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  • Question: Which one (if any) are you more inclined to side with? (Give reasons)
  • Israel - 50 (30.5%)
  • Palestine - 114 (69.5%)
  • Total Voters: 163

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  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #990 - January 10, 2016, 11:35 AM
    Quote from: AGirlWithDoubts on January 10, 2016, 10:58 AM
    You don't see it? Do you even follow the Palestine/Israel conflict closely or do you take the opinions of other commentators to form a judgment?

    Palestinian Christians were active members of the PLO. This group has recently changed its policies but was quite similar to Hamas before that. And from which source did you form the opinion that Druze are "quite happy"?

    As I pointed out earlier before Hamas the Palestians were facing the same treatment and they still do in areas that are under Hamas control, hence not under Islamic rule. So no, I do not believe so.


    Well Yeeze already covered the point about Christians, Atheists Palestinians but still do you have any prove of Christians and Atheists blowing themselves up shouting Jesus is great or GOD is not great? Or any of these too, most recently stabbing civilians?

    How are Israeli Druze unhappy? I don't have your sources, so can you point out some examples?

    Before Hamas they were getting same treatment yes, Islam was then also...
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #991 - January 10, 2016, 11:40 AM
    Quote from: nbhb on January 10, 2016, 11:35 AM
    .....Druze...............


    well when I look at middle east today and what is going on with Sunni/Shia   fools or Hamas/PLO Islamic ROGUES   .. the rogues of Islam from both sides would have eaten Druze alive for their breakfast if there was no Israel .

    hell with all let me watch this..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P6SmD6yBF0
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #992 - January 10, 2016, 11:43 AM
    If they have still joined violent groups and have committed violent acts, why does the way in which they committed these acts and what they said when committing them make much of a difference?

    You made the claim that they were happy, the onus is on you. I simply asked for evidence but did not make a counter-claim.

    "Islam was then also" is a very vague statement, do you mean that the majority were still Muslims back then? This was during a time when secularism was on the rise in the non-Gulf Middle Eastern countries.
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #993 - January 10, 2016, 11:53 AM
    Quote from: AGirlWithDoubts on January 10, 2016, 11:28 AM
    How did I avoid it when I already mentioned a starting point that would work much better than the current tactic? In case you haven't noticed, it is Israel who is illegally seizing Palestinian lands and displacing people by the day so it would look as though Israelis are the ones who would not be satisfied until they have all of the land. Palestinian leaders in the occupied territories have tried attending "peace talks" to come to a compromise but that did not stop their people from being displaced. In the end the only solution would probably be international pressure on both sides, more so on the occupier. This worked for South Africa. And yes, you do show limited understanding when you associated certain groups with regions where they have limited influence or none at all.

    As I mentioned earlier before Hamas was the PLO, which did not consist of Muslims only yet employed the same tactics. Are the attacks on Palestinian civilians due to Judaism? Things are not so simple that they boil down to extreme religious beliefs.


    A staring point is a durable peace solution? Jesus!!!
    Well, you do not show limited understanding, you are clearly disingenuous, by avoiding answering to my questions which are clearly related with getting a peaceful solution for the damn place, at this moment. Which are:

    How do you solve the request of Palestinians for the right of return and Hamas and Hezbollah purpose to wipe out Israel of the map?

    You avoid this, because you know damn well that anything but giving all country will not be accepted by Palestinians. Typically left, crying about, without offering any solution, because there is no one from left point of view which will work out.
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #994 - January 10, 2016, 11:55 AM
    Quote from: AGirlWithDoubts on January 10, 2016, 11:43 AM
    ....................

    You made the claim that they were happy, the onus is on you...............

     well where are the limits to happiness?  there are no limits  dearAGWD..

    let me watch Druze IDF Battalion

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG7PlgPbhZg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Dt4RzIWVnA

    they should have Arab IDF Battalion
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #995 - January 10, 2016, 12:11 PM
    Quote from: AGirlWithDoubts on January 10, 2016, 11:43 AM
    If they have still joined violent groups and have committed violent acts, why does the way in which they committed these acts and what they said when committing them make much of a difference?

