Quod Sum Eris vs CallMeTed - Is there scientific evidence that proves the exist
Reply #28 - August 10, 2015, 07:29 AM
You're making certain leaps in logic, I think. You can study diamonds and realise they're made of the same thing as coal and do numerous studies verifying it while still being unaware of the precise conditions to transform coal to diamond. The same can be applied to sand becoming glass. Going back to my colour example, in that situation you can know how to create green, have the means to do it, yet still not be able to without knowledge of blue. Once you fill that gap, you can now create green. Knowing how 99% of something happened is still not knowing 100%. If I have just that 1% missing I cannot create green, diamonds or glass. Add in that 1% and I can.
Saying life is unlikely is something I'm not sure about. On this planet at least, life, or at least life as we know it, would not exist without water. In our own solar system, just off the top of my head, we have water on Earth, Mars and Titan, and I believe ice on the moon, though I'd have to double check that. So it doesn't exactly seem rare. There's also just how close/far we are in the orbit of the sun. Too close, and the planet is too hot. To far, and the planet is too cold. Earth is in just the right place, what's called the Goldilocks zone. If you simply go onto google and type in "Earth like planets" or "Goldilocks zone" you should see that we're finding a surprising amount of planets that qualify.
This is also making the assumption that Earth is the origin of life on this planet. It might not be. Maybe these early microbes were brought here from somewhere else. We know other planets, stars and solar systems exist. We know meteorites, bits of other planets, do fall to Earth. I remember the first time I heard that if there was a nuclear war that wiped us out cockroaches would survive. Why this was I didn't know. Upon further reading it seemed that cockroaches would be able to survive the cold and radiation of space. Which begs another question. Why would a creature from this planet have the ability to survive in space? Maybe they aren't originally from this planet.
And now I've been reminded of that, I really need to ask a biologist. lua, you're the nearest one. Any answer on the cockroach thing? I will be checking the comments thread.
You're made a giant leap with your comment on a being covered in light, with billions of angels around "him" from your definition on your opening post. We've gone from a definition of god that we could happily call the universe or even the sun to a distinct description that seems very jewish/christian/islamic. Not that I'm complaining about this, but the argument for a god and the argument for your specific god is not one and the same. I could use every statement you've said so far as an argument for the existence of Vishnu,
But to answer your question, if I saw a vision of a god that conformed to this particular ideology I would be very suspicious. I was born and raised in England, a historically christian country. Just by virtue of birth I'm more likely to have a certain biased view of god. If I were born into Viking society and someone said that to me I might think of Odin and his ravens, or the Valkyries, because that would be my bias due to my upbringing and surroundings. This isn't to say that alone would falsify it, but I would say just because of natural human bias it's reasonable grounds for suspicion.
`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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