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Topic: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins

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Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
Reply #120 - September 23, 2011, 05:10 PM

On this MSS show for doctors without borders, PZ myers discusses his experiences with Hamza and co...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LSedQUtMl0

An alternative to religion;

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Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
Reply #121 - September 23, 2011, 05:37 PM

Quote from: strangestdude on September 12, 2011, 06:19 PM
The miraculous ambiguity of the Quran.

I missed that first time round.

Great turn of phrase, SD.
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Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
Reply #122 - September 23, 2011, 05:54 PM

lol at Hamza claiming that PZ telling him to shut up over twitter infinged his freedom of speech.

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Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
Reply #123 - October 20, 2011, 09:47 AM

according to Hamza, the verse says the following:

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We created man from an essence of clay, then We placed him as a drop of fluid in a safe place. Then We made that drop of fluid into a clinging form, and then We made that form into a lump of flesh, and We made that lump into bones, and We clothed those bones with flesh, and later We made him into other forms. Glory be to God the best of creators.”

http://www.hamzatzortzis.com/?page_id=61

Notice that it no longer states that bones are formed and then clothed in flesh
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Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
Reply #124 - October 20, 2011, 10:05 AM

They claimed they were going to stick with the original "And then" because it would be dishonest to change it.

Was that on facebook? I don't recall.

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Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
Reply #125 - October 20, 2011, 10:09 AM

it's on his own (new) website. I no longer follow him on facebook. i didnt want to be one of his 'likes'

http://www.hamzatzortzis.com/?page_id=61
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Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
Reply #126 - October 20, 2011, 10:11 AM

Quote from: dr_sloth on October 20, 2011, 10:09 AM
it's on his own website.
http://www.hamzatzortzis.com/?page_id=61

Hmm more threads on tortilla ., so why not club this thread and that one

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Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
Reply #127 - October 20, 2011, 10:16 AM

don't know about FB, but .. to change anything concerning Islam can be considered "bidah" or innovation and that's a big no, no.. haram!
Quote from: TheRationalizer on October 20, 2011, 10:05 AM
They claimed they were going to stick with the original "And then" because it would be dishonest to change it.

Was that on facebook? I don't recall.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV9vdUjuWxc
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Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
Reply #128 - October 20, 2011, 10:32 AM

Quote from: David on September 23, 2011, 05:37 PM
I missed that first time round.

Great turn of phrase, SD.

Thanks.

An alternative to religion;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2nfXfTg92E

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Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
Reply #129 - October 20, 2011, 10:36 AM

Quote from: dr_sloth on October 20, 2011, 10:09 AM
it's on his own (new) website. I no longer follow him on facebook. i didnt want to be one of his 'likes'

http://www.hamzatzortzis.com/?page_id=61

It's not that status. There was an earlier one where he announced they are doing in-depth study and that he intends to stick with the initial claim that flesh comes after bones. Do you know where that statement is?

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Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
Reply #130 - October 20, 2011, 10:37 AM

Keep 'em coming, SD.
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Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
Reply #131 - October 20, 2011, 10:46 AM

Quote from: TheRationalizer on October 20, 2011, 10:36 AM
he announced they are doing in-depth study and that he intends to stick with the initial claim that flesh comes after bones. Do you know where that statement is?

it rings a bell, but i dont know. As you know, he has been known to delete comments (and now even things in the quran)
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Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
Reply #132 - October 20, 2011, 10:50 AM

The skype "ping" just before 7:00 in the video was me :-)

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Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
Reply #133 - October 20, 2011, 11:06 AM

Quote from: David on October 20, 2011, 10:37 AM
Keep 'em coming, SD.

Dunno bout that

An alternative to religion;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2nfXfTg92E

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Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
Reply #134 - October 20, 2011, 11:36 AM

Quote from: dr_sloth on October 20, 2011, 10:46 AM
it rings a bell, but i dont know. As you know, he has been known to delete comments (and now even things in the quran)

I have just gone through every comment on every post since June 1st and the comment is no longer there. If it did used to be there then it is a shame he has deleted it, because I was going to use it to bite him in the ass

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Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
Reply #135 - October 20, 2011, 11:43 AM

Quote from: TheRationalizer on October 20, 2011, 11:36 AM
I have just gone through every comment on every post since June 1st and the comment is no longer there. If it did used to be there then it is a shame he has deleted it, because I was going to use it to bite him in the ass

It was never there, coz it was all just Syaitan playing tricks with your mind
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Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
Reply #136 - October 20, 2011, 11:45 AM

I am 100% certain he said it. I clearly remember being surprised that he was going to try to convince us that Myers was wrong on embryology rather than that the translation of the Arabic was wrong.

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Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
Reply #137 - October 20, 2011, 01:37 PM

this is going to be the amazing new information that made him say that the quran is even more accurate than they thought before. i.e, the quran knows that bones and flesh form simultaneously.
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Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
Reply #138 - October 21, 2011, 06:50 PM

Hamza will be doing a presentation on Embryology in the Quran on 11th Nov in Cardiff... http://www.hamzatzortzis.com/?p=434

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Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
Reply #139 - October 21, 2011, 09:39 PM

He's announced it something like 10 times now. How about actually releasing the bloody thing?

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Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
Reply #140 - October 26, 2011, 05:03 PM

lol they forgot to put 'pseudo' in the flyer
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