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  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #210 - November 13, 2009, 10:10 PM
    Quote from: pdbedl on November 13, 2009, 10:04 PM
    You keep bringing up this pissing contest, a sure sign of insecurity.  parrot



    It's not a pissing contest, I just can't believe you're going on about the EDL as though it bears any semblance of a good idea, It's nothing personal.
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  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #211 - November 13, 2009, 10:33 PM
     
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    Can I just go back to an earlier point about perhaps the EDL being 'hostile'.  It is born from fear, make no mistake.  Ordinary people are bloody terrified, they see the awful things that go on in muslim states under the name of 'sharia' and see sharia law in the UK as a first step on that path.  This fear is what has got ordinary people on the streets of this nation.


     It was most certainly born from fear,that is pretty obvious from reading the posts on the ELD forum.I think it was also a result of people's frustration.To be honest I am sick to the teeth of political correctness,having to constantly be careful what I say and make sure I don't offend anyone.The things Tommy speaks about are more the result of political correctness than Islamic fundamentalism.The truth is before this PC nonsense came into being the majority of people got on very well and the only ones who didn't were the bigots and you will never change them no matter how many laws you pass.

      I think we have established that full blown Sharia law will never be implemented in the UK so its one fear that has been put to bed.If there was a real risk of it happening I would be stocking up on explosives and guns rather than thinking about going on demonstrations.It would be our worst nightmare but thankfully due to living in a stable country it isn't going to happen.Sharia law seems to take hold in countries which are politically unstable such as Somalia and Nigeria.
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #212 - November 13, 2009, 10:37 PM
    Good point - even the majority of Muslim countries dont have Shariah law.  Yet your poisonous soundbite "shariah has been/is about to be implemented" will prey on those who are ignorant and looking for trouble.  These people exist on both sides of the community - what good can possibly come out of it, apart from more hatred and inevitable bloodshed?
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  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #213 - November 13, 2009, 10:46 PM
     quote] Yet your poisonous soundbite will prey on those who are ignorant and looking for trouble.[/quote]

     Which posionous soundbite?
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #214 - November 13, 2009, 10:48 PM
    *edited my post
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  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #215 - November 13, 2009, 11:04 PM
     I see your point now. Its difficult to educate people when we have papers sending out the message that Sharia law is going to implemented in the UK by some madman called Anjem Choudary.The majority of ELD members think this is a reality so how do you change their minds?

     
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #216 - November 13, 2009, 11:18 PM
    You cant because of pedellars in influential positions like pdbedl, right through to the top, from the sponsors such as Alan Lake.  Its like a volcano waiting to erupt.
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  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #217 - November 13, 2009, 11:24 PM
    Are we still on this? Look the EDL are either very stupid or racist. I hope it's the former but either way I don't want anything to do with you guys.
    Take the Pakman challenge and convince me there is a God and Mo was not a murdering, power hungry sex maniac.
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #218 - November 13, 2009, 11:26 PM
    yep its current - read the whole thread..
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  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #219 - November 13, 2009, 11:41 PM
    Jack, I'm just folk mate, worked hard all my life, paid my taxes for over 50 years, never been involved in politics, I've 3 daughters and 6 grandchildren.
    Last time i had a fight was in 1968, so I am NOT and never have been a violent man.

    Now I have taken to the streets because I see the future of my children and grandchildren threatened and I am angry, that people who I have given refuge too are trying to destroy my country and telling me that I and my children are , what, haram is that the word, unclean.
    Then I learn through 7/7 that these people not only hate us, they want to blow us to bits or take us over and inflict their barbaric, nasty religion on my free country.

    I love my country, i am proud of what we stand for, do you? Simple question, do you love your country.
    Arthur.
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #220 - November 14, 2009, 12:06 AM
    Quote from: pdbedl on November 13, 2009, 08:20 AM
    Just a quick note to thank those of you that have been sending support via the PM system here, it really is good to hear.  It is also heart warming to see that apologists such as Cheetah and Jack don't hold the same views as a good deal of the mainstream membership.


    Don't be a dick. This is douchey thing to say for two reasons:

    1. If you want to thank people who PMed you, you do so by replying to their PMs not making a big show of it on this thread so you can plant the idea in people's heads that there is come kind of "silent majority" of the rank-and-file that opposes the "CEMB line", as if you want to suggest to people the existence of a clandestine movement of dissenters on the forum. It's embarassingly transparent what your "thanks" on this thread was really intended to convey.

