiterating that we shouldn't be hating on muslims, (which every sane person knows anyway), is useless.

It also risks making the same mistake as the haters, ie, lumping all muslims into one category as if they operate with a hive mind. There is no one formula by which you can operate to show empathy with muslims. You just treat people as individuals, muslim or not, and unless the person's an asshole, (or you are), empathy naturally follows.

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Reply #46 - February 09, 2011, 10:51 PM

i made my channel private for a while.. just a few days.. they were the best few days i've had in a long time .. i've thought about closing everything down.. being an exmuslim doesn' t mean very much , does it.. it hasn't made me more or less then what i used to be, and i defintely will not allow it to make me into someone i don't want to be,(them vs. us) ... i still see my mom all the time, i can't keep looking into her eyes and not think of what i'm doing on youtube, i try my best to keep to only the ideology and not the people, but no matter how much i try, there is always someone out there looking at it from a hateful and bigotted way... i could always count on you Hassan to keep us in check.. to keep youtube and the forum sane. but whether or not it's for the same reasons , i understand the feeling of wanting out. (at least for a while).. i just might join you either way I'M GOING TO MISS YOU..

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Reply #47 - February 09, 2011, 11:25 PM

Quote from: debunker on February 09, 2011, 12:14 AM
I guess Hassan just wants you to be way too patient with Muslims, even with the self-righteous ones (which are the majority), which, honestly, i think is too much to ask.

hassan is a softie and he expects others to be softies like him

but i have to admit that some of the young members here are a bit arrogant.

I think this is the kinda shit Hassan is talking about. How do you know the "majority" are self-righteous? Have you talked to the "majority" of muslims? I talk to muslims now the same as I did before I left Islam and I get on fine with most of them (only had to delete 1 prick of my fb) and most aren't self-righteous, they're not judgmental most say shit like "only God can judge me" but maybe thats coz they're bradistanis who listen to tupac Yeah being patient is toooo much isn't it? We should all go up to muslims and say "hey your religion is false, the Quran doesn't make sense and Mo was a paedo"

The young ones (like that knob donatelo--I think he's young) seems to think the US and the 'west' is always right and muslims are always wrong, hence saying rubbish like:

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And even the 'elders' can be idiotic, like when I bring up genuine grievances muslims have like the situation in Palestine, I get called a "jew hater"
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Reply #48 - February 10, 2011, 12:03 AM

Aphrodite, I wish you would write one non-angry post sometime.

You're probably nice company when you're not resentful about something.

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Reply #49 - February 10, 2011, 12:12 AM

Quote from: nessrriinn on February 09, 2011, 10:51 PM

i made my channel private for a while.. just a few days.. they were the best few days i've had in a long time .. i've thought about closing everything down.. being an exmuslim doesn' t mean very much , does it.. it hasn't made me more or less then what i used to be, and i defintely will not allow it to make me into someone i don't want to be,(them vs. us) ... i still see my mom all the time, i can't keep looking into her eyes and not think of what i'm doing on youtube, i try my best to keep to only the ideology and not the people, but no matter how much i try, there is always someone out there looking at it from a hateful and bigotted way...

I think Hassan will be back, he just needs a break from the intensity of discussion and rumination.

Nessrriin, I understand where you're coming from. This is the most important issue. If nobody creates a space for dissent from Islam, rejection of Islam, and rational scrutiny of Islam, two streams will keep developing:

(1) Many people who were born and raised as Muslim and dissent from Islam will stay stuck in a cage, in a dungeon, with their tongues cut out, because even though they wish to articulate rejection, will be numbed from doing so because of the pressures and inhibitions caused by the fear of offence in general, and the upset that rejecting and articulating against Islam causes to those they love who maintain their faith. This is a miserable prospect.

(2) Criticism of Islam will come from different angles, many of which are not rational or specific, but are generalised and innacurate and some of it hostile to the extent of not differentiating between the ideology and theology and the individuals who practise in small ways or great.

Either way, Islam continues to stamp on the face of dissenters and those who exercise free conscience, and it is allowed to continue without its ethics, beliefs, and ideology, especially the ideology that exercises powers over individuals and collectives, being examined and questioned. And that is disastrous.

Someone has to find and maintain that space, even if it is just a self-policing corner of the internet in which the issues get discussed.

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Reply #50 - February 10, 2011, 12:15 AM

Quote from: billy on February 10, 2011, 12:03 AM
Aphrodite, I wish you would write one non-angry post sometime.

You're probably nice company when you're not resentful about something.

I'm not angry, haven't been for days Although when I re-read my own posts I do sound kinda hostile. You should come on chat, I'm easier to get on with there
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Reply #51 - February 10, 2011, 01:38 AM

That's true, she is. She's really nice on chat, I wanted to pull her hair out by the roots when I only spoke to her on the forum.

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Reply #52 - February 10, 2011, 02:39 AM

I don't think Hassan was suggesting for a second that anyone should stop criticising Islam - call islam backwards silly garbage etc. all you want - Hassan himself has done it on several occasions and has criticised and cursed non-peaceful msulims. i think what he is saying is that a significant portion of muslims are peaceful, non-violent, tolerant, gentle and kind - so what if we find their beliefs/interpretations stupid? where's our humanity if we can't reach out to their humanity? unfortunately there are some people who think that because they are ex-muslim now, it automatically makes them morally superior than any muslim they ever met. the muslim-bashing (distinct from islam-bashing) that follows then sometimes becomes blind and can get innapropriately aggressive

there are a lot of 'moderate' muslims who have that smug air of scumbag entitlement - but then again there are a great number of muslims who are geuinely nice people - and i have seen these types of people attacked and ridiculed on this forum a number of times - and it's my guess that it's this sort of thing that Hassan has taken a dislike to - which is natural given his nature.

it might be that Hassan is a softie - or it could be that he sees things cleary, with a clarity of thought that doesn't cloud his humanity.

