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Re: The before and after thread.
Reply #90 - February 05, 2010, 05:31 AM

Islam -> confused muslim -> agnostic (dont really wonder if there is a god or not, all i know is that if there is one it aint the prayer answering, giving a damn about people's sex life god )

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Reply #91 - February 05, 2010, 06:59 AM

Islam -Natural Monism - Panpsychism (Somewhat Sufi Pantheism on a good day too...)

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Reply #92 - February 07, 2010, 12:31 PM

Muslim -> Doubting muslim -> Agnostic -> ??? -> Profit

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Reply #93 - February 07, 2010, 10:16 PM

Profit??

i dont get it

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Re: The before and after thread.
Reply #94 - February 07, 2010, 11:57 PM

Quote from: canex on February 07, 2010, 10:16 PM
Profit??

i dont get it

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Re: The before and after thread.
Reply #95 - February 08, 2010, 12:00 AM

spelling error me thinks - he was a muslim before and now moved onto being a prophet..

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Re: The before and after thread.
Reply #96 - February 08, 2010, 03:21 AM

I see. Can I apply to be an apostle?
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Re: The before and after thread.
Reply #97 - February 08, 2010, 10:25 AM

you can be his handmaiden that his right hand possesseth

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Re: The before and after thread.
Reply #98 - February 08, 2010, 03:43 PM

I am beginning to have doubts whether Secular Humanism is something that appeals to me, since many atheists argue that it is almost like a proto-religion with its insistence on following a certain list of values, even if they do tend to make sense but it seems to arbitrary and ad-hoc rather than genuine understanding.

Hmm....

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Reply #99 - February 08, 2010, 04:30 PM

I happen to fall into the secular humanist camp too, but I dont know what you mean?

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Reply #100 - February 08, 2010, 05:23 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxjOOMqW85o

essentially what this man is saying in the middle...it made me think.

oh and this too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmGL8NQ519Q

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Re: The before and after thread.
Reply #101 - February 08, 2010, 05:49 PM

there's 20mins worth of videos there to watch - can you just summarise?

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Reply #102 - February 08, 2010, 06:01 PM

humanism is not a proto-religion!

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Reply #103 - February 08, 2010, 06:16 PM

I would say that the first video interview is the main reason behind it. The National Secular Society President gives some good pointers.

Watch from 3:00 to around 4:45

Maybe I get easily convinced?

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Re: The before and after thread.
Reply #104 - February 08, 2010, 06:30 PM

Quote from: z10 on February 08, 2010, 06:01 PM
humanism is not a proto-religion!

yep, humanism is more of a philosiophical outlook on life, rather than a religion with adherents..
Quote from: atheist.pk on February 08, 2010, 06:16 PM
I would say that the first video interview is the main reason behind it. The National Secular Society President gives some good pointers.

Watch from 3:00 to around 4:45

Maybe I get easily convinced?

It may have to stay for now, or at least up until you find a better way of defining yourself other than "I am me" or the negative "I am an exmuslim" camps.

Anyway, I still think secular humanists are the coolest dudes in the block.

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Reply #105 - February 08, 2010, 07:42 PM

Well I am cool with being a Secular Humanist. But even that isnt free from valid criticism.

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Re: The before and after thread.
Reply #106 - February 08, 2010, 07:54 PM

Quote from: belladonnasix on January 21, 2009, 11:31 AM
Concerning the members here, I have been wondering what the conversion pattern is. For example, one mightve been born into Christianity, then converted to Islam but is now Athiest. (Xian- Islam -Athiesm)

As for myself, its: Islam(by default) - Atheism - Paganism - Pantheism

what about the rest of you?

Muslim> Moderate Muslim> Agnostic > Atheist
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Re: The before and after thread.
Reply #107 - February 08, 2010, 07:58 PM

Quote from: Shirdon on February 08, 2010, 07:54 PM
Muslim> Moderate Muslim> Agnostic > Atheist

Muslim> sceptic> atheist

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Reply #108 - February 08, 2010, 08:05 PM

Quote from: Heyjustlooking on February 08, 2010, 07:58 PM
Muslim> sceptic> atheist

To be fair I was 'in' and 'out' of Islam when I was a Muslim. Came here, became a sceptic and now I'm an atheist. Looking into humanism.

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Reply #109 - February 13, 2010, 01:14 PM

Practising Muslim> Doubter> Atheist (but not hardcore. However, even if God does exist I don't care much for his existance).
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Reply #110 - February 13, 2010, 01:30 PM

Christian -> Muslim -> Atheist.

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Reply #111 - February 18, 2010, 11:05 PM

Mormon> Agnostic

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Reply #112 - February 18, 2010, 11:15 PM

Mormon? Really. That's interesting.

I dated a Mormon girl once. Her dad wanted to murder me.

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Reply #113 - February 19, 2010, 04:07 AM

I would have thought that was just a general dad thing with you. You know with the deflowering his little pumpkin and all.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Reply #114 - March 06, 2010, 12:03 AM

I was raised Mormon as well, though I don't usually advertise it, just like I don't advertise that I used to be Muslim. So for me it was

Mormon -> Theist -> Muslim -> Atheist

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Re: The before and after thread.
Reply #115 - March 06, 2010, 12:52 AM

Quote from: Rational1 on March 06, 2010, 12:03 AM
I was raised Mormon as well, though I don't usually advertise it, just like I don't advertise that I used to be Muslim. So for me it was

Mormon -> Theist -> Muslim -> Atheist

You used to be MORMON?!

What is the religion like? Is it as batshit crazy as everyone says it is?

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Reply #116 - March 06, 2010, 12:55 AM

Hahha, you should hook up with deusvult!!

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Reply #117 - March 06, 2010, 01:37 AM

Quote from: Cool Canadian on March 06, 2010, 12:52 AM
You used to be MORMON?! :jawdrop

Shhh! Usually I just say I was Christian

And yes, it is crazy what they believe, but they don't see it that way, much like Muslims don't think it's crazy to believe in jinns and the evil eye.

Anyway, I only admitted to it because deusvult did. Now we're not alone.

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Reply #118 - March 10, 2010, 08:39 AM

It took me a few years to think it over, but when the time came, I made a big leap from Islam to Atheism. No reason to believe in Allah if you don't believe in the religion that created him. And no reason to go to another religion when you just left one.

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Reply #119 - March 10, 2010, 09:28 AM

Quote from: MoeAlharbi on March 10, 2010, 08:39 AM
It took me a few years to think it over, but when the time came, I made a big leap from Islam to Atheism. No reason to believe in Allah if you don't believe in the religion that created him. And no reason to go to another religion when you just left one.

Agreed. I mean I can see the appeal, but you'd have to be prepared to sacrifice all the reasoning skills that you used to see through Islam, and to be honest once you've gained that reason, it's far too hard to let go of it.

All religions look equally as batshit insane to me, as Islam does now.

Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
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