    2. It's pretty ridiculous to come onto a forum for apostates from Islam and accuse one of the apostates and one of the forum staff of being "apologists" for shariah law, simply because they disagree with you about the level of threat, and the tactics and ideology of your organization. It makes you sound like a Trotskyist or Maoist angrily denouncing other socialists who disagree with them as being bourgeois collaborationists. The CEMB and this forum has done a lot to assist apostates, providing them with information, advice, moral and material support-- while your boys were busy getting Muslims to defensively dig in their heels by engaging in counterproductive activities like yelling at people going into mosques to pray.

    You came onto this site with some promise, but it was unreasonable to expect there would be no hostility from a left-leaning internationalist organization towards a right-leaning nationalist group, especially when you do have fascists and neo-Nazis amongst your ranks (even if you think that's not what the EDL is all about and would like those people out of the organization), and when it became clear the CEMB wants nothing to do with the EDL, you became angry and irrational. Earlier you said you'd be leaving-- do so if you must, but if you're gonna stick around you need to accept some basic realities of the situation and not be a dick by (1) trying to undermine the organization by conjuring up a non-existent wedge between the CEMB and the forum membership, and (2) calling anyone who disagrees with you "apologists"

    Quote from: IsLame on November 13, 2009, 05:00 PM
    Whatever, I could smell a nasty undercurrent before, and even more so now.  But you are free to rub shoulders with that mob of predominantly football hooligans if you want.  Count me out.


    You know, to us Americans, soccer hooligans are quite amusing:




    fuck you
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #221 - November 14, 2009, 12:11 AM
     Arthur wrote
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    Now I have taken to the streets because I see the future of my children and grandchildren threatened and I am angry, that people who I have given refuge too are trying to destroy my country and telling me that I and my children are , what, haram is that the word, unclean.
    Then I learn through 7/7 that these people not only hate us, they want to blow us to bits or take us over and inflict their barbaric, nasty religion on my free country.


     Arthur,both you and I know they are not going to implement their "barbaric and nasty" relgion on us.We all have the right of freedom of religion in the UK.I just wish back would step back a bit and look at the facts rather than believing all the bullshit written in the papers.The ELD is fast becoming a monster that is getting out of control.We have been through all this before in nineteen thirties Germany when perfectly rational people started to believe every bit of nonsense that was fed to them.Its a form of mass hysteria and we certainly don't want it in the UK.Its the path to race riots and public disorder.

     
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #222 - November 14, 2009, 06:30 AM
    Can we stop repeating the crap that sharia will not be implemented.  It has been clearly established that it already has.  100% fact.
    Our doubts are traitors, and make us lose the good we oft might win by fearing the attempt - William Shakespeare
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #223 - November 14, 2009, 08:01 AM
    Ok, so I assume you can provide me with examples of the following:

    1/ Apostates from Islam being beheaded in the UK.
    2/ Adulterers being stoned to death in the UK.
    3/ Thieves having their hands cut off in the UK.
    4/ Gays being stoned or beheaded or hung (hey, take your pick) in the UK.

    That, my friend, is what "sharia has been implemented in the UK" would mean.


    It does not mean a few old farts making non-binding pronouncements about family matters. There is a difference.
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  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #224 - November 14, 2009, 09:06 AM
    Quote from: arthur1 on November 13, 2009, 11:41 PM
    Then I learn through 7/7 that these people not only hate us, they want to blow us to bits or take us over and inflict their barbaric, nasty religion on my free country.

    I love my country, i am proud of what we stand for, do you? Simple question, do you love your country.
    Arthur.


    The 'they' you speak of - you mean a tiny minority of criminal minded extremists. Wouldn't get your knickers in a twist about it Arf. Sounds like, as a family man, you will have a lot more on your plate to worry about, like genuine concerns. Dont be like Pitbull and spend what could be quality time with the kids, 'spreading the word' to people who know about the 'threat' in far more realistic terms than the EDL.

    I'm not sure what we stand for tbh - hypocrisy, a govt that doesn't give a shit, football hooligan mentality, Brits abroad mentality, alcoholism, alcohol fuelled violence, an educations system that is probably the worst in the whole of Europe and TV programming made by retards for retards, oh, and a good old sunday roast!

    Or are you harping back, misty eyed, to the England of old? Streets that weren't packed, bumper to bumper with cars, when you could walk home after eleven and not see puke and blood on the streets, when houses didn't cost the earth, when there was a sense of community, when people actually trusted each other? Yes, sure I miss that.

