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  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #450 - December 29, 2009, 01:13 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog on December 28, 2009, 07:25 AM
    I feel like cursing. MOTHERFUCKDONKEYFUCKER. Yeah the first chapter. WHO GIVES A FUCK ABOUT WHAT JEFFERY LANG THINKS? Was Jeffery Lang raped, mutilated, did he have acid thrown in his face, shot at, tortured? No? Even if he went through every single of one these things, and he still believed what the fuck would that prove? This argument is moronic. But I used to fall for it all the time, like a innocent school-girl walking into a big, dark van because the driver said "I?ll just drive you down the block, it's dark outside and somebody might hurt you".

    Anyways, summary, he said his main reason for not believing in God was because Pain was around. His father was a raging alcoholic who beat up his mother routinely, and him as well, along with his brothers. He lived in a shitty neighbourhood and refused to believe in God out of this reason MORE or LESS. He read the Quran, he hade many difficulties, but says because the passage of the Angels going "Why would you let a vicegerent on earth that will cause bloodshed when you have us" and God goes "D'Fuck do you care? Now shut the fuck up and prostrate before I bitch slap you". So this somehow made sense, and he goes at a diatribe how this along with feelings of faith when praying, reading Quran churning in his wee little belly made him go Allah Hu SnaaAkbar.  

    But I have a request, I beg you, I implore you, please read it yourself Smiley I think I?m a bit too angry right now, and my above post might show why.



    Well I told the muslim that I wont believe any muslim apologist  because often the apologists make up their own story as to why Allah tests us which may sound logical but that story doesnt have qurans backing. Quran doesnt say anything of that sort . Infact quran clearly tells us that Allah tests so that he can find out who is good and who is bad.There is not 1 but plenty of verses that tell us the same thing .The point is quran says that Allah tests us because he wants to find out something which is a clear cut error because he cant be All Knowing then. The muslim however said that this guy i.e author of this book has given proofs from quran as to explain why Allah tests us and thats why I asked you.Anyway  thanks for the help!
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #451 - December 29, 2009, 01:16 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog on December 29, 2009, 01:10 PM
    It took me so long to accept that it's a 7th century practise and we don't do it anymore. The man is not fit to be a leader for the 21th century. End of story.




    Was that aimed at me? IF yes You dont have to convince me . I already know this. I am disputing about minor details.muhhamad needs to be condemned and there is no doubt about this.
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #452 - December 29, 2009, 01:23 PM
    @skynightblaze

    No Smiley I'm talking about myself. And regular muslims. It's hard growing up, hearing how perfect he was, how loving he was. How the marriage was not for a sexual reason, but for a political tie and it would be rude and harmful to muslims if he didn't marry Aisha. And you read the hadits and the Sira and its like how are they connecting the dots?

    It almost wants to make me cry, and I'm grown man. Not because I lost love for a Prophet, ridiculous thinking, but because of all the lies and deceit. Jesus its like being in a cult and brain washed and anytime you discuss it with Muslims they'll tell you are wrong and you will burn in hell for eternity, at best, at worst somebody might actually try to physically harm you. No matter how much I try to wrap my head around it, picturing a 9 year old and then picturing an adult, its just wrong. I?m sorry. It?s just wrong. This is not aimed at you either, but we have guests browsing CEMB forum and I suspect some of them are Muslims. This is one thread they will definitely read.

    I've heard Muslim Arabs go well what's the problem? That's what they did back then. The West has a problem with this, not us kind of thinking. And they go on and say our grandmothers married when they were 13. But if it truly wasn't a modern problem, this marrying at 9, then why do Christian Arabs call Mohamed a Paedophile. Now some of them might hate Muslims and Islam and say it out of spite (ie they might agree that it was done back in the 7th century but they wont say it themselves) but I'm sure some of them don't have any problems with Muslim but simply find it to be a repulsive act. And they are Arabs and born and raised in Arabic countries. Not to mention the fact that there are Arabs who are ex Muslims, born and raised and still living in Arabic countries that have found this and find it to be a repulsive act. Not an excusable act. Not one that should be emulated, certainly not in today?s age. The problem is, that it is still emulated in today?s age, and it will be, even 200 years from now because the sunna of the prophet is always correct.  
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #453 - December 29, 2009, 01:24 PM
    Quote from: skynightblaze on December 29, 2009, 01:13 PM
    Well I told the muslim that I wont believe any muslim apologist  because often the apologists make up their own story as to why Allah tests us which may sound logical but that story doesnt have qurans backing. Quran doesnt say anything of that sort . Infact quran clearly tells us that Allah tests so that he can find out who is good and who is bad.There is not 1 but plenty of verses that tell us the same thing .The point is quran says that Allah tests us because he wants to find out something which is a clear cut error because he cant be All Knowing then. The muslim however said that this guy i.e author of this book has given proofs from quran as to explain why Allah tests us and thats why I asked you.Anyway  thanks for the help!