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Reply #53 - February 10, 2011, 02:46 AM

billy!!

beautifully said bo yunus..
since this thread is titled "i want a new way".. maybe we should all take the opportunity to come up with new ways .. brainstorm collectively what we can do to make this place worthy of the future.
i would start but i'm out of ideas at the moment.. but i would love to see a debate , not the kind on youtube.. i want to see a debate between say a father and son talking about religion.. or two brothers one being muslim the other not..
something like that

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Reply #54 - February 10, 2011, 03:59 AM

Quote from: abuyunus2 on February 10, 2011, 02:39 AM
I don't think Hassan was suggesting for a second that anyone should stop criticising Islam - call islam backwards silly garbage etc. all you want - Hassan himself has done it on several occasions and has criticised and cursed non-peaceful msulims. i think what he is saying is that a significant portion of muslims are peaceful, non-violent, tolerant, gentle and kind - so what if we find their beliefs/interpretations stupid? where's our humanity if we can't reach out to their humanity? unfortunately there are some people who think that because they are ex-muslim now, it automatically makes them morally superior than any muslim they ever met. the muslim-bashing (distinct from islam-bashing) that follows then sometimes becomes blind and can get innapropriately aggressive

there are a lot of 'moderate' muslims who have that smug air of scumbag entitlement - but then again there are a great number of muslims who are geuinely nice people - and i have seen these types of people attacked and ridiculed on this forum a number of times - and it's my guess that it's this sort of thing that Hassan has taken a dislike to - which is natural given his nature.

it might be that Hassan is a softie - or it could be that he sees things cleary, with a clarity of thought that doesn't cloud his humanity.

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Reply #55 - February 10, 2011, 04:20 AM

There are so many different types of people. I hate starting off like that but I couldn't find a better way. When I first left Islam, like most apostates I had so much anger built inside me for the religion (and all religions for that matter) itself. I still do have this resentment but it's not as extreme as my initial reaction. At first, like many other ex-Muslims and ex-Christians I was acting like an extremist Atheist which is by the way very harmless but all I had was hate. Besides being so busy, that was a reason why I was on a hiatus. I felt bored and tired of constantly poking fun at Muslims and what they felt was true. I'm now an atheist... so? Lol. It is a big deal because all of us are survivors of facing a mandatory death penalty in Islamic countries but like Hassan stated, not all Muslims are like this. I'm currently with my mother and she is honestly so helpless. She has nothing but faith that keeps her alive. I feel that faith can be good but for weak people... I believed a God was out there and was crused when I knew my personal god was my imagination but not everyone is that strong. I let her believe. She is still a good person despite a few things she has done... Must Muslims (moderates) are genuinely good people who see no harm.

If I meet Muslims now, I don't say anything unless a discussion of religion does take place. Does that mean I'm weak? No. I tell them that I don't believe in anything if they ask and to some Muslims who I might feel be harmful, I just tell them I'm not religious. It sucks that I have to say that but I learned my lesson... I mean, if they want to find "truth" (Islam is false) they can only discover that on their own. I was approached by anti-Islam people but I never listened to them. How I left Islam is a personal experience to self-discovery. It didn't include any "I told you so's"

This is also why I kind of shut down parts of my channel down. I still get messages from people who think of leaving islam or ex-Muslims in other countries. And of course, I support and reassure them that this site exists. I think rather than the usual "AHHH ISLAM SUCKS!" forum, we should actually help some of our members out... We're all aware that Islam is tyrannical. That's why we're ex-Muslims. I feel we lack help when members truly need it. I'm not only speaking for myself but for others too. I hope that's not asking for too much but this organization can do more than just provide forums for people to rant...

Hassan, I hope you have a peaceful time off. Do keep in touch. We will miss you!
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Reply #56 - February 10, 2011, 08:29 AM

Quote from: Aphrodite on February 09, 2011, 11:25 PM
And even the 'elders' can be idiotic, like when I bring up genuine grievances muslims have like the situation in Palestine, I get called a "jew hater"

Thought I made it quite clear in that thread that it was not just about that? There are others, like myself who support Palestine, who I wouldnt put in the same league. Get over yourself darling.

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Reply #57 - February 10, 2011, 08:34 AM

Quote from: abuyunus2 on February 10, 2011, 02:39 AM
the muslim-bashing (distinct from islam-bashing) that follows then sometimes becomes blind and can get innapropriately aggressive

Thanks to Hassan, I thought this forum demarcated these boundaries pretty well. Do you mean Muslims posters that visit here, in which I case I agree with you. But how do we police newbies, and is it our job to?

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Reply #58 - February 10, 2011, 10:58 AM

I think it's a load of shit, frankly. There is only one Muslim that I know of on this forum, and he seems to get along fine, y'know, like a normal human gets along fine. I wouldn't patronize him by giving him special treatment. And, shockingly, he doesn't seem to expect any. Imagine that? In fact, it seems to me that this vile place of horror is actually quite welcoming as long as you're not a dick, and that newcomers are taken at face value regardless of faith or creed.

Since nobody is willing to point out instances where the forum is overly aggressive or offensive to Muslims, and which isn't just a by-product of essential criticism of the particular actions, beliefs and opinions that are presented in an arena of ideas, I can only conclude people are inventing stuff to complain about, maybe to flex some kind of superficial moral superiority. Though, there is a saying that all groups of friends have a bitch, and if yours doesn't have a bitch, you are the bitch, so I'm starting to get paranoid...

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Reply #59 - February 10, 2011, 11:54 AM

Ishina.

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