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  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #210 - March 21, 2015, 10:22 PM

    The Julian Calendar introduced by Julius Caesar is obviously "pagan" . Does the koran use the term pagan because that is a xian propaganda term against worshippers of the true gods, with superb architecture, the dome, naval skills, mathematics, tesselated glass, antikethera mechanism, Archimedes, ....

    A lunar calendar of twelve months and 28 days introduced in the 600's is actually destructive of the ability to be precise, to measure, be logical and rational.

    It is the equivalent of George Orwell's 2+2=5.  It is iconoclastic.  Fascist.  The Big Lie.


    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #211 - March 21, 2015, 10:33 PM

    The Julian Calendar introduced by Julius Caesar is obviously "pagan" ..............

    No..Nooo ., The Julian Calendar  was IMPLEMENTED by   Julius Caesar. It is actually introduced by  Sosigenes of Alexandria.   A Greek astronomer mathematician is the one who introduced The Julian Calendar..

    http://www.usefultrivia.com/biographies/sosigenes_001.html
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sosigenes_of_Alexandria
    http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/555018/Sosigenes-of-Alexandria

    Quote
    A lunar calendar of twelve months and 28 days introduced in the 600's is actually destructive ....

    It is the equivalent of George Orwell's 2+2=5.  It is iconoclastic.  Fascist.  The Big Lie.

    and the origins of lunar calendar is from Chinese,Jewish ..etc..etc..

    http://www.jewfaq.org/calendar.htm
    http://blog.eteacherchinese.com/china-culture/the-origin-of-solar-calendar-and-lunar-calendar/

    NOTHING TO DO WITH Muhammad..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #212 - March 21, 2015, 11:18 PM

    Yee, you are missing my point!  It was a return to an out of date technology!

    Why introduce something that does not work when everyone is very satisfied with what they have? 

    It is like going back to the original mobile phones, dial up and floppy discs - remember the bricks? - when everyone has smart phones, broadband and the cloud!

    Theological reasons have been noted - I think correctly.  I think we are looking at part of a pattern here - the creation of an obedient subservient people, accepting of injustice and inequality - tyranny formalised by religion.

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #213 - March 21, 2015, 11:22 PM

    We have an example of a whole society disabling itself.

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #214 - March 21, 2015, 11:25 PM

    It is not new - why not disable a society?

    Quote
    West Bengal Finds It Creates Child Beggars for Export
    By JOHN F. BURNS
    Published: March 13, 1997


    BERHAMPUR, India— When Kabirul Islam emerged into a corridor at the child welfare center here, it was not hard to see why he caught the attention of the recruiters who prowl local villages looking for children to work as beggars.

    At 14, Kabirul is about half the normal size of boys his age. He is wise beyond his years, and he knows the value of a smile. He also has a special quality that the recruiters, known here as touts, seek in their recruits: He is severely disabled, with withered hands and feet that cause him to move about on all fours, supporting himself on heavily calloused elbows and ankles.

    Organized groups of child beggars are common in India. The children who beat on car windows at stoplights and chase after the well-to-do in the streets include many who are disabled and some, according to Indian studies of begging, who have been deliberately mutilated by criminal gangs to make them more pitiable when they solicit donations on the streets.


    http://www.nytimes.com/1997/03/13/world/west-bengal-finds-it-creates-child-beggars-for-export.html

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #215 - March 22, 2015, 10:56 AM

    What is happening moi  I understand all that what you say.... but please realize SOME IDIOTS OF ISLAM MAY  PREACH TO OTHERS or may act in Mosques that they stuck  to outdated technology. Frankly speaking they hypocrites in Islam..  Because they use all the technology available in the market yet they preach bull shit..  But I have problems with the above posts.. Cool down

     
    Yee, you are missing my point!  It was a return to an out of date technology!