    NP

    Btw I'm sorry about my tone in this post. I had just found out more info on Khomeini?s ruling for frotting with infants and I was furious. It reflected in every post I made that day.
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #454 - December 29, 2009, 02:09 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog on December 29, 2009, 01:23 PM
    @skynightblaze

    No Smiley I'm talking about myself. And regular muslims. It's hard growing up, hearing how perfect he was, how loving he was. How the marriage was not for a sexual reason, but for a political tie and it would be rude and harmful to muslims if he didn't marry Aisha. And you read the hadits and the Sira and its like how are they connecting the dots?


    Ofcourse thats bullshit ! Abu Bakr and Muhhamad were already friends so need for a political tie. but even assuming that was the reason its still crap! You just have to ask the muslim the right question. How does having sex with a minor help in building a political tie? Would it not have been achieved without sex ? I dont see any need to have sex with a minor to build ties!

    Quote from: BlackDog
    I've heard Muslim Arabs go well what's the problem? That's what they did back then. The West has a problem with this, not us kind of thinking. And they go on and say our grandmothers married when they were 13. But if it truly wasn't a modern problem, this marrying at 9, then why do Christian Arabs call Mohamed a Paedophile. Now some of them might hate Muslims and Islam and say it out of spite (ie they might agree that it was done back in the 7th century but they wont say it themselves) but I'm sure some of them don't have any problems with Muslim but simply find it to be a repulsive act. And they are Arabs and born and raised in Arabic countries. Not to mention the fact that there are Arabs who are ex Muslims, born and raised and still living in Arabic countries that have found this and find it to be a repulsive act. Not an excusable act. Not one that should be emulated, certainly not in today?s age. The problem is, that it is still emulated in today?s age, and it will be, even 200 years from now because the sunna of the prophet is always correct.  


    Here is how I refuted a muslim regarding the crap argument that it was a norm those times!

    Quote from: Skynightblaze
    Firstly I would like you to provide proof to prove that old men marrying little girls was a custom.Young boys marrying young girls could have been norm but how about proving old men marrying young girls as old as 6?.

    Anyway let us assume that it was a custom. I can still debunk this bullshit argument of yours.

    First of all just because it?s a custom doesn?t mean its right.Hindus followed a practice called Sati wherein wife was pushed into the fire after her husbands death. Now it was a norm some 200 years ago . SO does that mean that burning your wife is ok?

    Similarly child marriage and child sex are not at all ok and it is not what I say but its as per medical science SO what Muhhamad and others did was 100 % wrong in the light of medical science we have today. Now the only question is whether it would be appropriate to blame them or not considering the fact that these men had no knowledge of it?

    Ordinary men can be excused since they committed this sin unknowingly but we have a man here who claimed to be a prophet of GOD. How is that GOD also didn?t understand that child marriage and child sex are bad? How could a prophet of GOD commit this sin unknowingly?

    IF muhhamad was a prophet then God would have guided him. Infact this is a proof that GOD and he had no connection and he was just another illiterate arab who fell for the evil norms or customs of his times(assuming that it was really a norm).Ideally he should be setting an example by going against this norm . Please tell me what is the difference between ordinary men and him if he followed the same set of evil customs? So you see Muhhamad cannot be excused even if it was a norm since he claimed to be a prophet from God


    Also He cannot be a uswa hasana is other argument!
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #455 - December 29, 2009, 02:28 PM
    skynightblaze

     Afro arguments
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #456 - December 29, 2009, 04:57 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog
    skynightblaze

      Afro arguments


    To be frank I am not upto the point on this thread.  I am simply out of mind today.I am answering by just having a glance at the arguments and without reading the complete argument. Let me get this straight now.The appropriate response should be like this:


     When a muslim says that Muhhamad married Aisha for a political reason and not for sex he is merely telling us the reasons for marriage. We are interested in knowing why he had sex with her when she was a minor and not why he married her assuming that  marriage was really for political reasons.

