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  • A muslims message to the Ex Muslim community
     OP - July 06, 2016, 04:20 PM

    Assalamu Alaykum,
    Since this is a forum of opinions
    I would like to share my sincere thoughts

    Life is a quest, a journey towards understanding reality and purpose

    My reading of your experiences has had profound influence on me
    By Allah swt almighty and with sincerity I say,
    I do not have the intellect of many of you, and i never will
    I do not have the bravery of many of you, and i never will
    I do not have the creativity of many of you, and i never will

    “Everything in the universe is within you. Ask all from yourself.”

    Firstly
    I am a muslim, I have no doubts in my faith. If anything it has strengthened now greater than ever.

    I believe Allah exists, is merciful and I believe Mohammed saw is his messenger,
    I believe the Qur'an is eternal, uncreated and entirely divine

    But I didn’t learn this from reading dot points on a page,
    or through the rational points of muslims
    or after shopping for religions,
    and such methods could neither be used to diminish or ‘refute’ my belief

    its symbols invigorate me, draw me in and excite me
    its tenets resonate with me,
    The words of Allah swt prompt a stirring in my soul,
    It always has called me, i feel
    and nothing outward can refute it or change it


    a grand delusion perhaps, a fantasy
    but i question
    what better compass do i have for understanding reality than what my soul inclines towards?
    all else is mirage, our senses are flawed, people are flawed
    Ghazali says,
    Whoever determines the truth from people alone will remain lost in the plains of bewilderment.

    Research of outward things often doesn’t provide conclusions,
    it creates confusions

    Chapter (6) sūrat l-anʿām (The Cattle)
     


    And if you obey most of those upon the earth, they will mislead you from the way of Allah. They follow not except assumption, and they are not but falsifying.

    We have created a entity around us ,


    I ask
    How does the brother perceive the world if not through his own senses?
    He can not speak for my experiences,
    nor does he know objective truth
    so his existense is just as created as mine, as is everyone's

    however i do agree with him and all of you
    choosing to blindly accept another person's reality is a failure
    you should look inwards and reflect deeply on what your soul is comfortable with
    and you will incline towards truth,
    I do believe that most people on here are on sincere journeys looking for sincere answers,
    some are not,
    but those that are should continue on their Journey until they rest comfortably on truth
    I pray for all of you,
    Not so that you may be guided towards my truth
    Rather, So that you may continue to want knowledge of truth
    Whatever that may be
    For I believe that is a truly admirable ambition in this world
    and one that will reap you the most beneficial rewards...


    Raise your words, not voice. It is rain that grows flowers, not thunder
  • A muslims message to the Ex Muslim community
     Reply #1 - July 06, 2016, 04:25 PM

    Quote
    I am a muslim, I have no doubts in my faith.


    Therein lies your problem.

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • A muslims message to the Ex Muslim community
     Reply #2 - July 06, 2016, 04:59 PM

    Quote
    Firstly
    I am a muslim, I have no doubts in my faith. If anything it has strengthened now greater than ever.


    And yet you feel the need to declare your faith for all?
    Could there be an inkling of doubt, compelling you to sticking your fingers in your ears going lalalalalaassalamualaykumlalalal to scare it away? More to convince yourself that your mind is free from doubt than to tell the rest of us?
  • A muslims message to the Ex Muslim community
     Reply #3 - July 07, 2016, 10:30 AM

    Quote
    "What better compass do i have for understanding reality than what my soul inclines towards?"


    If God is within (which I know/have experienced glimpses of...) and all words are merely signposts (what more can language be when dealing with the infinite and divine reality?), then the Quran is like a dodgy sat Nav which takes us on a road which has since become hazardous, circuitous and reads out all the directions with a rather cruel sense of humour peppered with outdated Arabic lingo that can be interpreted 99 ways, not to mention the bizarre promises of carnal pleasure when we have reached our destination.