    No I am not missing your point.. I understand your frustration moi.,  Frankly speaking with that Moon Calender or Islamic calender Muslims have NOT returned to an out of date technology. We have to realize even those who were NOT MUSLIMS (Billions of them) did not realize  the Importance of  that  ancient Greek Astronomer Sosigenes of Alexandria's calender until early  20th century very recent times. People didn't care about calenders

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    Theologicl  Islamic  Political  reasons have been noted - I think correctly.  I think we are looking at part of a pattern here - the creation of an obedient subservient people, accepting of injustice and inequality - tyranny formalised by religion.

    that I agree.. Islamic theology is not a right word  but Islamic Politics., So I change that word Theological to POLITICAL

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #216 - March 22, 2015, 09:53 PM

    Ian David Morris - Me and my work (PIMIC introductory blog)

    http://www.pimic.org/work-ian-d-moris/
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    When I first joined PIMIC, I was expected to work on some aspect of the royal court in the early Islamic world. Not knowing where to start, I decided to sketch out the individual offices at the court: scribes, ministers, doorkeepers, and so on. What surprised me, reading the earlier studies on these people, was the widespread assumption that the court is somehow un-Arab; that these offices must have been borrowed from the Roman or Persian worlds, because Arabs – poor, tribal and egalitarian – would have had no use for them in the desert.

    But this anarchical picture of the Arabs is an orientalist cliché; it doesn’t tally with what we know. The tribes who later built Islam were clustered round oases, and were settled people, more or less. In such an urban setting, why shouldn’t there be urban institutions? It shouldn’t even cost much to retain a scribe or a doorkeeper: it’s well known that the Arabs kept slaves. In a tribe of modest resources, domestic slavery gave structure and hierarchy to the household.

    The conquests of the Middle East channelled extraordinary wealth to a handful of Arab families. Their households employed an ever-greater cadre of servants, slaves and freedmen in ever-more-specialised domestic roles. The Islamic court, I argue, is but an Arab household on a grand scale: the evolution of trustworthy slaves into courtly officials makes better sense of the evidence than a wholesale influx of very foreign practices.

    So, in my work I attempt to depict the Arabs as more creative and complex than previously assumed. On a broader level, I will show how very different peoples can develop, similar institutions independently: a case of cultural ‘convergent evolution’ between human societies. And, most controversially, I will try to untangle the messy knot of religion, politics and history-writing inherent in the sources: the founding fathers of Islam were less egalitarian, and more ‘institutional’, than generally assumed.

    My hypothesis does not stand alone. It belongs to a whole genre of current theory on state-building, all of which has modern-day implications. The world as a whole, and the Middle East in particular, is currently undergoing a massive reorganisation of power and institutions. Most of this we can only see in hindsight. We have to be sensitive to what is unique in the societies we study: they may not develop along the paths that we expect or demand.

  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #217 - March 23, 2015, 12:36 PM

    Moi, are you seriously trying to have a sane conversation with Yeezy?

  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #218 - March 23, 2015, 01:11 PM



    Moi, are you seriously trying to have a sane conversation with Yeezy?

     



    What?? you snotty nose., Hassan was it a potshot or pot hole?

     are  you trying to  seek attention like this tantrum kid..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz-iwwhJueo


    I will be BAAK..   let me do other things.
     

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #219 - March 23, 2015, 01:25 PM

    you snotty nose


    Haha… I deserved that Yeezy  grin12 far away hug
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #220 - March 27, 2015, 11:17 PM

    Gabriel Said Reynolds - On the Qur'anic Accusation of Scriptural Falsification ((tahrif) and Christian Anti-Jewish Polemic

    http://www3.nd.edu/~reynolds/index_files/scriptural%20falsification.pdf
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #221 - March 28, 2015, 12:05 AM

    Fantastic!  I hadn't see that one before.  Reynolds is deservedly at the forefront of modern Qur'anic scholarship.

    His point about how the Qur'anic invective against Jews may reflect the use of *common Syriac literary themes* rather than historical events involving actual contemporary Jews is an outstanding point I had not thought of, but reflects my general position nowadays that much Qur'anic rhetoric has little to do with any real-world historical situation.  Just as much of its Syriac predecessors had little to do with real-world historical situations.  It is literary and theological argument that has been buried beneath mountains of exegetical 'historical context.'
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #222 - March 28, 2015, 12:15 AM

    Gabriel Said Reynolds - On the Qur'anic Accusation of Scriptural Falsification ((tahrif) and Christian Anti-Jewish Polemic

    http://www3.nd.edu/~reynolds/index_files/scriptural%20falsification.pdf


    Excellent article,  Zeca ,thanks.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #223 - March 28, 2015, 02:18 AM

