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 Topic: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O

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  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #30 - January 12, 2012, 07:50 AM

    Oh man, that is so fucked up!!  wacko I've never heard anything like that before but it wouldn't surprise me if such an attitude was prevalent among ultra conservative societies in general.

  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #31 - January 12, 2012, 11:47 AM

    I hope she was being funny!  wacko


    Nope! She was so serious. Actually I was talking about how women can live without sex,while men can't(trying to prove that women don't need to get married). Somehow she ended up talking about how women shouldn't show they're enjoying sex lol I'm glad we rarely talk about sex. That was depressing even if I don't plan on getting married.

    No I doubt she was.

    Cos I was married to someone who would lose his erection quick smart if it even seemed like I was overly into it.

    He liked to feel it was more of a conquering situation, rather than a 2 way exchange.

    My grandmother also advised me on how to deal with sex and in her eyes I should just close my eyes and think of 'allah' because it was horrible and no good woman really enjoyed that.

    My step mother also once confessed to me (and I am scarred for life now) that she was pleased my father liked her to enjoy sex, since most men didn't.  (I seriously did not need to know that Grin  )




    If that's how most men think, I don't know why girls would still wanna get married. This kind of man should be a turn off by himself.
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #32 - January 14, 2012, 11:59 PM

    And whatever happened to just being fuck buddies?

    (Clicky for piccy!)


    You're using the kid in my avatar. -.-


    Anyways, I do think women and men can be friend and I find this video very stupid because the interviewer is asking questions to young adults who come from the same economical class, and probably the same upbringing and so what do you get? The same answers. 

    Some close friends of mine are male, and one of them is gay, which is even worse in the eyes of Muslims.  My step-uncle's reaction would be something like this:  finmad

    Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.~Albert Einstein

    Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws. ~Plato
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #33 - January 26, 2012, 03:56 PM

    Oh man, this video. I have gotten so many headaches seeing it posted all over facebook and the subsequent Muslim pep-rallies that follow. I agree wholeheartedly with many of the points made in this thread.

    1- We don't know what was not included in the final cut. I'm sure we've all seen the videos where a handful of halfwits are interviewed on the streets who don't know the first thing about Geography and therefore ALL Americans are halfwits. In fact, the whole "therefore factor" (as I like to call it) is one of the biggest gripes I have with dogmatic people. (Women shouldn't be nude, therefore Islam. I don't understand science, therefore God. I'm uncomfortable with sex, therefore hijab.)

    2- How is this in any way a good sample representing the world's population? A handful of ~20 year old douchebag bros and bumbling blondes on a college campus? Give me a break.

    3- There isn't even a clear cut understanding and well defined and accepted meaning of what "friendship" is, at least in this context. At what point does the friendship become invalidated by someone's thought? Is it only sexual thoughs that invalidate friendships? How do they even invalidate friendships in the first place? What if the dude isn't attracted to the girl, but the girl is attracted to the guy?

    4- This video further demonizes man as a dirty vile creature with rape and violence composing 95% of his mental capacity, only kept in check by the strong arm of the law; and also creates the woman as the naive bumblimg bimbo, oblivious to the world around her and ready to do a quick nip-slip to the professor if it means getting an extra 5 points to pass undergraduate English.

    5- I may be off here, but I feel that things like this only further drive point number 4 into everyone's head and especially since Allah said so, it must be true. Eventually, man DOES become some sort of mental serial rapist and creates for himself this necessity to be segregated from women. The virtues of self control, discipline, and morality are stripped away so that we become convinced of our imaginary disease and ask for the imaginary cure.

    6- These black and white situations offer no room for exception, and even within these exceptions it brings into question the true motives of all parties involved, including the self.

    7- Then there is the whole issue of taking the easy quick fix, rather than just telling men not to rape women in the first place. (But Allah created the men to have these rapist impulses, so how is it our place to question the nature of his creation Cheesy)
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #34 - February 04, 2012, 02:51 PM

    The thing is from what I read in the comments,women were more likely to disagree with the video,unlike men.

