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  • Re: Ex-Muslim Survey
     Reply #90 - April 21, 2011, 04:53 PM
    Dear people,

    Last day the survey is up! I'm closing it down tomorrow, and then analysis starts. So if you were still considering to answer it but you didn't have a chance yet - please do so this evening Smiley Thanks to all who have answered already - I will post the results when I know them!

     bunny
    Suzanne
    http://www.exmuslimsurvey.org/
  • Re: Ex-Muslim Survey
     Reply #91 - April 23, 2011, 07:49 AM
    Looking forward to the results!  Smiley
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  • Re: Ex-Muslim Survey
     Reply #92 - April 23, 2011, 08:18 AM
    Have started translating them to SPSS! This is gonna take a while but I'll work hard! You guys are now free to talk about the questions, btw

     grin12
    Suzanne
    http://www.exmuslimsurvey.org/
  • Re: Ex-Muslim Survey
     Reply #93 - April 23, 2011, 08:49 AM
    O yes, and I promised to explain the hypotheses. The main hypothesis of this part of the research is that openness about one's deconversion influences one's mental and physical health (hence all the medical questions, Muddy Smiley). The more open one is, the better one's health. That's the prediction. Moreover, I'm expecting this link to be moderated by social support - which means that if social support is high, not being able to be fully open about one's disaffiliation is less likely to affect one's health. Again, these are predictions only, but if confirmed I think they will support your case (i.e. freedom of religion is important to health/ a forum like this important to health - might even help Maryam in her aspirations). However, the dataset needs to speak for itself, and as much as I hope to find it, it may not be there. So I'm now going to see if the data actually confirm these predictions. It would be interesting to hear if you guys saw this coming or were oblivious to the intention of the research! (that's actually interesting info for the research, so please let me know)

    Thanks to everyone who entered,
    S.
    Suzanne
    http://www.exmuslimsurvey.org/
  • Re: Ex-Muslim Survey
     Reply #94 - April 23, 2011, 11:28 AM
    SuzanneB please explain "the more open one is"  in regards to what?
    religion?  Life experiences, religion or no religion, can take a toll
    on ones health.  Inherited illnesses, war, bad family situations,
    mental illness, abuse, accidents, are all factors that should be
    weighed into ones health or lack thereof.  There are so many variables
    that need to be factored in.  So I am interested in hearing your theory
    of this "the more open one is".
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  • Re: Ex-Muslim Survey
     Reply #95 - April 23, 2011, 12:39 PM
    Open about being an ex-Muslim to family, friends and environment (there were a number of questions about it in the questionnaire). You're very right that there are many possible confusing factors, and I have tried to measure a few (it's impossible to measure all). I tailored my research after research about closet homosexuals and their health. The idea is that there will always be different factors playing a role, but if 'openness' as I just explained it does influence health, health should, ON AVERAGE, change along with openness. And this what I'm going to calculate in SPSS Smiley (which is psychology's standard mathematical computer programme)
    Suzanne
    http://www.exmuslimsurvey.org/
  • Re: Ex-Muslim Survey
     Reply #96 - April 23, 2011, 01:24 PM
    I felt that your discriminatory inclusion criteria were more than a little unfair. Ex-Muslims only eh? What about us, the non-Muslims, not to mention those still in Mo's private members club? In protest at this partitionist bullshit, I'm reverting. My beard is soon to be long and flowing and my tolerance of all here present is on the rapid descent. I hope you're happy SuzanneB, I really do.
  • Re: Ex-Muslim Survey
     Reply #97 - April 23, 2011, 01:28 PM
    Ah, the joys of SPSS analysis.  Wink

    I completed the survey some time ago now. Good luck Smiley
  • Re: Ex-Muslim Survey
     Reply #98 - April 23, 2011, 02:10 PM
    Dear Chris,

    I dare say that if exclusion from one survey makes you seek membership with whatever group you bump into first (ahum), then it is not my survey to blame but your remarkably strong need to belong. Ferrero, I like your picture and I appreciate that someone understands the battle I am about to embark on. Thanks for filling in the survey!