    Gabriel Said Reynolds - On the Qur'anic Accusation of Scriptural Falsification ((tahrif) and Christian Anti-Jewish Polemic

    http://www3.nd.edu/~reynolds/index_files/scriptural%20falsification.pdf


    Quote
    ./......Muslim scholars also accuse Jews and Christians of misinterpreting the Bible by hiding,  ignoring, or misreading it, and on occasion they describe such misinterpretation as tahrîf as well. Accordingly, in scholarly treatments of the subject a comparison is sometimes made between tahrîf al-nass, alteration of the text of scripture, and tahrîf al-ma'anî, misinterpretation of scripture. Yet Muslim scholars who accuse Jews and Christians of misinterpretation do not mean to imply thereby that the Bible has not been altered. Instead they employ  the idea of tahrîf al-ma'anî for the sake of argument.......  Gabriel Said Reynolds -  


     Gabriel Said Reynolds probably doesn't realize Why do the Muslim intellectuals/ Muslim scholars do that?  .. answer  is simple

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=23&v=bV710c1dgpU


    Islam is the truth..Christianity and Judaism is Not truth..  that is what one of the beard says. So you have to believe it. Well  Discussing and debating these silly books of  cave dwellers is stupid and it is like  running in circles going nowhere instead of that   let me read this   from  dr.  GABRIEL   

    Why ISIS enslaves

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #224 - March 28, 2015, 02:21 PM

    Peter Matthews Wright - review of Gabriel Said Reynolds'  The Qur'an and its Biblical Subtext

    https://relegere.org/relegere/article/viewFile/408/524
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #225 - March 28, 2015, 02:43 PM

    Peter Matthews Wright - The Qur'anic David

    http://www.academia.edu/3730960/The_Quranic_David

    More articles by Peter Matthews Wright

    http://coloradocollege.academia.edu/PeterWright
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #226 - March 28, 2015, 03:48 PM

    Sean Anthony - Sayf ibn ʿUmar’s Account of ‘King’ Paul and the Corruption of Ancient Christianity

    https://www.academia.edu/304358/_Sayf_ibn_ʿUmar_s_Account_of_King_Paul_and_the_Corruption_of_Ancient_Christianity_Der_Islam_85.1_2008_164-202

    Sean Anthony - Crime and Punishment in Early Medina

    https://www.academia.edu/236672/Analysing_Muslim_Traditions_Studies_in_Legal_Exegetical_and_Maghāzī_Ḥadīth_IHC_78_Leiden_Brill_2010_pbk._2013_
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #227 - March 28, 2015, 05:30 PM

    Emran El-Badawi - From "Clergy" to "Celibacy" the development of rahbaniyyah between the Qur'an, Hadith and Church Canon

    http://www.myjurnal.my/filebank/published_article/25940/Article__1.PDF


  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #228 - March 28, 2015, 06:09 PM

    Emran El-Badawi and Gabriel Said Reynolds - The Qur'an and the Syriac Bible

    http://www.academia.edu/10133070/_The_Qur_an_and_the_Syriac_Bible_Oxford_Islamic_Studies_Online_and_Oxford_Biblical_Studies_Online_Focus_On_Essay_June_2013
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #229 - March 28, 2015, 06:43 PM

    Emran El-Badawi - The Impact of Aramaic (especially Syriac) on the Qur’ān

    http://www.academia.edu/10132877/_The_Impact_of_Aramaic_especially_Syriac_on_the_Qur_ān_Religion_Compass_8.7_2014_220-28

    Emran El-Badawi - Condemnation in the Qur’an and the Syriac Gospel of Matthew

    http://www.academia.edu/10132982/_Condemnation_in_the_Qur_an_and_the_Syriac_Gospel_of_Matthew_New_Perspectives_on_the_Qur_an_The_Qur_an_in_Its_Historical_Context_2._Ed._G.S._Reynolds._London_New_York_Routledge_2011
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #230 - March 28, 2015, 07:52 PM

    Ilkka Lindstedt - Muhājirūn as a Name for the First/Seventh Century Muslims

    https://www.academia.edu/11682900/Muhājirūn_as_a_Name_for_the_First_Seventh_Century_Muslims_JNES_

    More articles by Ilkka Lindstedt

    https://helsinki.academia.edu/IlkkaLindstedt
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #231 - March 31, 2015, 04:41 PM

    Fred Donner - Seeing the Origins of Islam in Historical Perspective

    http://www.indiana.edu/~nelc/events/documents/jwaideh_lecture_2002.pdf
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #232 - March 31, 2015, 06:37 PM

    This dissertation looks as if it could be interesting - so far I've only skimmed through it.