    There are many better guideposts to our inherent nature out there, the Tao te Ching is my personal favourite.
  • A muslims message to the Ex Muslim community
     Reply #4 - July 07, 2016, 06:52 PM

    well my good friend ElRafa lot of stuff on plate but he didn't answer me... why ElRafa I ask you?  which one? which folder?  any ways let me respond to his op point by point..
    Assalamu Alaykum,
    Since this is a forum of opinions
    I would like to share my sincere thoughts

    Alaykum, salam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh ElRafa ., and than you for sharing your opinions and sincere thoughts

    Quote
    Life is a quest, a journey towards understanding reality and purpose

    that is well known quote of rumi and there are plenty of quotations around life and what life is and what life should be .,  ElRafa., Every one has their own life purposes and that purpose may change time to time and place to place .. It is almost impossible that a person will have same single  purpose from the day he/she born to the day s/he dies

    Quote
    My reading of your experiences has had profound influence on me
    By Allah swt almighty and with sincerity I say,
    I do not have the intellect of many of you, and i never will
    I do not have the bravery of many of you, and i never will
    I do not have the creativity of many of you, and i never will

    OK., thank you but  i regret to inform you that your observations on the forum members as well as on yourself is wrong.. ., So I cross those words I disagree with.

    Quote
    “Everything in the universe is within you. Ask all from yourself.”

    err., that is just another saying,  another parable from rumi.,   Yes modern science proves that human being do compose with molecules, atoms, electrons, protons , neutrons and all other atomic particles .. so you can say that ., but what is the point and what do we learn from it?

    Quote
    Firstly
    I am a muslim, I have no doubts in my faith. If anything it has strengthened now greater than ever.

    it makes no difference what your faith was and what your faith is to the readers dear  ElRafa ., but it may make difference to you, if you carefully think on what people are saying here ., YOU CAN BE MUSLIM  and write in to the forum and AND  QUESTION FAITH HEADS whose faith may differ from your faith.

    Quote
    I believe Allah exists, is merciful and I believe Mohammed saw is his messenger,
    I believe the Qur'an is eternal, uncreated and entirely divine

    that is OK ., that is fine with me and others here., by the way., did forget to write the word "LAST"  next to the word "messenger".?? , or you don't consider Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) was last messenger of Allah?

    Quote
    But I didn’t learn this from reading dot points on a page,
    or through the rational points of muslims
    or after shopping for religions,
    and such methods could neither be used to diminish or ‘refute’ my belief

    that is all right., every one chooses their own ways when it comes to beliefs and faiths

    Quote
    its symbols invigorate me, draw me in and excite me
    its tenets resonate with me,
    The words of Allah swt prompt a stirring in my soul,
    It always has called me, i feel
    and nothing outward can refute it or change it

    that is all right but what is your point dear ElRafa?  did any one here tell you to change your Islam to some other faith or some other Islam??  why are you penning all that ?

    Quote
    a grand delusion perhaps, a fantasy
    but i question
    what better compass do i have for understanding reality than what my soul inclines towards?
    all else is mirage, our senses are flawed, people are flawed
    Ghazali says,
    Whoever determines the truth from people alone will remain lost in the plains of bewilderment.

    OK .. again what happened  and what is  the point?
    Quote
    Research of outward things often doesn’t provide conclusions,
    it creates confusions

     well do more research outward as well as inward

    Quote
    Chapter (6) sūrat l-anʿām (The Cattle)
     
    (Clicky for piccy!)

    And if you obey most of those upon the earth, they will mislead you from the way of Allah. They follow not except assumption, and they are not but falsifying.

    irrelevant verse as no one is forcing you  to follow or obey   those who are on this earth or who are from this earth ., and don't forget Quran didn't fall from sky., it is from earthlings

    Quote
    I ask
    How does the brother perceive the world if not through his own senses?
    He can not speak for my experiences,
    nor does he know objective truth
    so his existense is just as created as mine, as is everyone's

    gibberish  ElRafa ., if you were trying to write some words like Rumi., you failed miserably   Cheesy

    Quote
    however i do agree with him and all of you
    choosing to blindly accept another person's reality is a failure
    you should look inwards and reflect deeply on what your soul is comfortable with
    and you will incline towards truth,
    I do believe that most people on here are on sincere journeys looking for sincere answers,
    some are not,
    but those that are should continue on their Journey until they rest comfortably on truth
    I pray for all of you,
    Not so that you may be guided towards my truth
    Rather, So that you may continue to want knowledge of truth
    Whatever that may be
    For I believe that is a truly admirable ambition in this world
    and one that will reap you the most beneficial rewards...


    well all right., I have no problem with what you said there..

    with best wishes
    yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • A muslims message to the Ex Muslim community
     Reply #5 - July 07, 2016, 08:40 PM

    what better compass do i have for understanding reality than what my soul inclines towards?

