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 Topic: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets

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  • The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     OP - October 31, 2011, 09:55 PM

    Most English Defence League members, a Demos survey suggests, are keyboard warriors who have yet to go on a march.


    Only a quarter of EDL 'fans' on Facebook have travelled to a national demonstration such as the one pictured in Luton. Photograph: Dan Kitwood/Getty Images


    On Saturday Birmingham city centre was shut down because the English Defence League were in town, marching, chanting, and doing quite a lot of drinking. The unsuspecting city visited by a rag-tag of thugs and football hooligans bent on disturbing the peace has become part of the antisocial calendar.

    But to dismiss the group as modern blackshirts is a mistake. In fact, the EDL is more accurately described as a Facebook group with a militant wing. Behind the 500 or so that hit the streets this weekend exists a much larger, highly motivated online community of thousands of sympathisers and supporters who set the mood music, recruit, proselytise and organise. Like every group founded in the Facebook era – UK Uncut being one example – social media is written into its DNA.

    To understand the EDL requires looking past the militant wing and peering into its online world, because that is where most of the action is. The heartbeat of the movement is its Facebook group, with its 30,000 or so fans. Not content with colonising our social lives, Facebook is also transforming our political ones. It has flipped the notion of group membership on its head, because the barriers to entry are so low. Whereas the British National Party maintains exclusivity through formal lists and subscription fees, the EDL is the opposite: click "like" and you're in. For the group's leaders, this skittish self-selection membership scheme means more numbers to bully people with, but less control over what your supporters say or do. This includes filling in an online survey – including one from Demos, which well over 1,000 did.

    Our report – Inside the EDL – shows quite a different picture from the one we're accustomed to. EDL supporters are actually a mixed bunch, ranging from the committed peaceful democrat demanding that gay people be spared the horrors of sharia law courts all the way, it is alleged, to Anders Breivik, the Norwegian terrorist who murdered 77 people in July. Sometimes, this means supporters betray the official party line. Although BNP members are not formally welcomed into the EDL, one third of its supporters voted for them at the last election. But equally, the racist vitriol found in its chaotic online chatrooms or chanted at demonstrations obscure more thoughtful and moderate elements. Overall, what defines them is not a violent hatred towards all Muslims – though that exists – but pessimism about the UK's future and worries about immigration and high levels of joblessness. This is tied together with a pride in Britain, British history and values, which they see as being under attack from Islam. (Hardly surprising when much of the rightwing press reports that they are.) Their frustration at an out-of-touch, spineless liberal elite is palpable. While some find the chance of a Saturday afternoon punch-up too good to miss, the majority disavow violence.

    The EDL's melange of virtual and real activism is characteristic of the way millions of young people now relate to politics. It shares organisational genes – and admittedly little else – with the OccupyLSX movement camped outside St Paul's Cathedral. This nascent, messy and more ephemeral form of protest perplexes the security services because no one knows whether people in the real world do what they threaten in the digital one. Although they have collected social media data since the 2009 G20 summit, the police were left floundering and "overwhelmed", as they put it, by "the chitter chatter" of the student demonstrations and the London riots. Faced with an ocean of conversation threads, idle threats and anonymous bravado, they were unable to separate the significant from the irrelevant.

    Reading the social media buzz in the build-up to the weekend's demonstration, one might have reasonably concluded that thousands were about to descend on the Midlands. In the event, there were fewer than 500. This is because, far from being an enormous mobile street army, the overwhelming majority of the EDL's Facebook fans are actually not that active at all. Around a quarter are "trolls" (internet slang for an infiltrator intent on sowing discord), spies, police officers, the vaguely curious and probably a few journalists. Of those that remain, only a quarter have travelled any distance for a national demonstration – the stuff we associate with them – while almost as many spend time leafleting, flash-mobbing at local landmarks, and even issuing legal challenges (often against mosques).

    Most are keyboard warriors who limit themselves to sharing web links to stories and generally whipping themselves into a state of digital apoplexy. This is why, despite the noise and numbers, the group never mobilises more than a couple of thousand people – a scary sight if they advance on your town, but hardly sufficient to shake the nation.