    S.
    Suzanne
    http://www.exmuslimsurvey.org/
  • Re: Ex-Muslim Survey
     Reply #99 - April 23, 2011, 02:32 PM
    Quote from: SuzanneB on April 23, 2011, 02:10 PM
    ...it is not my survey to blame but your remarkably strong need to belong

    But, but it's so lonely out here, all on my own. Why so mean, so callous?

    p.s. I hope your SPSS programme crashes moments before you save your work.
  • Re: Ex-Muslim Survey
     Reply #100 - April 23, 2011, 02:49 PM
    Now who's being hostile?

     piggy
    Suzanne
    http://www.exmuslimsurvey.org/
  • Re: Ex-Muslim Survey
     Reply #101 - April 23, 2011, 03:25 PM
    friggin old white males need to learn a lesson methinks
  • Re: Ex-Muslim Survey
     Reply #102 - April 23, 2011, 03:40 PM
    Quote from: serrated_colon on April 23, 2011, 03:25 PM
    friggin old white males need to learn a lesson methinks

    Oh that's right S_C, side with the white female over the white male eh?? Pffff.
  • Re: Ex-Muslim Survey
     Reply #103 - April 23, 2011, 04:39 PM
    Quote from: SuzanneB on April 23, 2011, 08:18 AM
    Have started translating them to SPSS! This is gonna take a while but I'll work hard! You guys are now free to talk about the questions, btw

     grin12


    SPSS => statistical analysis => mathematics => maths can model our reality including ex-Muslims Grin
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  • Re: Ex-Muslim Survey
     Reply #104 - April 23, 2011, 04:50 PM
    Quote from: SuzanneB on April 23, 2011, 08:49 AM
    O yes, and I promised to explain the hypotheses. The main hypothesis of this part of the research is that openness about one's deconversion influences one's mental and physical health (hence all the medical questions, Muddy Smiley). The more open one is, the better one's health. That's the prediction. Moreover, I'm expecting this link to be moderated by social support - which means that if social support is high, not being able to be fully open about one's disaffiliation is less likely to affect one's health. Again, these are predictions only, but if confirmed I think they will support your case (i.e. freedom of religion is important to health/ a forum like this important to health - might even help Maryam in her aspirations). However, the dataset needs to speak for itself, and as much as I hope to find it, it may not be there. So I'm now going to see if the data actually confirm these predictions. It would be interesting to hear if you guys saw this coming or were oblivious to the intention of the research! (that's actually interesting info for the research, so please let me know)

    Thanks to everyone who entered,
    S.


    I totally saw it coming and I think both hypothesis are worth some research. Smiley A few variables are at play though I think. Hmm ..... I think it is true where there are well connected people with good social support - they don't need to come out as an ex-Muslim. Hard to explain. Will be interesting to see physical/mental health trends ... not that I really see one .. hmmm ...
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  • Re: Ex-Muslim Survey
     Reply #105 - April 23, 2011, 05:34 PM
    Quote from: chris on April 23, 2011, 02:32 PM
    But, but it's so lonely out here, all on my own. Why so mean, so callous?

    p.s. I hope your SPSS programme crashes moments before you save your work.


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  • Re: Ex-Muslim Survey
     Reply #106 - April 23, 2011, 05:35 PM
    Suzie, I like your comparisons of closet gays with closet muslims, the similarities are startling.
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  • Re: Ex-Muslim Survey
     Reply #107 - April 23, 2011, 06:57 PM
    Suzanne, this video by Gretna Christina may help with the executive summary/ recommendations of your thesis when investigating possible parallels between closet LGBT community & exmuslims

    Watch from 1:40..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YxdM1WChHc
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  • Re: Ex-Muslim Survey
     Reply #108 - April 23, 2011, 09:00 PM
    ^Thanks Islame, that was well worth watching. I'd encourage others to take a look if you have the time.
  • Re: Ex-Muslim Survey
     Reply #109 - April 23, 2011, 09:20 PM
    Indeed very interesting - and relevant for the research too. Thank you Islame Smiley
    Suzanne
    http://www.exmuslimsurvey.org/
  • Re: Ex-Muslim Survey
     Reply #110 - April 23, 2011, 11:33 PM
    Watched the first 10 min, good video. Visibility, in the flesh support are good points. I think however tough it is for a gay person or atheist in coming out, it is harder for an ex-Muslim who'll face death threats if active and higher social pain within their own family thanks to the mind virus constructs in Islam.
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  • Re: Ex-Muslim Survey
     Reply #111 - April 23, 2011, 11:46 PM
    Yes, but didnt gays & atheists get death threats in ancient times too?  I think she is fast-forwarding the lessons learned in that struggle to wear they are now, so we can emulate their progress at a faster pace?
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  • Re: Ex-Muslim Survey
     Reply #112 - April 24, 2011, 09:08 PM
    This survey is currently closed. Please contact the author of this survey for further assistance.