    Your mind.

    Quote
    all else is mirage, our senses are flawed, people are flawed

    But at least our senses are real. Our senses may be flawed but they're pretty well in tune with our needs. If there is a spiritual nature it doesn't mean it is by default true or less flawed.

    Quote
    Ghazali says,
    Whoever determines the truth from people alone will remain lost in the plains of bewilderment.


    The full quote reads:
    ''Whoever determines the truth from people alone
    will remain lost in the plains of bewilderment.
    Rather, know the truth, and you will know its people.''


    This is a rather typical mystical approach to play with where you put the importance on two words and to hint to enlightenment, but you need the full quote or it will make little sense.
  • A muslims message to the Ex Muslim community
     Reply #6 - July 07, 2016, 08:45 PM

    the Tao te Ching is my personal favourite.


    Mine is Shakespeare Smiley.
  • A muslims message to the Ex Muslim community
     Reply #7 - July 10, 2016, 07:47 PM

    There are many better guideposts to our inherent nature out there, the Tao te Ching is my personal favourite.


    Mine is Pratchett grin12

    The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit their views. Which can be uncomfortable if you're one of the facts that needs altering
  • A muslims message to the Ex Muslim community
     Reply #8 - July 10, 2016, 08:11 PM

    Mine is Pratchett grin12

     

    yes

    "Small Gods" is actually a fine piece of religious scripture.
  • A muslims message to the Ex Muslim community
     Reply #9 - July 11, 2016, 02:09 AM

    And yet you feel the need to declare your faith for all?
    Could there be an inkling of doubt, compelling you to sticking your fingers in your ears going lalalalalaassalamualaykumlalalal to scare it away? More to convince yourself that your mind is free from doubt than to tell the rest of us?


    what is faith?

    Raise your words, not voice. It is rain that grows flowers, not thunder
  • A muslims message to the Ex Muslim community
     Reply #10 - July 11, 2016, 02:19 AM

    well my good friend ElRafa lot of stuff on plate but he didn't answer me... why ElRafa I ask you?  which one? which folder?  any ways let me respond to his op point by point..Alaykum, salam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh ElRafa ., and than you for sharing your opinions and sincere thoughts

    that is well known quote of rumi and there are plenty of quotations around life and what life is and what life should be .,  ElRafa., Every one has their own life purposes and that purpose may change time to time and place to place .. It is almost impossible that a person will have same single  purpose from the day he/she born to the day s/he dies




    gibberish  ElRafa ., if you were trying to write some words like Rumi., you failed miserably   Cheesy




    Really??? interesting how you later mentioned my attempts to emulate Maulana Rumi were in vain
    Wallahi I had no idea he said that
    he was 40 years older than me when he compiled most of his works, yani
    have sabr Yeezevee

    the reason i declared my faith is because im trying to propose the reasons someone should, or even in watered down terms, can have faith
     
    i dont think faith is unreasonable as many here seem to believe it is
    because i question the definition of what reasonable or unreasonable is

    Raise your words, not voice. It is rain that grows flowers, not thunder
  • A muslims message to the Ex Muslim community
     Reply #11 - July 11, 2016, 03:00 AM

    Pet peeve #20983644:

    People who romanize languages and mix the foreign words haphazardly into English sentences when it would have been easier to just say it all in English from the beginning.

    That is all. Carry on.

    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

    http://sinofgreed.wordpress.com/
  • A muslims message to the Ex Muslim community
     Reply #12 - July 11, 2016, 03:27 AM

    Pet peeve #20983644:

    People who romanize languages and mix the foreign words haphazardly into English sentences when it would have been easier to just say it all in English from the beginning.

    That is all. Carry on.


    ma posso parlare nella vera e prima lingua romana se voglio, you know

    im sure biliyorsun ne kadar Muslims do this, but so do most communites

    como we, los latinos

     

    Raise your words, not voice. It is rain that grows flowers, not thunder
  • A muslims message to the Ex Muslim community
     Reply #13 - July 11, 2016, 06:20 AM

    And that is supposed to stop me from hating it because...?