    You made the claim that they were happy, the onus is on you. I simply asked for evidence but did not make a counter-claim.

    "Islam was then also" is a very vague statement, do you mean that the majority were still Muslims back then? This was during a time when secularism was on the rise in the non-Gulf Middle Eastern countries.


    Do you have any prove there is any Christian or Atheist Palestinian involved in the recent attacks? Because stabbing some Civilians, knowing you will be killed and become a martyr looks so Islamic. I mean yeeze already addressed your point about Christian involvement.

    About Druze. Because there is no much evidence for the contrary. If you have, please bring it on.

    And Israel is at fault because there is no much secularism right now? As if this doesn't happens worldwide in Islam.
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #996 - January 10, 2016, 12:21 PM
    Quote from: nbhb on January 10, 2016, 11:53 AM
    A staring point is a durable peace solution? Jesus!!!
    Well, you do not show limited understanding, you are clearly disingenuous, by avoiding asking to my questions which are clearly related with getting a peaceful solution for the damn place, at this moment. Which are:

    How do you solve the request of Palestinians for the right of return and Hamas and Hezbollah purpose to wipe out Israel of the map?

    You avoid this, because you know damn well that anything but giving all country will not be accepted by Palestinians. Typically left, crying about, without offering any solution, because there is no one from left point of view which will work out.


    A durable peace solution is something that begins with a starting point, and is not as simple a matter as something to be devised on a message board. Your claim that the Palestinians at present would not accept anything less than the land as a whole is unsupported, and a common excuse used by the right to justify Israel's continuous displacement and subjugation of the Palestianian people. If anything Israel's actions suggest that it Israelis are the ones who will only be satisfied with full control of the territory. Do you have a solution that will put a halt to this illegal expansion? Furthermore half of that question is irrelevant, as you associated particular groups with territories outside of this operation.
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #997 - January 10, 2016, 12:29 PM
    Quote from: nbhb on January 10, 2016, 12:11 PM
    Do you have any prove there is any Christian or Atheist Palestinian involved in the recent attacks? Because stabbing some Civilians, knowing you will be killed and become a martyr looks so Islamic. I mean yeeze already addressed your point about Christian involvement.

    About Druze. Because there is no much evidence for the contrary. If you have, please bring it on.

    And Israel is at fault because there is no much secularism right now? As if this doesn't happens worldwide in Islam.


    I have evidence of Jewish extremists carrying out similar attacks on Palestinian civilians but would not be simplistic enough to boil that down to the teachings of the Torah or the Talmud.

    Regarding Christians there's Chris Al-Bandak, Wadie Haddad. They did not just join the organisation but refrain from participating in violence.

    We're going round in circles now. You made the claim, I did not. You support it.

    But since you mention it, why would you automatically assume that a religious minority that does not have some of the privileges afforded to the majority as per the law of their country is happy without evidence to support this? There is actually a growing number of Druze refusing military service in Israel.
    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/06/druze-refuse-join-israel-military-service-2014622101718885537.html

    Where did I say anything about the fall of secularism meaning that Israel is at fault? Israel's own faults derive from the occupation and illegal expansion. I was making the point that your statement was vague.
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #998 - January 10, 2016, 12:36 PM
    Quote from: AGirlWithDoubts on January 10, 2016, 12:29 PM
    .............. There is actually a growing number of Druze refusing military service in Israel.
    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/06/druze-refuse-join-israel-military-service-2014622101718885537.html...................


    Hello AGWD.. I don't think you read that link carefully  and that is a aljazeera.com propoganda  link..

    Quote
    Haifa, Israel - Orwa Saif, 18, followed in the footsteps of his three older brothers when he turned himself in for the first of several 20-day prison sentences that he will be required to serve as a result of his refusal to serve in Israel's army.