    Jack Tannous - Syria between Byzantium and Islam

    http://users.clas.ufl.edu/sterk/Mission&Conversion/Tannous%20Syria%20between%20Byzantium%20and%20Islam.pdf
    Quote
    Abstract
    This dissertation deals with the social and cultural history of the Middle East in the Late Antique and early medieval periods. It attempts to address two large historiographic questions—the character of the Byzantine Dark Ages and nature of early Christian-Muslim interactions—from the perspective of the Aramaic-speaking Christian population of the Middle East. The first section focuses on the sophisticated intellectual culture that developed among Syriac-speaking Christians in the Late Antique and early medieval periods and contrasts its efflorescence with the fate of Greek at the same time. It is argued that the Greco-Arabic translation movement of Abbasid Baghdad represents the culmination of a Syriac tradition of scholarship which stretches back to Late Antiquity. The second section of the dissertation seeks to answer the question of why such a culture of scholarship and translation should have developed in the Syriac-speaking world when it did. The nature of interconfessional relations between Christian groups is examined and it is argued that Middle Eastern Christianity in the early medieval period was characterized by a diversity of Christian groups whose separation into distinct churches was only partial, with a consequent intense competition between these groups for adherents. It was this diversity and competition that fueled the development of the flourishing intellectual culture encountered in the first section of the dissertation. It is argued, moreover, that much of the intellectual activity which was taking place among Miaphysites was being driven by the needs of a curriculum of study for educating a distinctly Miaphysite clergy. The final section of the dissertation attempts to understand the place of Islam in the picture of the early medieval Middle East given in the first two sections. Christian-Muslim interaction and religious conversion are examined, as are Late Antique continuities into an Islamic context. Just as the history of Byzantine culture is more than Greek, I argue, the history of the Middle East is much more than the history of the politically- dominant Muslim minority which ruled it: we cannot understand early Islam unless we see it as a minority religion taking shape among a majority population adhering to highly-sophisticated and more ancient rival confessions.

  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #233 - March 31, 2015, 08:41 PM

    Alain George - On an early Qur'anic palimpsest and its stratigraphy

    https://www.academia.edu/11163659/On_an_early_Quranic_palimpsest_and_its_stratigraphy_Cambridge_Or._1287
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #234 - March 31, 2015, 08:45 PM

    Resources for Syriac Studies - 'An annotated collection of free and open source books, journals, and more related to the study of Syriac.'

    http://doaks.org/research/byzantine/resources/syriac


    See also this blog post by Scott Johnson who maintains the site along with Jack Tannous:

    'If it's not online and free, then it's not published'

    http://scottfjohnson.com/blog/2012/9/3/if-its-not-online-and-free-then-its-not-published.html
    Quote
    [...]

    When my colleague Jack Tannous (now of Princeton) and I conceived it, we intentionally left out references and links to any published material still in copyright. This was deliberate, first, to show what a wealth of Syriac material is available for free on sites like Google Books and Archive.org (along with BYU’s CPART, Hathi Trust, and other repositories). All this material lacked was proper organization: as Grafton has pointed out elsewhere in the New Yorker, finding specific editions on Google Books can be a real chore.

    Second, we intend for the site to be a provocation to those who would seek to limit the distribution of scholarly materials in order to increase their own financial gain. In other words, the more the site becomes canonical (which depends, of course, on us making it really comprehensive and useful), the more people will wonder why X or Y book is not linked on the site, and the demand that X or Y be made available for free will hopefully grow. In fact, we’ve already received requests for certain expensive reference books to be referenced or linked (in their online form, behind a pay-wall). However, this would defeat our purpose. Not only do we recognize that it is now a de facto truth that, “If It’s Not Online and Free, Then It’s Not Published,” we also prescriptively want to drive that message home to scholars, universities, and publishers alike, so that eventually the de facto truth may become de jure as well. To quote Avatars of the Word once again:

    The most effective change is wielded by those who do not expect to create or manipulate a closed system, but instead recognize that effective change takes place in open systems, where the accumulation of collaborative actions generates unexpected harmony. (88)

    Eventually, perhaps, our site will be linked in major library catalogues as a “real” online resource, and certainly the Dumbarton Oaks domain name will help with that case. But in the meantime, we hope to help solidify (for Syriac at least) the reputation and status of born-digital scholarly works as important contributions to the Humanities—in fact, as necessary contributions, if the Humanities is going to move forward apace with the expectations of our students, readers, and colleagues in other disciplines.

