I debated a Muslim on an Islamic forum. I was arguing against the idea that the Koran is for all of humanity and stands for all time.
I pushed him into a corner by asking him if he thought that crucifixion, chopping off hands and feet from opposite sides and branding peoples eyes with hot irons was an appropriate punishment for modern times. He refused to condemn it outright, instead he tiptoed around it.
He eventually dodged the question by saying that these punishments should only be carried out in a true Islamic state of which there were none in existence and that also those punishments were appropriate for the time considering the hostility that the Muslims where up against.
So I said the Koran is not for all people if it doesn't apply unless a perfect Islamic state has been established and it's not for all time if some of the commandments were only relevant for the circumstances that Mohammad found himself in at the time.
He then changed the subject and asked me what translation of the Koran I had read, I said Pickthal he said it was unreliable and that I wasn't reading the Koran with an open heart.
I said if I read the Koran with an open heart I would cease to be a skeptic. It seems to me he was making the claim that only those who suspend their disbelief and take the Koran as truth when they read it are reliable critics of the Koran!
I told him that he still hadn't managed to defend the idea that the koran was for all of humanity for all time and the moderator suspended my account for "trolling"
I went back to the thread as a visitor and they were all saying how I had been demolished!!!
Nutters.