    Like all male Palestinian citizens of Israel from the Druze religious community, Saif, who comes from the Galilee village of Yanuh-Jat, is required to complete three years of military service.  Yet, only days after graduating from high school, Saif made one of the most important decisions in his life.

    "I refused obligatory service because I can't raise a gun against my own people," Saif told Al Jazeera. "I can't raise a gun against any human. I don't want to be a part of any oppression in any place at any time. I am against the army and its occupation."

    Saif joined a growing number of his community who are declaring themselves conscientious objectors and refusing to join Israel's army, which for decades has occupied Palestinian, Lebanese and Syrian lands in defiance of international law.

    Saif is just 18 year old.. Off course he has the rights to refuge to join IDF ., There are plenty of Jewish folks in Israel do the same thing..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #999 - January 10, 2016, 12:46 PM
    Al Jazeera is an internationally recognised paper but I understand that some people do that prefer it. That being said the Times of Israel reports a similar story.
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/from-israels-most-loyal-minority-draft-objectors-emerge/

    And here is another article about a survey conducted by the University of Haifa:
    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/9429-increasing-numbers-of-palestinian-druze-refuse-to-serve-in-israeli-army

    You make a good point about Jewish objectors, Yeezevee. Their reasons are mainly due to an opposition to the occupation, as opposed to facing state discrimination.
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #1000 - January 10, 2016, 01:02 PM
    Still avoiding to answer very important questions? Why I'm not surprised by this...

    I don't have access now to laptop, but later, I will give you some YouTube links about what Palestinians will accept or not.

    So you want to start with Israelis coming back to 67 borders. Israeli getting something from this? After doing this what else Israel should give for peace? Any more land?

    WTF? How is my question about Hamas irrelevant when they claim territories inside Israel?  

    My solution is in this thread. You can go back and read. And I've been criticized for it by many, rightly and wrongly, but at least I gave one.

    Quote from: AGirlWithDoubts on January 10, 2016, 12:21 PM
    A durable peace solution is something that begins with a starting point, and is not as simple a matter as something to be devised on a message board. Your claim that the Palestinians at present would not accept anything less than the land as a whole is unsupported, and a common excuse used by the right to justify Israel's continuous displacement and subjugation of the Palestianian people. If anything Israel's actions suggest that it Israelis are the ones who will only be satisfied with full control of the territory. Do you have a solution that will put a halt to this illegal expansion? Furthermore half of that question is irrelevant, as you associated particular groups with territories outside of this operation.







  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #1001 - January 10, 2016, 01:04 PM
    Quote from: AGirlWithDoubts on January 10, 2016, 12:46 PM
    Al Jazeera is an internationally recognised paper but I understand that some people do that prefer it. That being said the Times of Israel reports a similar story.
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/from-israels-most-loyal-minority-draft-objectors-emerge/

    Quote
    You make a good point about Jewish objectors, Yeezevee. Their reasons(Jews of Israel) are mainly due to an opposition to the occupation, as opposed to facing state discrimination.

     

    well Al Jazeera  started in some time 1996/97.., but this Isreal/Palestine problem is a age old problem., More over whatever is written in the news paper we can not talk everything they write as Truth and nothing but truth..,  the fact that 18 year old says at that link....
    Quote
    "I can't raise a gun against any human. I don't want to be a part of any oppression in any place at any time. .........

     ...means .,his problem is NOT Israel govt discriminating  people of druze faith.,  his problem of refusing to join in IDF is entirely different .

    Anyways you two guys discuss the problem  I have to read Quran.. Cheesy
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #1002 - January 10, 2016, 01:08 PM
    Of course not everything on the news should be accepted as the truth but this article is one of many. And yes, not every Druze who refuses military service have done so because of state discrimination, you are right  Afro
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #1003 - January 10, 2016, 01:11 PM
    There is no point in a few Druze and Jews not enrolling in IDF with Druze doing well in Israel.
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #1004 - January 10, 2016, 01:15 PM
    Quote from: nbhb on January 10, 2016, 01:02 PM
    Still avoiding to answer very important questions? Why I'm not surprised by this...