    Let me offer a few more thoughts in conclusion. First, this year’s college freshman were born in 1993/1994, the first year the internet saw massive adoption. Older scholars, like O’Donnell, Grafton, even Jack Tannous and myself, were trained in a world of books. The longer we were trained in that world, the more attached we are, by nature, to books. Students from today forward will not be able to remember a world without Google. Younger students and rising scholars are simply growing up with different cognitive assumptions. At some point it becomes a barrier to their education to insist that their mode of training be the same as ours. Second, our Syriac site is a testimony to the power of the internet for scholarly research. You can find in a few clicks Syriac passages which would take at least 15 to 30 minutes to locate in physical books in the best eastern Christian research libraries in the world. There’s a speed benefit: why would you not want to work more efficiently if you could? Third, the site is an embodiment of the cliché that information longs to be free. Your access to Syriac texts should not be a function of having attended Harvard, Princeton, Oxford, etc. Credentials do not equal access. You should be able to read this material if you’re in Houston, Atlanta, Cairo, Damascus, Tehran, or anywhere in between. At our most rhetorical, we are trying to repatriate texts and manuscripts taken out of the Middle East (often long ago and under a dark cloud) back into the Middle East: we are consciously liberationists as much as we are curators. The internet can, to some degree, allow these Syriac Elgin Marbles to go home, to the people whose ancestors wrote these texts. It is hard to imagine why any barriers to this scenario, where the entire world benefits on the back of the internet, would be allowed to remain in place.


    Partial quote above but it's worth reading in full, and considering the parallels with this thread.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #235 - March 31, 2015, 09:31 PM

    Quote
    However, many modern scholars who study the era tend to avoid the term altogether for its negative connotations, finding it misleading and inaccurate for any part of the Middle Ages.[9][10][11]


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages_(historiography)

    A concept of Byzantine Dark Ages is particularly iffy!

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #236 - March 31, 2015, 09:35 PM

    Quote
    Some Byzantinists have used the term "Byzantine Dark Ages" to refer to the period from the earliest Muslim conquests to about 800,[34] because there are no extant historical texts in Greek from this period, and thus the history of the Byzantine Empire and formerly Byzantine territories that were conquered by the Muslims is poorly understood and must be reconstructed from other types of contemporaneous sources, such as religious texts.[35] It is also known that very few Greek manuscripts were copied in this period, indicating that the 7th and 8th centuries, which were a period of crisis for the Byzantines because of the Muslim conquests, were also less intellectually active than other periods.[36]


    From above

    What happened to the idea that this hiatus may be down to dating errors?

    http://www.damninteresting.com/the-phantom-time-hypothesis/

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #237 - April 01, 2015, 12:09 AM

    moi: Illig's Phantom Time Hypothesis was a subtext of Emmet Scott's not-terribly-good book "Mohammed and Charlemagne Revisited".

    Illig's got a LOT of problems. One of these is that some people were in fact writing at the time. I'd start with the venerable Bede in Northumbria (since this site's core constituency is British) but we should also consider the Tang in China. Let's not neglect the Zuqnin Chronicler - a contemporary of the first 'Abbasids, whose manuscript is generally considered the autograph and from which no copies were made (until now). So here's a chronicle from, what, 770 CE which we can actually touch but which we're told doesn't exist because reasons.

    Also we have a fairly good correspondence of *Irish* annals with the record of eclipses. And don't forget the Maya long-count! If you don't put those years in (614-911), the eclipses are out of whack and the Maya calendar breaks down.

    So, if Illig and Scott are right, there was a global conspiracy to add these dates, involving the Chinese and the Maya as well. It's about the silliest explanation for the Dark Age ever dreamt up.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #238 - April 08, 2015, 11:45 PM

    Ahmad Al-Jallad - Graeco-Arabica I: the southern Levant

    http://www.academia.edu/7583140/Graeco-Arabica_I_the_southern_Levant
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #239 - April 09, 2015, 01:41 AM

    Al-Jallad is a treasure.

    Hismaitic and Safaitic as expressions of Old Arabic? This is... mind-blowing.
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