    Online activism – "clicktivism" – is a powerful agent of change, and we still do not know how powerful. The EDL, at least for now, remains mostly online. That is probably for the best. But it is worth trying to understand and respond to some of the concerns of this small army of virtual supporters, because that could easily change.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/oct/30/edl-heart-facebook
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #1 - October 31, 2011, 09:57 PM

    clicktivism? Grin No no, it's called slacktivism.
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #2 - October 31, 2011, 09:57 PM

    Erectile Dysfunction League

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #3 - October 31, 2011, 10:00 PM

    Eating Dick League
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #4 - October 31, 2011, 11:15 PM

    Endemically Dull Losers
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #5 - October 31, 2011, 11:21 PM

    World's crappest pseudo-punk band: Anti Nowhere League - I Hate People.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvCbzfieLLA&feature=related
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #6 - October 31, 2011, 11:47 PM

    Yes yes lets all have a go at the EDL, personally after reading the quoran, hadiths and looking the big fucking dangerous mess islam is, I prefer thousands of EDL than a single koranic animal.
    Now you can also have a go at me, and call me all sort of names.
     But you know what? I'm european and very proud that my culture is not islamic. I find that although you are exmuslims you completely fail to see the point of view of the NATIVE EUROPEANS, we have had islam forced in our lifes through recent boom inmigration, and no WE DON'T WANT ISLAM FOR OUR GRANDCHILDREN . Is that so difficult to understand? And by the way i'm not british.
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #7 - October 31, 2011, 11:52 PM

    DH?
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #8 - November 01, 2011, 12:22 AM

    Yes yes lets all have a go at the EDL, personally after reading the quoran, hadiths and looking the big fucking dangerous mess islam is, I prefer thousands of EDL than a single koranic animal.
    Now you can also have a go at me, and call me all sort of names.
     But you know what? I'm european and very proud that my culture is not islamic. I find that although you are exmuslims you completely fail to see the point of view of the NATIVE EUROPEANS, we have had islam forced in our lifes through recent boom inmigration, and no WE DON'T WANT ISLAM FOR OUR GRANDCHILDREN . Is that so difficult to understand? And by the way i'm not british.

     Cheesy

    fuck off
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #9 - November 01, 2011, 05:05 AM

    Yes yes lets all have a go at the EDL, personally after reading the quoran, hadiths and looking the big fucking dangerous mess islam is, I prefer thousands of EDL than a single koranic animal.
    Now you can also have a go at me, and call me all sort of names.
     But you know what? I'm european and very proud that my culture is not islamic. I find that although you are exmuslims you completely fail to see the point of view of the NATIVE EUROPEANS, we have had islam forced in our lifes through recent boom inmigration, and no WE DON'T WANT ISLAM FOR OUR GRANDCHILDREN . Is that so difficult to understand? And by the way i'm not british.


    Wrong forum, cunt.

    Here ya go..
    http://www.stormfront.org/forum/f95/

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #10 - November 01, 2011, 05:11 AM

    Reading Jesus call someone a cunt: Cheesy Afro
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #11 - November 01, 2011, 05:14 AM

    Wrong forum, cunt.

    Here ya go..
    http://www.stormfront.org/forum/f95/

     Cheesy
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #12 - November 01, 2011, 09:38 AM

    Cheesy

    fuck off

    Thank you, you prove my point
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #13 - November 01, 2011, 09:42 AM

    Yes yes lets all have a go at the EDL, personally after reading the quoran, hadiths and looking the big fucking dangerous mess islam is, I prefer thousands of EDL than a single koranic animal.
    Now you can also have a go at me, and call me all sort of names.
     But you know what? I'm european and very proud that my culture is not islamic. I find that although you are exmuslims you completely fail to see the point of view of the NATIVE EUROPEANS, we have had islam forced in our lifes through recent boom inmigration, and no WE DON'T WANT ISLAM FOR OUR GRANDCHILDREN . Is that so difficult to understand? And by the way i'm not british.


    So we must become haters in order to understand your perspective?

    Hypocrite, I see no attempt from you to understand our perspective either.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #14 - November 01, 2011, 09:44 AM

    Hypocrite? Why? Because I don't want islam around me?
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #15 - November 01, 2011, 09:45 AM

    Reading Jesus call someone a cunt: Cheesy Afro


    Great, you he me cunt, I thought you reserve that name for others...
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #16 - November 01, 2011, 09:46 AM

    Wrong forum, cunt.

    Here ya go..
    http://www.stormfront.org/forum/f95/

    I'm not a white supremacist you cunt
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #17 - November 01, 2011, 09:48 AM

    Hypocrite? Why? Because I don't want islam around me?


    No.  How on earth did you get that out of being called a hypocrite?

    I mean you coming on here and saying we don't understand the European perspective even though we are ex muslims.

    Which makes you a hypocrite because you have made no attempt to understand how difficult an ex muslim's perspective is, where we love our freedom and have embraced values other than Islam, but love our family and do not think chasing them out of the country for being unwanted immigrants is right.