    A muslim might here come up with an argument like sex is a natural consequence of a marriage i.e he would want to tell you that since he married her it was ok to have sex with her.This still doesnt save Muhhamad .The conditions when one can have sex without committing a crime are :

    1)A girl should be physically mature

    2)She should consent .


    By simply marrying  both these conditions arent satisfied.A minor remains a minor even if you marry her.In short you would still be committing a crime even if you have married since  the above conditions are not met.


    Regarding the second argument regarding norm is fine I guess.
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #457 - December 29, 2009, 05:44 PM
    Isn't there a verse in the Quran which discusses how one should behave (sexually) with ones wife if she hasn't reached puberty. Apologists can wriggle all they like but the fact remains that medival societies and Muslims who are still stuck in medival times did marry and have sexual relations with minors. The problem Islam has is that because it claims to be a message for all times and all places, it has to try to explain away norms of the 7th century in the modern world. This leaves Muslims with 3 options;

    a) Deny it ever happened
    b) Reject modernity and retreat into a medival mindset
    c) Claim it was a custom of the time and no longer relevant (which contradicts Islam's claim to be a message for all times).

    Tragic really.
    Take the Pakman challenge and convince me there is a God and Mo was not a murdering, power hungry sex maniac.
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #458 - December 29, 2009, 09:29 PM
    Quote
    This leaves Muslims with 3 options;

    a) Deny it ever happened
    b) Reject modernity and retreat into a medival mindset
    c) Claim it was a custom of the time and no longer relevant (which contradicts Islam's claim to be a message for all times).

    Tragic really.


    Exactly! This is Islam's achilles heel, at least one of the most vulnerable of them.

    I wonder if the reason why Muslims become so hysterical over any perceived insult to Mo is because they know this. They want to create a thought crime by bloodcurdling rhetoric and violence if anybody even says his name in the wrong tone. Because when you do start to examine him truthfully - it is mindblowing, and in so many ways, he was morally repulsive. And the edifice of Islam begins to crumble when you do so.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #459 - December 29, 2009, 09:35 PM
    Quote from: skynightblaze on December 29, 2009, 04:57 PM
    1)A girl should be physically mature

    2)She should consent .

    Don't forget mentally mature, you cannot provide real consent if you don't know what you're getting yourself into.
    ~My story~
    ~Collection of unethical hadiths/surahs~
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #460 - December 30, 2009, 01:07 AM
    Quote from: Baal on December 29, 2009, 05:16 AM
    The link states that intercourse is not permissible only if she can not withstand intercourse.


    Ye how many girls would actually be fit to withstand intercourse at 3 or even at the age of Aisha for that matter?
    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #461 - December 30, 2009, 02:45 AM
    Bah, i dont trust Hadith. Most were made and supported by those who were against Muhammad then pretended to believe him by converting to Islam. Thats why after Muhammad died, many Muslims who followed him were killed and those who were against Muhammad ruled the country.
    http://www.quran-islam.org
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #462 - December 30, 2009, 02:51 AM
    Quote
    Bah, i dont trust Hadith. Most were made and supported by those who were against Muhammad then pretended to convert to Islam


    Ah yes, how convenient  Afro

    You know, I've often thought, even if something was made up by double-crossing, crafty enemies of Mo (LoL), it says alot about the acceptance of the practises of Mo, that these hadith were taken as writ and normative and defended by believing Muslims for so long.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #463 - December 30, 2009, 02:53 AM
    @Billy : yeah,..like 5 times a day praying times for example.. in Quran there's actually only 4 times of a day for Praying... And that women and men were never being said cant pray side by side. Hadith ruin my precious belief  Roll Eyes
    http://www.quran-islam.org
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #464 - December 30, 2009, 03:15 AM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on December 29, 2009, 09:35 PM
    Don't forget mentally mature, you cannot provide real consent if you don't know what you're getting yourself into.