    I am sad ;_;



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  • Re: Ex-Muslim Survey
     Reply #113 - April 24, 2011, 09:55 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on April 23, 2011, 11:46 PM
    Yes, but didnt gays & atheists get death threats in ancient times too?  I think she is fast-forwarding the lessons learned in that struggle to wear they are now, so we can emulate their progress at a faster pace?


    Yes but the LGBT issue was more to do with convincing the general public and politicians. With Islam it is about convincing - Muslims.

    Muslims can unfortunately kill for drawing Mohammed or burning a Koran. Ex-Muslims are tightly connected to Muslims they want to change.

    Whereas gay people had to fight the police or the general public, exMuslims have to challenge (and fight) against Muslims ranging from moderate to extreme.

    Changing and persuading Muslims, influenced under the doctrine of Islam, is a lot harder than the general public about gays imo.

    But that said, I think the general perception of Islam with the general public and politicians is wrong too. In that sense, yes, we can learn from LGBT how they did this. Or, quite frankly it will work more directly with the likes Sarkozy taking a stand, showing how certain law enforcement make a difference, and then imitating it here in Britain like the Burka ban.

    Hmmm ..... not saying we can't learn anything of course. Smiley
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  • Re: Ex-Muslim Survey
     Reply #114 - April 24, 2011, 10:31 PM
    Quote from: chris on April 23, 2011, 03:40 PM
    Oh that's right S_C, side with the white female over the white male eh?? Pffff.


    wut?  LMAO!!!! Chris, are you a lonely white male, with no affiliation with anyone
    or anything?  I can assure you being an ex muslim is not the greatest feeling in the
    world, and the only reason we have commradity is b/c we get shunned (or shot at)
    from every side.
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Ex-Muslim Survey
     Reply #115 - April 24, 2011, 10:47 PM
    How will health of a killed out-of-closeter  be measured, btw?
    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: Ex-Muslim Survey
     Reply #116 - April 24, 2011, 11:17 PM
    Quote from: HighOctane on April 24, 2011, 09:55 PM
    Yes but the LGBT issue was more to do with convincing the general public and politicians. With Islam it is about convincing - Muslims.

    Yes, but much of that societal denial was caused by ingrained religious prejudices from yester-year caused by stories of Lot in the Bible too.  The bible in fact comes down harder on homosexuality that the Quran does. We are talking about problems of scale, not necessarily ones that didnt come form the same place. 
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  • Re: Ex-Muslim Survey
     Reply #117 - April 25, 2011, 01:02 PM
    Ah, SuzanneB.. I forgot to mention, those of us who converted
    to Islam, while perhaps family still grudgingly accepted us,
    in my case, I lost some very close friends because of it.
    Even after my apostacy, they refuse to have anything to do
    with me.  Fortunately my closest of friends stayed by my
    side, even if they thought I had gone quite mad   Cheesy
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Ex-Muslim Survey
     Reply #118 - April 25, 2011, 02:48 PM
    Quote from: HighOctane on April 23, 2011, 11:33 PM
    Watched the first 10 min, good video. Visibility, in the flesh support are good points. I think however tough it is for a gay person or atheist in coming out, it is harder for an ex-Muslim who'll face death threats if active and higher social pain within their own family thanks to the mind virus constructs in Islam.

    I came out of Ex-muslim closet right after apostasy. About me being gay, only my brother knows in my family..

    So no, it is not easy to come out as gay to specially a muslim family.. Not at all..
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  • Re: Ex-Muslim Survey
     Reply #119 - April 25, 2011, 03:22 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on April 24, 2011, 11:17 PM
    Yes, but much of that societal denial was caused by ingrained religious prejudices from yester-year caused by stories of Lot in the Bible too.  The bible in fact comes down harder on homosexuality that the Quran does. We are talking about problems of scale, not necessarily ones that didnt come form the same place.  


    Fair point. I'm lacking articulation to make my point that I think Muslims are far harder to convince than a Christian. Averagely speaking piggy
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