    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

    http://sinofgreed.wordpress.com/
  • A muslims message to the Ex Muslim community
     Reply #14 - July 11, 2016, 08:17 AM

    And that is supposed to stop me from hating it because...?


    what is it you hate about it?
    there are words in other languages that express things better than any english word,

    Raise your words, not voice. It is rain that grows flowers, not thunder
  • A muslims message to the Ex Muslim community
     Reply #15 - July 11, 2016, 12:36 PM

    Really??? interesting how you later mentioned my attempts to emulate Maulana Rumi were in vain
    Wallahi I had no idea he said that
    he was 40 years older than me when he compiled most of his works, yani
    have sabr
    Yeezevee

     Cheesy   Cheesy  yes..yes.. Patience., very important virtue to human life.  Patience is indeed the gift of God   god of our minds., but let us not become patients to  some faith... or patients to some faith heads

    What??   Rumi was forty year old than you when he started writing? well then that is good thing for you ElRafa.,  You started earlier than him.,  I hope and wish that you will continue with what you read & write. One day sure you will write some sonnets that are better than Rumi poems...

    What is there in age
    and what is there in time ElRafa?
    I say we should never age but learn to grow up
    Spring passes, summer passes, autumn passes and  winter passes
    time never stops aging is irrelevant to human soul
    There is a fountain of youth
    and  it is in your mind,
    it  is in your talents,
    it is in your love  
    tap that source,
    you will  never age.


    Quote
    the reason i declared my faith is because im trying to propose the reasons someone should, or even in watered down terms, can have faith

    So you declared your faith for the sake of others
    so you are trying entice others to follow your path
    Is it a good thing? I don't know., I don't care
    Everyone has to search for their own faith..

    well watered down faith.,  
    what is there in it?
    we all have watered down faiths., In fact
    I say without that  watered down faith
    we have no life and there is no life.
    You know I start  every day with A faith
     with some faith in something
    So I too have those t watered  down faiths
    but I question it at every step
    and I allow every one to question it.
    on the way I explore it   and move on to  a new faith
    the water downed faith..

     
    Quote
    i don't think faith is unreasonable as many here seem to believe it is because i question the definition of what reasonable or unreasonable is

    I agree with that .. Nope not at all .,indeed no faith is unreasonable. ,but unquestionable faiths are unreasonable..

    Please continue to read and write

    with best wishes
    yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • A muslims message to the Ex Muslim community
     Reply #16 - July 12, 2016, 12:22 AM

    what is it you hate about it?
    there are words in other languages that express things better than any english word,


    What I do with those words is string together a bunch of English words to make a description of the word that cannot be directly translated. Works better than a verbal footnote and keeps the questions to a minimum.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • A muslims message to the Ex Muslim community
     Reply #17 - July 12, 2016, 02:21 AM

    what is it you hate about it?
    there are words in other languages that express things better than any english word,


    Really? Yanee could be easily translated as "you know" or "I mean" or "Just saying".

    It's lazy and it goes hand in hand with the notion that one language is so sacred that no meaning or words exists in other languages that accurately convey what is being said. Which is false and this entire discussion is why good professional translators are a rare breed. It is also why it is good practice to get more than one translated version of a text. Each translator's style is different.

    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

    http://sinofgreed.wordpress.com/
  • A muslims message to the Ex Muslim community
     Reply #18 - July 12, 2016, 09:51 PM

    So ElRafa said
    .........
    Wallahi I had no idea he said that
    he was 40 years older than me when he compiled most of his works, yani
    have sabr Yeezevee.............

    and  "movingfeet &  three"  rained on ElRafa  on those highlighted words Cheesy
    I am OK with those words by let me put that link  of         Billal Ali here .,  He wrote something  with heading  "Muslims say the Scariest Things: Wallah/Wallahi" on  folks mixing different words from different language in a  English sentence ., Anyways,   I am OK  ElRafa mixing languages in response to my posts.

    But what I didn't understand from his posts are two things..  He said to me
    Quote
    1).  I saw your sickness thread, i wonder have you ever read anything of his?(Rumi)

    2). The reason i declared my faith is because i am trying to propose the reasons someone should, or even in watered down terms, can have faith..