    I don't have access now to laptop, but later, I will give you some YouTube links about what Palestinians will accept or not.

    So you want to start with Israelis coming back to 67 borders. Israeli getting something from this? After doing this what else Israel should give for peace? Any more land?

    WTF? How is my question about Hamas irrelevant when they claim territories inside Israel?  

    My solution is in this thread. You can go back and read. And I've been criticized for it by many, rightly and wrongly, but at least I gave one.









    YouTube links, my favourite  Grin

    Hopefully these links will cite reliable sources and not just be videos of people saying ugly things because there is plenty of that on both sides  Afro

    What are these importan questions that I'm avoiding? If anything, you avoided my question on why the dismantling of settlements in an area outside of Hamas control would not contribute to peace.

    That land is not internationally recognised as Israel's, I would not call that "giving land" when it was not Israel's to give in the first place. Again this is a tactic I have often come across that Israel apologists use to excuse the illegal land expansion and displacement.

    The only way this will settle is with a just two-state solution. Your objections based on the unsupported assumption that the Palestians would not accept it just goes to show who does not want peace.
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #1005 - January 10, 2016, 01:19 PM
    Druze Demography .. Total on this earth ~ 2 million folks..

    Quote
    Syria   500,000[5]-800,000[6]

     Lebanon   220,000[7]

    Israel   140,000[8]

     Jordan   32,000[9]

     Venezuela   125,000[10]

     United States   43,000[11]

     Canada   23,000[citation needed]

     Australia   19,000[12]


    And how many Juicy jews are there in so-called Islamic countries??

    any one would like to know? well read the first page of this folder..  http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=15908.msg440030#msg440030
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #1006 - January 10, 2016, 01:21 PM
    That's beside the point Yeezevee. I was just wondering whether nbhb could support the claim that Druze are generally "happy" in Israel (bear in mind that I haven't said that they are not).
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #1007 - January 10, 2016, 01:25 PM
    Quote from: AGirlWithDoubts on January 10, 2016, 01:21 PM
    That's beside the point Yeezevee. I was just wondering whether nbhb could support the claim that Druze are generally "happy" in Israel (bear in mind that I haven't said that they are not).

    I must have opposed nbhb some 100times..   but that is No..no,  it is NOT beside the point,

    The point is integrated in to the problem.

    The core Problem of People vs faiths  and  fucking faith heads ........

    religious rules and rulers........
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #1008 - January 10, 2016, 01:47 PM
    Did I said that Jews love Arabs?

    I marked you those questions, if you think thise are not very important for getting a durable peace solution, is not much to say really. Dismantling the settlements in West Bank will not contribute to peace if Hamas will not be part of this process. Like it or not Hamas represents half of population inside Palestine.

    But let's suppose Israel is doing what you say. They will have let's say a peaceful agreement with Fatah.  What then if Hamas wins elections in West Bank.? Which will be very likely with Israel out of the West Bank.

    I mean how stupid do you think Israelis are to make such a dumb thing? I hope you realise that even Fatah doesn't want Israelis to end the occupation because they're fucked.

    Israel has given up land not recognised by them in exchange for peace before.  But giving up for nothing as you suggest, will be entirely foolish.

    Did you read about my solution?
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #1009 - January 10, 2016, 01:56 PM
    The likelihood of Hamas winning an election is based on what? This is another one of your baseless assumptions. As for Hamas, the same approach should be taken as the IRA approach. Refusing to even attempt to include them in talks is not going to make them go away.

    I cannot find your solution, as this thread is very long do please quote it. However you're implying that Israel needs to have the settlements there in case Hamas gains control of the West Bank too. Sounds far-fetched and is again utterly baseless.