    Can you even begin to understand that? 

    Your accusation would suggest you don't.


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #18 - November 01, 2011, 10:01 AM

    At least you didn't insult me like the others...
    I'm talking about islam as a religion and ideology. In which I'm as a non muslim I'm considered...well you all know what. But not only me, also MY FAMILY as well, and MY FRIENDS, and everybody basically. I understand the horrible position you all are in, tears people and families, must be ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE, but I also think about the whole picture. Sorry if I offend anybody, but islam is a cancer in a society, for muslims and for non muslims.
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #19 - November 01, 2011, 10:04 AM

    Hypocrite? Why? Because I don't want islam around me?


    On the evidence so far, it would be an extremely nuanced EDL protester who would bother to look beyond one's appearance before hooting like some demented owl. Perhaps they do exist, but they're hardly what you'd call a majority; if they're a significant minority, then the EDL has an image problem that they're in no hurry to fix.

    If you want the knuckle-draggers as bedfellows, fine, but don't be surprised if you get a negative reaction here.
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #20 - November 01, 2011, 10:08 AM

    hey but remember that muslim supporter of the edl?

     Cheesy
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #21 - November 01, 2011, 10:09 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0kL_URt4uo

    And what a charming chap he was, too.
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #22 - November 01, 2011, 10:13 AM

    he's so cute, reminds me of mr bean. Cheesy
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #23 - November 01, 2011, 10:14 AM

    At least you didn't insult me like the others...
    I'm talking about islam as a religion and ideology. In which I'm as a non muslim I'm considered...well you all know what. But not only me, also MY FAMILY as well, and MY FRIENDS, and everybody basically.


    It is true that Islam sees you as nothing if you are not a muslim, but not all muslims do.  When I was a muslim I never thought badly of non muslims, or treated anybody badly.  Many of us ex muslims here were never horrible muslims to others, and you can be sure that many many more muslims out there also don't have the sickening attitude of the truely nasty believers.

    But I agree, Islam sees you as nothing.  The idealogy itself.

    Quote

     I understand the horrible position you all are in, tears people and families, must be ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE, but I also think about the whole picture. Sorry if I offend anybody, but islam is a cancer in a society, for muslims and for non muslims.


    That is right, I am glad you see that.  It's not just you guys who are becoming new victims to Islam, but muslims themselves who are victims to it.

    Which is something the EDL doesn't see.  They claim to be against Islam but are just against muslims, especially brown muslims.

    I've been confronted by an EDL member before, who was holding a bottle like he was going to hit me and my friend.  I wasn't even a muslim, I was a brown girl coming home from a nightclub (which is hardly a mosque) being confronted aggressively and asked if I was a muslim.

    It's the idealogy they hate as much as the people.

    For us, we hate the ideology, and only some of the people, like the truly fanatical types who we all want to punch and get rid of.


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #24 - November 01, 2011, 10:25 AM

    it's so ironic when someone says they don't want islamic culture so they should kick all muslims out. how is that different from the intolerance taught by islam? it's just the other side of the coin, us vs them, etc. how simplistic, every person who reads the quran is an "animal" and wants to destroy your culture. Roll Eyes
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #25 - November 01, 2011, 10:31 AM

    "If you want the knuckle-draggers as bedfellows, fine, but don't be surprised if you get a negative reaction here"

    I'm not a full supporter of them, but as I said before, I prefer EDL than a quoranic animal. If they have any racist (do they?) ideology I don't obviously share that, and they must stop that because that ruins the whole point and it's disgusting.
    But between supremacist islam and a society minus islam, well....I don't want dhimmis in the world and I don't want muslims having being brainwashed with shit.
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #26 - November 01, 2011, 10:34 AM

    if i were given a choice between islamic fundamentalism or edl i'd rather kill myself.
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #27 - November 01, 2011, 10:36 AM

    it's so ironic when someone says they don't want islamic culture so they should kick all muslims out. how is that different from the intolerance taught by islam? it's just the other side of the coin, us vs them, etc. how simplistic, every person who reads the quran is an "animal" and wants to destroy your culture. Roll Eyes


    Sorry, but is islam the FIRST attacking the rest of world for their religion or beliefs or lack of . Quoran is like a war manual, constantly praising muslims against the "infidels"....
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #28 - November 01, 2011, 10:37 AM

    look, ive lived in a muslim society and i know how oppressive it is, but most muslims don't give a crap about taking over the world. that's just a fact.
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #29 - November 01, 2011, 10:40 AM

    Well thank god for that, the next step for them would be opening their eyes to the thruth of islam
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