     

    I wonder any of you guys could tell me about that "sickness thread".,   which one?  I opened so many folders in CEMB forum., I am surprised to know there is a "sickness thread"  and only one?  There should be more  Cheesy and the 2nd one ..  I don't think any one cares about those individual watered down faiths.

    with best wishes
    yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • A muslims message to the Ex Muslim community
     Reply #19 - July 13, 2016, 08:08 AM

    You always prove me wrong where the issue of cognition is concerned.

    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

    http://sinofgreed.wordpress.com/
  • A muslims message to the Ex Muslim community
     Reply #20 - July 13, 2016, 11:05 AM

    You always prove me wrong where the issue of cognition is concerned.

    you got point there movingfeet.,but I believe in what you are saying  only if ElRafa  agrees with you .

    Well I am from south and he is from East ., So I am under the impression he is using those words  .....Wallahi ..... yani.... sabr........... as friendly gesture towards me., But if he was talking about Rumi  poems or Quran  then you got a point there and talking about Quran.. i have whole lot of homework on it

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • A muslims message to the Ex Muslim community
     Reply #21 - July 13, 2016, 08:29 PM


    For I believe that is a truly admirable ambition in this world
    and one that will reap you the most beneficial rewards...[/b]



     its all about the rewards innit.

    what if there were no rewards? would you still feel the same way?
  • A muslims message to the Ex Muslim community
     Reply #22 - July 13, 2016, 10:55 PM

    Assalamu Alaykum,
    Since this is a forum of opinions
    I would like to share my sincere thoughts

    Life is a quest, a journey towards understanding reality and purpose

    My reading of your experiences has had profound influence on me
    By Allah swt almighty and with sincerity I say,
    I do not have the intellect of many of you, and i never will
    I do not have the bravery of many of you, and i never will
    I do not have the creativity of many of you, and i never will

    “Everything in the universe is within you. Ask all from yourself.”

    Firstly
    I am a muslim, I have no doubts in my faith. If anything it has strengthened now greater than ever.

    I believe Allah exists, is merciful and I believe Mohammed saw is his messenger,
    I believe the Qur'an is eternal, uncreated and entirely divine

    But I didn’t learn this from reading dot points on a page,
    or through the rational points of muslims
    or after shopping for religions,
    and such methods could neither be used to diminish or ‘refute’ my belief

    its symbols invigorate me, draw me in and excite me
    its tenets resonate with me,
    The words of Allah swt prompt a stirring in my soul,
    It always has called me, i feel
    and nothing outward can refute it or change it


    a grand delusion perhaps, a fantasy
    but i question
    what better compass do i have for understanding reality than what my soul inclines towards?
    all else is mirage, our senses are flawed, people are flawed
    Ghazali says,
    Whoever determines the truth from people alone will remain lost in the plains of bewilderment.

    Research of outward things often doesn’t provide conclusions,
    it creates confusions

    Chapter (6) sūrat l-anʿām (The Cattle)
     
    (Clicky for piccy!)

    And if you obey most of those upon the earth, they will mislead you from the way of Allah. They follow not except assumption, and they are not but falsifying.

    I ask
    How does the brother perceive the world if not through his own senses?
    He can not speak for my experiences,
    nor does he know objective truth
    so his existense is just as created as mine, as is everyone's

    however i do agree with him and all of you
    choosing to blindly accept another person's reality is a failure
    you should look inwards and reflect deeply on what your soul is comfortable with
    and you will incline towards truth,
    I do believe that most people on here are on sincere journeys looking for sincere answers,
    some are not,
    but those that are should continue on their Journey until they rest comfortably on truth
    I pray for all of you,
    Not so that you may be guided towards my truth
    Rather, So that you may continue to want knowledge of truth
    Whatever that may be
    For I believe that is a truly admirable ambition in this world
    and one that will reap you the most beneficial rewards...




    Good..Nice try
  • A muslims message to the Ex Muslim community
     Reply #23 - July 14, 2016, 12:14 AM

    It's lazy and it goes hand in hand with the notion that one language is so sacred that no meaning or words exists in other languages that accurately convey what is being said. Which is false and this entire discussion is why good professional translators are a rare breed. It is also why it is good practice to get more than one translated version of a text. Each translator's style is different.

    Amoot feek means "I die in you", but translating it literally sounds silly. It effectively means something like "I love you", except it's much deeper and more spiritual than that. It's kind of like "I love you so much that I give myself and my soul to you, I give in to you."

