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Reply #180 - June 20, 2011, 01:32 PM

Quote from: HighOctane on June 20, 2011, 01:05 PM
Finkelstein on Douglas

... and so on, and so forth with apologies for Islam ...
http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/a-note-of-sanity/ .....

In that above FICKLESTUNT. COM article with all the apologies for Islam there is some truth.. it says
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About 100 miles south of Delhi, where I live, lie the ruins of the Mughal capital, Fateh-pur Sikri. This was built by the Emperor Akbar at the end of the 16th century. Here Akbar would listen carefully as philosophers, mystics and holy men of different faiths debated the merits of their different beliefs in what is the earliest known experiment in formal inter-religious dialogue.

Representatives of Muslims (Sunni and Shi’ite as well as Sufi), Hindus (followers of Shiva and Vishnu as well as Hindu atheists), Christians, Jains, Jews, Buddhists and Zoroastrians came together to discuss where they differed and how they could live together.

Muslim rulers are not usually thought of in the West as standard-bearers of freedom of thought; but Akbar was obsessed with exploring the issues of religious truth, and with as open a mind as possible, declaring: “No man should be interfered with on account of religion, and anyone is to be allowed to go over to any religion that pleases him.” He also argued for what he called “the pursuit of reason” rather than “reliance on the marshy land of tradition”.

That is indeed a fact but one must realize here, That kid king Akbar playing all that goody goody Haram, harem games with hindus sowed the seeds to destroy REAL ISLAM.. Muhammad's Islam.. and that is the reason why Moguls/Muslim rulers could NOT really force all of the people of subcontinent in to Muslims unlike Persia.. Also hindus and Sikhs fought with their tooth and nail the Islamic onslaught on Indian subcontinent

and there is an error in that article
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We have much to be proud of in the West; but it is in the arrogant and forceful assertion of the superiority of western values that we have consistently undermined

That word "Western Values" should be changed to "Bush-Cheney War mongering values"

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Reply #181 - June 20, 2011, 01:39 PM

I mean to say apologist in the sense that goodness of Islam can be traced back in history - but how it applies and exists today is a lot different to the moderate majorities where we have issues due to a broad interpretation evangelized by the likes of Zakir Naik and political Islam.

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Reply #182 - July 27, 2011, 07:15 AM

yeezevee, your my new hero. Thanks for standing up for truth.

Btw. another reason to be pro Israel is that:

•Israel has ~140 scientists and engineers per 10,000 of population, nearly twice as many as the US, and more than twice as many as Japan.
•Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation - 109 per 10,000 people.
•The percentage of Israeli citizens who are university graduates is among the highest in the world.
•Israel is second only to the US in the number of patent applications filed.
•Israel has more than 140 companies listed on NASDAQ - only the U.S. has more.
•The Stent was invented in Israel.
•It is estimated that some 15% of all communications equipment sold around the world comes from Israel.
•The Pentium MMX Chip technology was designed in Israel at Intel.
•Both the Pentium-4 microprocessor and the Centrino processor were entirely designed, developed and produced in Israel.
•Israeli scientists developed the first fully computerized, no-radiation, diagnostic instrumentation for breast cancer
•Israel's Given-Imaging developed the first ingestible video camera, so small it fits inside a pill. Used to view the small intestine from the inside, cancer and digestive disorders.
•The Firewall was invented in Israel
•Drip Irrigation was invented in Israel
•ICQ was invented in Israel
•Both of the leading drugs used to treat MS patients, beta-interferon and copaxone, were invented in Israel.
•Voice over IP was invented in Israel

I support countries that have that level of education and innovation as a general rule.
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Reply #183 - July 27, 2011, 02:19 PM

OMG, VOIP was made in Israel. My world view has been turned upside down.
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Reply #184 - July 27, 2011, 02:32 PM

Why are we given only 2 choices :O

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Reply #185 - July 27, 2011, 02:45 PM

Quote from: ChinaDoll on July 27, 2011, 02:32 PM
Why are we given only 2 choices :O

agreed, why?

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Reply #186 - July 27, 2011, 04:04 PM

Quote from: bitofcarbon on July 27, 2011, 07:15 AM
Btw. another reason to be pro Israel is that:

•Israel has ~140 scientists and engineers per 10,000 of population, nearly twice as many as the US, and more than twice as many as Japan.
•Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation - 109 per 10,000 people.
•The percentage of Israeli citizens who are university graduates is among the highest in the world.
•Israel is second only to the US in the number of patent applications filed.
•Israel has more than 140 companies listed on NASDAQ - only the U.S. has more.
•The Stent was invented in Israel.
•It is estimated that some 15% of all communications equipment sold around the world comes from Israel.
•The Pentium MMX Chip technology was designed in Israel at Intel.
•Both the Pentium-4 microprocessor and the Centrino processor were entirely designed, developed and produced in Israel.
•Israeli scientists developed the first fully computerized, no-radiation, diagnostic instrumentation for breast cancer
•Israel's Given-Imaging developed the first ingestible video camera, so small it fits inside a pill. Used to view the small intestine from the inside, cancer and digestive disorders.
•The Firewall was invented in Israel
•Drip Irrigation was invented in Israel
•ICQ was invented in Israel
•Both of the leading drugs used to treat MS patients, beta-interferon and copaxone, were invented in Israel.
•Voice over IP was invented in Israel

I support countries that have that level of education and innovation as a general rule.