    Too true…
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #35 - February 04, 2012, 06:22 PM

    are you kidding

    im friends with like every girl i know,

    im always in this fucking situation:






    "The words that oscillate between nonsense and supreme meaning are the oldest and truest." - C.G. Jung
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #36 - February 04, 2012, 06:24 PM

    So you want to be more than friends, right? So… men and women CAN’T be friends, yeah?
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #37 - February 04, 2012, 06:30 PM

    are you kidding

    im friends with like every girl i know,

    im always in this fucking situation:


    (Clicky for piccy!)
    (Clicky for piccy!)
    (Clicky for piccy!)


    Hmmm   It sounds saleri is turning in to Lettuce., I am of the opinion only Lettuce will be in that fucking position all the time..   saleri can never be that away., saleri is very selective by nature., it is a tricky veg..   lol...

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #38 - February 04, 2012, 06:40 PM

    So you want to be more than friends, right? So… men and women CAN’T be friends, yeah?





    you know what

    being gay would be the best

    i could fuck whenever i wanted to almost, i have a gay friend and he is like

    "gay people just see each other and fuck away"

    "The words that oscillate between nonsense and supreme meaning are the oldest and truest." - C.G. Jung
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #39 - February 04, 2012, 06:47 PM

    I think that sometimes… it’s just the whole gay sex thing puts me off a little .
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #40 - February 04, 2012, 06:48 PM

    huh!

    THATS IT!

    CONVERT TO GAYISM!

    FORGET WOMEN, THEY BITCHES WHO DONT WANT SEXIN


    "The words that oscillate between nonsense and supreme meaning are the oldest and truest." - C.G. Jung
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #41 - February 04, 2012, 06:49 PM

    ^ I thought the problem is that they DO want sexin’…

    …just not with the likes of us you?
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #42 - February 04, 2012, 06:52 PM

    ......






    this is true....











    "The words that oscillate between nonsense and supreme meaning are the oldest and truest." - C.G. Jung
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #43 - February 04, 2012, 07:59 PM

    Cos I was married to someone who would lose his erection quick smart if it even seemed like I was overly into it.


    I honestly didn't know that was possible.

    There's nothing like feeling and seeing a women orgasm during sex.  mysmilie_977

  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #44 - February 04, 2012, 10:12 PM

    Think it depends on the people in question.  Some men and women can't be friends because they were raised in a way that went on to make mixed friendships slightly awkward for them and some people find it easier because they have always been around the opposite sex in that easy way in the first place. 

    Islam seperates the sexes and then asks the question, without realising that it created the question in the first place. 



    totally. plus it reinforces men and women to be raised in a way that they have nothing in common. (this is at least partially true in western society too.) the way women and men are stereotyped in western society often reinforces this binary between men and women, and it can be hard to get over even stiff. not to mention that in muslim societies after not seeing a woman for years they will want to fuck any woman that comes close to them.
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #45 - February 04, 2012, 10:16 PM

    waisay, my (second) best friend is a dude and there are absolutely no feelings either way.
    that being said, I am banging my best friend  dance
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #46 - February 04, 2012, 10:25 PM

    I’m sure Waisay SAYS there are no feelings that way… But do you honestly think if you let it develop further (and if, obviously, there were no consequences, e.g. you weren’t married, etc.) that he would stop it?
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #47 - February 04, 2012, 10:50 PM

    yes I am certain.

    (also: waisay is not the name of my friend, it is the urdu form of the phrase, "by the way" haha I don't know why I have picked it up!)
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #48 - February 04, 2012, 11:05 PM

    totally. plus it reinforces men and women to be raised in a way that they have nothing in common. (this is at least partially true in western society too.) the way women and men are stereotyped in western society often reinforces this binary between men and women, and it can be hard to get over even stiff. not to mention that in muslim societies after not seeing a woman for years they will want to fuck any woman that comes close to them.



    I dont think so, considering the multitude of muslim couples getting married at an early age nowadays and i dont see how possible this can happen in a muslim society. Had it been you meant generally not specifically muslim society then its plausible.