    Arabic is a spiritually and somewhat morbidly romantic language. It's difficult to translate such words in English. Any translation is bound to be an approximation and loses something.

    Another example is tuqburni, which can be loosely translated to "you bury me" and effectively means something like "I hope something bad happens to me before it happens to you". But even that doesn't actually capture its context and when it's used. It's a term that only exists in Lebanese Arabic and not even other Arabic dialects can quite capture it.

    Another one off the top of my head is the famous Fairuz song, "nassam alaina el-hawa". El-hawa here means "the breeze", but it's a double entendre that also means "passion". So if you're translating a song, which would you use? Or do you use both meanings every time the word comes up?

    This has nothing to do with the sacredness of a language. Languages are contextual and translations tend to be approximations. Some translators translate more literally, while others prefer to capture the metaphoric beauty of the text.

    One example from another language is the Portuguese saudade. The closest word in English is "nostalgia", but that doesn't quite cut it.

    English also has some words that cannot be translated. Queer is one such word that has been adapted into Arabic by social justice activists.

  • A muslims message to the Ex Muslim community
     Reply #24 - July 14, 2016, 01:55 AM

    Like I said, there are other ways to translate other than literal and a good translator knows how to do it correctly. Amoot Feek can be translated as "I'm crazy about you" or "I have fallen so deep in love with you". Don't quote me on those exact translations though. I am not a professional. The point is that there are phrases and sentiments that exist in the other language, for the sake of example it would be English, which are very closely related to the original language. A good translator knows this and makes it feel natural in the translation. Not wooden, stilted, or where the emotion and intent is lost in translation.


    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

    http://sinofgreed.wordpress.com/
  • A muslims message to the Ex Muslim community
     Reply #25 - July 14, 2016, 01:59 AM

    As for Al-Hawa, you use the meaning that was intended in her speech. I see no reason in preserving both meanings if one is not relevant in another language other than for embellishment.

    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

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  • A muslims message to the Ex Muslim community
     Reply #26 - July 14, 2016, 03:26 AM

    Amoot Feek can be translated as "I'm crazy about you" or "I have fallen so deep in love with you".

    That's a functional translation, yes. But it doesn't quite capture the same meaning. Again, translations are sometimes approximations. A good translator is aware of this and is likely to discuss it in an introduction or foreword.

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    As for Al-Hawa, you use the meaning that was intended in her speech. I see no reason in preserving both meanings if one is not relevant in another language other than for embellishment.

    The song was intentionally written as a double entendre. In English hawa is often translated as "breeze", but this doesn't capture the play on words in the song that gives it its beauty. The breeze is a metaphor for the love/longing for one's country. The breeze is calling her back home.

    Notice how the lyrics are translated:

    نسم علينا الهوا
    من مفرق الوادي
    يا هوا دخل الهوا
    خدني على بلادي

    The air breezed upon us
    From the split of the valley
    Oh breeze, for love's sake
    Take me home

    It's a decent translation, but it doesn't quite capture the actual metaphoric meaning of the song. A person who can only understand the English translation won't understand the connection between "breeze" and "love" in the fourth line. But in Arabic, the entire poem uses the metaphor of the wind as love/longing and is set up for that line.
  • A muslims message to the Ex Muslim community
     Reply #27 - July 14, 2016, 07:05 AM

    Good..Nice try


    What am I trying?

    its all about the rewards innit.

    what if there were no rewards? would you still feel the same way?


    What are you thinking of when i say rewards?


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  • A muslims message to the Ex Muslim community
     Reply #28 - July 14, 2016, 09:07 AM

    What am I trying?

    Well heading of your opening post of this folder  tells the reader  that   A muslim,  ElRafa  sending a message to the Ex Muslim community"  through some selctive Quran verses, with  some Poetic works  of Medieval middle eastern  literary knights  and off course with a closed  mind that is wrapped around Islam with some pickle  ...the religious zeal and that Islam supreme attitude .....   dear ElRafa..     lol..

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    What are you thinking of when i say rewards?

    Well you tell the reader about your understanding of reward..  and is it in this life or after this life??  

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  • A muslims message to the Ex Muslim community
     Reply #29 - July 14, 2016, 03:14 PM

    What are you thinking of when i say rewards?




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