    I thought point 2 covered  it and hence didnt mention it separately.A girl can consent only if she is mentally mature.I dont think so Aisha ever agreed to have sex when she was 9.It must be filthy Mo who must have approached her with his dirty intentions.

    Now I dont know if this is possible that a child agrees to have sex without knowing what sex is all about as she is mentally immature.In that case I need to add point 3 as you say.
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #465 - December 30, 2009, 03:15 AM
    Nice try Musulman. Even without the hadiths, you still have to deal with that divine brain-fart called the Quran. Astagfirullah.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #466 - December 30, 2009, 03:17 AM
    Quran is Perfect to me, i could use Quran verse to burn jin but i can never use Hadith to burn anything.
    http://www.quran-islam.org
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #467 - December 30, 2009, 03:17 AM
     Cheesy
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #468 - December 30, 2009, 03:19 AM
    Laugh all you want, i swear by the life of my mother, father, and Allah himself that jin are real. I have experience, not like you.
    http://www.quran-islam.org
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #469 - December 30, 2009, 03:20 AM
    They see me trollin'
    They hatin'

    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #470 - December 30, 2009, 07:57 AM
    lol kafirist

    I rolled up a Jinn in my weed last night and smoked him/her. Shit was goooooood. And it's a miracle mashallah because there was no smoke when I exhaled. Like you know in the Quran and shit God said I make Jinn like smokeless fire.
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #471 - December 31, 2009, 05:21 AM
    thing that gets me is that the same people who trot out the ' you cant judge people by 7th century  thinking , it was another way of life, not relevant to the present days '
     then go on to base their whole lives around exactly that. If pedophilia has gone out of fashion why not all the other 7th century bunkum and woo that they dedicate their life to?
    According to the polls only 1.6 % of Americans are athiests. So what gives you the right to call the other 80% morons?'
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #472 - December 31, 2009, 12:18 PM
    You have experience with a Jin?! EEEEWWWWWWWWWWW!!!  piggy

    No but seriously, what was it like? I bet its kind of a shaker realising you are scizofrenic... like when they told Russel Crowe in Beaitiful Mind.
    "We are never deceived, we deceive ourselves." - from Goethes Faust
    "Only the wisest and the stupidest men never change." - Confuzios
    "there is no religion of peace, only people who are peaceful while being religious."
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #473 - December 31, 2009, 03:44 PM
    Quote from: Heyjustlooking on December 30, 2009, 01:07 AM
    Ye how many girls would actually be fit to withstand intercourse at 3 or even at the age of Aisha for that matter?

    Forgot to mention that the arabic fatwa considered a girl that can withstand intercourse as a 'samina - fat' and the girl that can not withstand as skinny. So in short, you want to marry your girl early, fatten her up.
    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #474 - December 31, 2009, 03:48 PM
    Quote from: gatty on December 30, 2009, 03:17 AM
    Quran is Perfect to me, i could use Quran verse to burn jin but i can never use Hadith to burn anything.

    Stop burning living intelligent things. That is digusting. If a UFO lands in your backyard, and a little guy comes out to greet you, you will burn him too?
    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #475 - December 31, 2009, 05:41 PM
    Quote from: Baal on December 31, 2009, 03:48 PM
    Stop burning living intelligent things. That is digusting. If a UFO lands in your backyard, and a little guy comes out to greet you, you will burn him too?



    You gotta stop!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #476 - December 31, 2009, 07:26 PM
    I still can not get over how a human being, can come out and non-challantly confesses that he burns sentient creatures. I find it disgusting when people burn ants, and this murdering animal is taking pride in actually burning intelligent creatures. Regardless if it is only in his head. Still a fucking murderer.
    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #477 - December 31, 2009, 07:59 PM
    riiiight
    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #478 - January 01, 2010, 10:17 AM
    lol crazy baal Cheesy
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #479 - January 03, 2010, 07:32 PM
    watch from 0:50 onwards

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F13gtjjDEgE
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