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Reply #187 - July 27, 2011, 04:15 PM

I am for both and for neither. I think palestinians and Israelis should happily agree on a peaceful consensus and live together. It's not impossible, all they got to do is put the past in the past, their religious differences aside, and shake hands.
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Reply #188 - July 27, 2011, 04:36 PM

Exactly that's why I didn't vote. It's Jewish idiots vs. Muslim idiots, and both parties have strong arguments and a lot of BS arguments. The problem started with the Balfour declaration in WW1.

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Reply #189 - July 27, 2011, 04:42 PM

Quote from: Hallakuf on July 27, 2011, 04:36 PM
Exactly that's why I didn't vote. It's Jewish idiots vs. Muslim idiots, and both parties have strong arguments and a lot of BS arguments. The problem started with the Balfour declaration in WW1.

thank you.

both sides are moronic. both believe god gave them the right to the land. Its all BS. the only reason palestinians appear heretical is because they have less money.

any moron that says that israel should be allowed based on its current progress in the science is blinded. Nazi's contributed a lot to modern science why dont we use their methods to find treatments?

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Reply #190 - July 27, 2011, 07:03 PM

Quote from: Hallakuf on July 27, 2011, 04:36 PM
Exactly that's why I didn't vote. It's Jewish idiots vs. Muslim idiots, and both parties have strong arguments and a lot of BS arguments. The problem started with the Balfour declaration in WW1.

Religion has a part to play and unfortunately religious influence has increased because of the rise of Islamic and right wing groups but its still more of a racism thing than a religious thing. Are the Arab Christians of Bethlehem who live under the same conditions as other Arabs "Muslim idiots" ? What about the Christian mayors of places like Nazareth and Ramallah? And don't forget a lot of the top PLO leaders who led the resistance against Israel were Christian and not jihadis.
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Reply #191 - August 02, 2011, 01:48 PM

i support palestine, and always will. Because isreal are commiting atrosities far worse than what happened in the halocaust, but said that i think that the new generations in isreal should stay as they might have a sense of nationality but they shouldnt keep taking land off the innocent palestinians and should come to a comprimise. Isreal should also be punished for what they have done but thats only the government i'm talking about
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Reply #192 - August 02, 2011, 10:30 PM

Umm, "atrocities far worse than what happened in the Holocaust" is a gross exaggeration. I agree Israel goes over the top sometimes, and they should very definitely stop their expansionist policies, but saying what they are doing is worse than the Holocaust simply isn't a sensible assessment.

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Reply #193 - August 02, 2011, 10:39 PM

Now that's the problem I have with this conflict. Both sides are constantly exaggerating each other's deeds.....

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Reply #194 - August 02, 2011, 11:30 PM

In my opinion both parties have good reasons and arguments for wanting 'their land' (back). But bombarding each other doesn't help anyone further. I won't choose one of those parties, I think I would feel responsible for the horrors they do to the other party. Chosing a party is like supporting their war. I am Pro Peace.
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Reply #195 - August 03, 2011, 12:26 AM

Quote from: bitofcarbon on July 27, 2011, 07:15 AM
yeezevee, your my new hero. Thanks for standing up for truth.

Btw. another reason to be pro Israel is that:

•Israel has ~140 scientists and engineers per 10,000 of population, nearly twice as many as the US, and more than twice as many as Japan.
•Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation - 109 per 10,000 people.
•The percentage of Israeli citizens who are university graduates is among the highest in the world.
•Israel is second only to the US in the number of patent applications filed.
•Israel has more than 140 companies listed on NASDAQ - only the U.S. has more.
•The Stent was invented in Israel.
•It is estimated that some 15% of all communications equipment sold around the world comes from Israel.
•The Pentium MMX Chip technology was designed in Israel at Intel.
•Both the Pentium-4 microprocessor and the Centrino processor were entirely designed, developed and produced in Israel.
•Israeli scientists developed the first fully computerized, no-radiation, diagnostic instrumentation for breast cancer
•Israel's Given-Imaging developed the first ingestible video camera, so small it fits inside a pill. Used to view the small intestine from the inside, cancer and digestive disorders.
•The Firewall was invented in Israel
•Drip Irrigation was invented in Israel
•ICQ was invented in Israel
•Both of the leading drugs used to treat MS patients, beta-interferon and copaxone, were invented in Israel.
•Voice over IP was invented in Israel

I support countries that have that level of education and innovation as a general rule.