    If Fatah does not want Israel to end the occupation then why are they attempting to make a case against Israel at the ICJ and working to gain recognition with the international community? Another baseless claim.

    So this is entirely based on the way that your perceive the conflict without supporting evidence, is it not?
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #1010 - January 10, 2016, 03:06 PM
    Dear AGWD, I really thought you were onto something on this subject but you are really not. See bellow link.

    http://pcpsr.org/en/node/600

    Dear AGWD, sometimes you really read between lines. Where did I said this aberration: However you're implying that Israel needs to have the settlements there in case Hamas gains control of the West Bank too. What is that?

    And do you really think that without Israelis occupation, Fatah will manage to keep power in West Bank? Really? Trust me Fatah needs Israel. And Israel needs them, that's why they keep them...
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #1011 - January 10, 2016, 03:13 PM
    Ohh and I forgot to mention, my solution is the same as yours. Only that imply population exchange as well.
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #1012 - January 10, 2016, 05:05 PM
    Quote from: nbhb on January 10, 2016, 03:06 PM
    Dear AGWD, I really thought you were onto something on this subject but you are really not. See bellow link.

    http://pcpsr.org/en/node/600

    Dear AGWD, sometimes you really read between lines. Where did I said this aberration: However you're implying that Israel needs to have the settlements there in case Hamas gains control of the West Bank too. What is that?

    And do you really think that without Israelis occupation, Fatah will manage to keep power in West Bank? Really? Trust me Fatah needs Israel. And Israel needs them, that's why they keep them...


    I'm well aware that support for parties/organisations with extremist beliefs who will "take a tough stance" is increasing on both sides but maintaining the occupation and the status quo will do nothing to change this. It is far more likely that support for Fatah will grow if Abbas is seen to be making progress rather than if people continue to starved and displaced. Whether Israel likes it or not she has taken a huge blow in the PR war and shutting out dissent continuing to exist in her current state is not going to make Hamas go away or cause public support for the group to dwindle.

    Choosing a government that will protect your interests best and forcefully keeping them in power can only work for so long. It's a strategy that has failed in several other countries and continues to fail.

    I came to that conclusion because you said that dismantling the settlements would have to include Hamas (which I'm aware of) then went on to say that should a peaceful agreement be reached with Fatah, they will struggle to maintain control.
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #1013 - January 10, 2016, 05:30 PM
    I really don't think Israel wants Hamas to go away. I think they are very happy with the current situation with both Fatah and Hamas. As long as they can keep this, they will. It serves well to Israel interests...
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #1014 - January 12, 2016, 06:27 PM
    Quote from: yeezevee on January 10, 2016, 11:30 AM
    'Oh without that I would have solved the problem in two months..may be in two days...  but nbhb . can you read this  http://www.ifamericansknew.org/download/origin_booklet.pdf

    and give me your constructive criticism


    Okay yeeze I have read this and aside for many interesting quotes, I didn't learn something that I didn't already knew. They're right about the  origin of the conflict, although I'm sure that the majority of Jews will not admit this.

    Looking at the conclusion they've reached, there are 2 things that I disagree with: 

    - Besides being the right thing to do, this would stop the sporadic acts of violence against Israel, as the Palestinians’ legitimate desire for their own state would be realized. Palestinians pleased with only Gaza and West Bank? I don't think they really think this and if they think they are extraordinarily naive.

    - Palestinians who wish to return to their ancestral homeland. Inside Israel this is unacceptable.

    Anyways, peace is not possible nowadays ,thirty years ago was, it is too late now.
     
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #1015 - January 21, 2016, 02:18 AM
    This is the most useless,polarizing and annoying thread ever.it should just die. Both pro Israel and pro Palestine folks(Im one of them btw) in this forum would never come to agreement on this conflict ever,even if we all die and rot in our graves.

    Just die.
    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #1016 - January 21, 2016, 10:34 AM
    Don't read it, Cato. I don't.