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #49 - February 04, 2012, 11:11 PM

    waisay is not the name of my friend, it is the urdu form of the phrase, "by the way"

    Oh yeah, I know the word you’re talking about Smiley.
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #50 - February 04, 2012, 11:46 PM

    besides, half the world at least is probably bi to some extent. so does this mean almost no one can be "just friends"?
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #51 - February 05, 2012, 03:03 AM

    totally. plus it reinforces men and women to be raised in a way that they have nothing in common. (this is at least partially true in western society too.) the way women and men are stereotyped in western society often reinforces this binary between men and women, and it can be hard to get over even stiff. not to mention that in muslim societies after not seeing a woman for years they will want to fuck any woman that comes close to them.


    I don't really agree with what you're saying here. Perhaps you could clarify.

    However my thought is men and women could very easily have common interest regardless of culture Islam or the West.

    I was young, a teenager nearly 18, when I left the Islamic area of Java and was returned to the USofA to attend college. Anyhow while living in Indonseia and attending an Islamic high school I had friends who were boys. These would not have been friendships to the same level as my American counterparts. The is though the boys and girls had things to talk about. Movies, music, world news, dreams of the future and any number of other things.

    At college in the USofA I was very taken back at the relationship of men and women in public. For the most part topics of convervation are not much changed just th nature of how they occur.

    Now, many years laters, I find no difficulty due to culture in conversation with men.
     

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #52 - February 05, 2012, 06:36 AM

    I am more referring to gender binaries at a young age, where boys are taught to play princess and shop, boys are taught to play with guns and like sports, not saying that this always the case, but it is a stereotype you often see in movies (i.e. the "boys night out" is an all-male party centred around getting wasted and getting pussy, women's night out is sex in the city style gossip and shoe shopping).

    It is of course not like this at all in my social circle (and as much as I hate to sound arrogant, more intelligent social circles), though just flip through a maxim or a cosmo and I'm sure it will reinforce the idea that men and women just cannot be friends, and have nothing in common.
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #53 - February 05, 2012, 06:49 AM

    Ok, just wanted more clarification on that one and true i agree with how the media plays the role in reinforcing that view which does more harm than benefit. Social Construct, right?

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #54 - February 05, 2012, 12:13 PM

    I am more referring to gender binaries at a young age, where boys are taught to play princess and shop, boys are taught to play with guns and like sports


    Starts even earlier, in my experience: blue for a boy, pink for a girl…
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #55 - February 18, 2012, 12:28 AM

    Hello,
    Friendship is not only because of feelings or what we have but because of understanding,sharing and caring.friendship does not think distance,age or even colour.friendship is not just playing or chatting with each other.but friendship is hearing each others voice from the heart.A friend is a gift from God.someone who will cares as much as i do.i have read your profile and i became interested in you and i will like to know you more,i am lorenna ,i want to be your friend
    please mail on (khadytoure23@yahoo.com) then i will send you my picture and as well tell you more about me.
    hope to hear from you soonest.
    thanks. khady
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #56 - February 18, 2012, 12:32 AM

    ^ You gave your email address! Spammage in 3… 2… 1… pornblitz!
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #57 - March 07, 2012, 06:17 AM

    I find it annoying how some people automatically think that you're unintelligent just because you go along with the 'gender biasing', that is if a woman loves shoe shopping and fashion/style, she can't at the same time be intelligent...  Roll Eyes

    There's a girl on my programme, she reads girly magazines, but she's clearly intelligent, she's doing a PhD in engineering, medical physics/engineering to be specific.

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #58 - March 07, 2012, 05:54 PM

    I find it annoying how some people automatically think that you're unintelligent just because you go along with the 'gender biasing', that is if a woman loves shoe shopping and fashion/style, she can't at the same time be intelligent...  Roll Eyes

    There's a girl on my programme, she reads girly magazines, but she's clearly intelligent, she's doing a PhD in engineering, medical physics/engineering to be specific.


    Really?
    Not that you find that annoying but that you would really incounter that many people who felt that way.

    Don't you find that most people understand complex nature of people, their interests, goals, and abilities.

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #59 - March 07, 2012, 06:31 PM

    I have no problem with women who are into shopping and fashion/style as long as they are not going to depend on my earnings or income for that.

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
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