For similar reasons I hrereby support, in advance, a Japanese invasion of Sierra Leone for the purpose of expelling half the indigenous population and building a modern democratic technologically-advanced ever-expanding Japanese state that discriminates against the remaining indigenous population.
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Reply #196 - August 03, 2011, 04:14 AM

I second the motion. Awesomesauce.

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Reply #197 - August 03, 2011, 05:11 AM

Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on August 03, 2011, 12:26 AM
For similar reasons I hrereby support, in advance, a Japanese invasion of Sierra Leone for the purpose of expelling half the indigenous population and building a modern democratic technologically-advanced ever-expanding Japanese state that discriminates against the remaining indigenous population.

Not to forget that of course many thousands of years ago, the Japenese lived in Sierra Leone and are now returning to reclaim their rights.

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Reply #198 - August 03, 2011, 07:31 AM

^You have misspelled "Japanese".
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Reply #199 - August 10, 2011, 12:28 AM

Quote from: z10 on August 03, 2011, 05:11 AM
Not to forget that of course many thousands of years ago, the Japenese lived in Sierra Leone and are now returning to reclaim their rights.

From who? people who have lived there continuously for centuries?
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Reply #200 - August 10, 2011, 01:07 AM

Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on August 03, 2011, 12:26 AM
For similar reasons I hrereby support, in advance, a Japanese invasion of Sierra Leone for the purpose of expelling half the indigenous population and building a modern democratic technologically-advanced ever-expanding Japanese state that discriminates against the remaining indigenous population.

Make that +2

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Reply #201 - August 10, 2011, 11:34 AM

Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on August 03, 2011, 12:26 AM
For similar reasons I hrereby support, in advance, a Japanese invasion of Sierra Leone for the purpose of expelling half the indigenous population and building a modern democratic technologically-advanced ever-expanding Japanese state that discriminates against the remaining indigenous population.

lol...

Mind you - you are forgetting one crucial point: God gave ~~Palestine~~ Israel to the Jews - no, wait, God just told me he didn't give it to the Jews - he actually gave it to the "Druze" - it was a bad line and they misheard him.
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Reply #202 - August 10, 2011, 01:20 PM

Quote from: pufftodamoon on August 02, 2011, 01:48 PM
Isreal should also be punished for what they have done but thats only the government i'm talking about

How do you punish a government?

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Reply #203 - August 10, 2011, 01:39 PM

^ human rights court, war criminal court etc

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Reply #204 - August 10, 2011, 01:39 PM

^ pay compensation to victims or their relatives, giving homes back to their owners etc

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Reply #205 - August 10, 2011, 01:49 PM

Quote from: Fara7 on August 10, 2011, 01:39 PM
^ human rights court, war criminal court etc

You can't punish a government in a court.
Only individuals that were representative of said government during a given time.
But, unless you're punishing a tyrant who had absolute power, you are not really punishing the government itself but just a symbol of it in the form of a few humans who, probably, are not entirely nor solely responsible.

Quote from: Fara7 on August 10, 2011, 01:39 PM
^ pay compensation to victims or their relatives, giving homes back to their owners etc

And, if a "government" pays compensation to somebody, it's the people themselves who end up paying for it.

What I am trying to criticize here is the notion that "governments" can be guilty of something and can be punished for something, without involving the people themselves.

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Reply #206 - August 11, 2011, 06:15 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmeqYaaZX5E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8L3VEXuFrzQ

Horrible.. Horrible.. terrible juice running over children..

Murderers ZioNazi runs over Palestinian child Dispatch Those Sons of Apes and Pigs to the Hellfire,

Hmm Photographers are right there in that incident,, to take pictures and send it to international news organizations in support Palestine freedom cause.. Where did they come from??

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Reply #207 - August 11, 2011, 01:59 PM

Whatever, the poll shows support for Palestine is 3 times that for Israel.

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Reply #208 - August 11, 2011, 02:08 PM

Quote from: Maya on August 11, 2011, 01:59 PM
Whatever, the poll shows support for Palestine is 3 times that for Israel.

Sure we have 1.5 billion along with millions of left wing infidels.. More left wing infidels than total juice on this earth.

By the way dear Maya, it is NOT Palestinians winning it is Islam winning ..

Take Islam out of that land and people I will make son of Palestinian Muslim President of Israel. And any one who goes for Israel.. *I am going to fire my Guns in all direction"..

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Reply #209 - August 11, 2011, 02:23 PM

Quote from: yeezevee on August 11, 2011, 02:08 PM
Take Islam out of that land and people I will make son of Palestinian Muslim President of Israel.

You don't seriously think that if you only take Islam out of the equation, Israel would be a paradise of peace, equality and brotherhood between Arabs and Jews?

If you said take Islam, Judaism, Christianity and beliefs of racial superiority and God-given-rights - out of the equation - you would be nearer the mark.
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