    (Says man who claims only to have read Cato's post. Yeah RIIIIGHT.)
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #1017 - March 18, 2016, 09:40 AM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_EnxZw2JUI

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h52j6qOdB44


    That attack was carried on a Palestinian family in 2015 who are nothing to do with the problems of Israel/Palestinian by brutal rogues of Judaism who never think on the brutal actions that these faith heads  carryout in defense of their faith.

    these fucking faith heads are same in every faith and they come from all faiths

    I am glad that boy meets his soccer hero
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #1018 - April 13, 2016, 12:00 PM
    Bomb attack kills  General Fathi Zeidan,  Senior Palestinian official in Lebanon says news



    Quote
    SIDON: A car bomb exploded on Tuesday in Lebanon’s southern port city of Sidon, killing at least one person identified as a Palestinian official, a security source said.

    The source said the blast killed Fathi Zeidan, who headed the Fatah movement in the Miye Miye Palestinian refugee camp near Sidon.

    “His identification card was found near the car which exploded, which was also his,” the source said.

    A statement from Lebanon’s armed forces said Zeidan had been driving the car when one kilogramme of explosives hidden inside his vehicle detonated.

    The army’s forensics unit arrived at the scene of the blast and cleared away scorched body parts lying near a car in flames, according to a correspondent at the scene. More than 450,000 Palestinians are registered in Lebanon with the UN agency for Palestinian refugees, and many live in squalid conditions in 12 official camps.
    ............................

    In recent years, tensions have risen between Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas’ Fatah movement and the Jund al-Sham Islamist group, especially in the Ain al-Hilweh camp, which is also near Sidon.

    well kill..kill..kill for the sake of political power is name of the game since beginning of Islam...  Who knows who killed him.. big al knows the best

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEdXT_ckYmg

    Off course it easy to blame Juice and drink juice in the name of perceived persecution Islam following heroes and  SO-CALLED  Prophet of Islam. Funny thing is none of the prophets  mentioned in  Quran are remotely connected to Islam I read in Quran as well as I read in Hadith.
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  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #1019 - May 08, 2016, 05:35 AM
    For me Israel and Palestine debate is a hard one, as a Bangladeshi-Australian. Israel was one of the first few countries to give recognition to an independent Bangladesh, after the liberation war against Pakistan in 1971 [1], before any Islamic countries and USA, who were supporting Pakistan during the conflict. But ironically Bangladesh was one of the first few countries to terminate all economic transactions with Israel, and deny it's legitimacy. A travel ban has also been imposed on Bangladeshis travelling to Israel, and for Israelis coming to visit Bangladesh. A Bangladeshi pro-Israel journalist who tried to travel there was sentenced to 7 years in prison in 2003 [2].

    But today, I think what Israel is in the wrong for the continuous illegal occupation of Palestinian territory, and disproportionate use of force. Palestine also have their hands dirty though. Their support for Hamas needs to stop. I can see why a terrorist group like Hamas is gaining popularity rapidly in Palestine and Gaza- as previously moderate Muslims who lost family members and loved ones in Israeli air strikes might be wanting to take revenge, and backing Hamas is providing them a way to do it. But I strongly believe that nothing justifies terrorism. Furthermore, what Hamas is doing is not only wrong, but it's completely ineffective against Israel's defences. It only results in Israel retaliating strongly and more Palestinian lives are lost. Their current violence approach is completely ineffective, as Israel's defence force is centuries ahead of Palestinians.

    But right now as an atheist who used to be a Muslim, I sympathise with the plight of the Palestinian civilians, but at the same time I recognise Israel as a legitimate state and their rights to defend themselves against terrorist attacks. But I fear antisemitism and anti-Israel propaganda has become widespread among my Bangladeshi/ Muslim Australian friends.

    [1] http://www.jta.org/1972/02/07/archive/israel-recognizes-bangladesh
    [2] http://archive.thedailystar.net/2003/11/30/d3113001088.htm
    Aloha Ackbar
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