Yeah, silly me. Me saying I have no argument against consenting adults doing what they want to each other, is in fact me proposing an entire ideology that literally undermines individuality and freedom.
Yes, it is, at least in your case. Step through the looking glass, the truth is stranger than fiction.
But of course, your offhand admittance that you'd restrict things for others merely on the grounds of you not liking those things is not at all detrimental to individuality and freedom.
Yes, I want to ban things (like slavery, government/corporate/otherwise spying, corporate marketing and advertising, prisons, compulsion to work) that are detrimental to people's individuality and personal freedom. Oh my god, the horror...
The fact that you don't strikes me as rather terrifying.
How could I have let that one fly right over my head? It certainly says a lot about me that I missed it.
Now you're finally getting it.
I know you want to keep saying chattel slavery is an example of an eventuality if consenting adults are left to their own devices, but you have to actually consider what is on the table here and what you possess to bargain with. For a start, your exemplar would have to be a form of agreement between two or more adults that does not involve enslavement and yet still retains enough wrongness to be objectionable. Slavery, by definition, removes the capacity of a slave to implement their terms. The 'slave' would have to retain agency to the degree that it doesn't really make sense to call it slavery at all. I challenge the idea that voluntary slavery is the correct wording of a possible thing under these terms. I think it's lazy, colloquial wording that, when taken literally, lacks correct insight into what is actually occurring.
Who's to say, I, the owner of my own body, cannot voluntarily give myself as chattel, stipulating in a contract or legal document that once I agree to this, it's final, I am now chattel who cannot leave even if I change my mind, and this shall now be a legal document and that I'm now owned by someone else, who can sell me and use me as they see fit? If I am of sane mind, and fully understand the conditions, why cannot I agree to this? Are you restricting what I do with my own body?
You'd also have to consider other legalities that intersect with the basic set up and that erode the potential badness of the set up, such as minimum wage, laws prohibiting physical abuse, laws against wrongful killing, laws against children defaulting to service, immigration laws, tax, pensions, etc. In light of these things, can any such exemplar be considered chattel slavery? The 'slave' would always have legal recourse to effect the law of the land.
I'm not sure you understand my example. I mean it's cute (and I don't mean this in a demeaning fashion) that you bring these up, but imagine this: an indentured servitude contract (not slavery) that waves these away? But even in say, British American indentured servitude, there were myriad protections and laws that defended indentured chattel, what's your point? You're still a servant. In the Roman Empire, there were laws protecting slaves. In many societies slaves could even sue their master for redress of grievances. You were still a slave.
I'd like if you would answer my question though, if you had a son or daughter who needed money and help that you could not provide, decided to sign an indentured servitude contract that stipulated they had to do their full duty until it expired, say seven years (that was the typical time these contracts ended) but until then, they're their masters bitch, and they can even be sold away to be someone else's servant for the remainder of the contract. This of course was a common phenomenon, so who are you to oppose it being re-legalized? They're just consenting adults.
And yet, here in reality, one of the forefront social justice issues of my generation is the fight for the right of two consenting adults to do a thing that does not affect anyone else and is no business of anybody else - same-sex marriage. And, strangely, here in reality, it's superstitious nonsense that is the main obstacle to that end.
Yeah, because marriage is slavery...well, actually, it sort of is, we should probably ban it as well
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