    What does it mean to 'love' your country? You mean its topography? Yes, I do. It's people? Sometimes, sometimes I prefer the foreigners I meet here. I'm certainly not proud of the image people have of the UK, and it's not one of sharia courts in every town, no, it's the images they see of pissed up union jack waving lads looking much like EDL members, on the rampage.
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #225 - November 14, 2009, 09:42 AM
    Quote from: Jack Torrance on November 14, 2009, 09:06 AM
    What does it mean to 'love' your country? You mean its topography? Yes, I do. It's people? Sometimes, sometimes I prefer the foreigners I meet here. I'm certainly not proud of the image people have of the UK, and it's not one of sharia courts in every town, no, it's the images they see of pissed up union jack waving lads looking much like EDL members, on the rampage.

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  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #226 - November 14, 2009, 10:23 AM
    Quote from: Tony on November 13, 2009, 07:49 PM
    So far the EDL's demos have been quite peaceful,Birmingham being the exception,but that was down to Salma Yacoub stirring up trouble and a poor policing operation.I hope things remain that way but there is a real risk the authorities won't be able to keep Muslim youths under control much longer and we will end up with race riots.So far they have done a remarkable job in keeping them away from EDL demonstrations.


    Yes. This has been my concern from the start.

    Large groups of angry white youths who fear their lives and families are threatened, chanting slogans towards large groups of angry Asian youths who fear their lives and families are threatened = Race Riot.

    It's also obvious the far-right will try to exploit EDL for their own ends and the far-left will try to exploit the Asian Youth for their own ends.

    It's not rocket science.

    I do understand the concerns and fears many in the EDL have - and I don't believe that the ones on this forum are racists or far-right. But I just can't get past the conclusion that the approach and nature of EDL will only increase division, fear, and suspicion. Worse still - kick off race-riots!
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #227 - November 14, 2009, 10:35 AM
    Read this story:
    http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/the-council-house-single-mother-seven-divorced-against-her-will

    It is a sad story and it displays a problem that needs to be addressed. But it is about the worst thing that a religious arbitration court in the UK can possibly do. And it is not the downfall of Western society or Engerland.
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  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #228 - November 14, 2009, 11:11 AM
    Quote from: pdbedl on November 13, 2009, 01:23 PM
    Wasn't gonna reply, but you seem to have some kind of fixation about this Lord Ahmed.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQisZM1X8lU

    From 0:38 seconds.

    Will you accept the spoken testimony from a peer of the realm?

    Probably not judging by your sheer head in the sand posts so far.


    Lord Pearson states that his source for this claim is Black Rod.  Lord Ahmed denies he ever said it, and having searched all over google, I find no statement at all from Black Rod.

    So here's the thing - its Lord Pearson's word against Lord Ahmed's and both those men are proven liars.  You really count that as evidence?  The common sense explanation is that Ahmed's claim that Wilders presence would threaten community relations and public security, (in itself a stupid and damning enough thing for a peer of the realm to say!), was turned into threats of 10,000 rioting muslims by Lord Pearson's overactive imagination.  Just like the same man's over active imagination conjured up a birth rate of 19 children per woman among UK muslims.   Roll Eyes

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  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #229 - November 14, 2009, 11:17 AM
    Quote from: pdbedl on November 14, 2009, 06:30 AM
    Can we stop repeating the crap that sharia will not be implemented.  It has been clearly established that it already has.  100% fact.


     Where? Can you provided some newspaper reports about these cases and judgements.
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #230 - November 14, 2009, 11:18 AM
     popcorn
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  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #231 - November 14, 2009, 11:21 AM
    Gimme some of that.  grin12
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  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #232 - November 14, 2009, 11:57 AM
    I think it it pretty clear that the first bricks, the foundations of of the house of Islam are being built, with the help of our government, over a period of time I think these courts will grow and gain increased powers, I can't guess the time scale, but in 20/30 years, brick by brick.

    Now is the time to nip it in the bud.

    There are schools funded by the Saudis, one was recently in the papers for having books that taught that Jew are dogs etc and they were ordered by Ofstead to be shredded and they photocopied them, so these children are being told and taught to hate, how many will go on to become extremists.

    This too needs to be nipped in the bud. In a multi-cultural society all schools need to be multicultural, no one group should dominate any other.
    So the answer is too ban all faith schools, which seems a bit unfair to the Christian faith schools because they don't cause many problems and some have been established for hundreds of years. In fact some some of them were the first schools ever in England.

    As an atheist I want religious groups to have little say in the state and in the main they don't, I don't mind a few bishops in the house of Lords or a few reps from other faiths and thats about it, I do not want a republic and I support the Queen.

    If your campaign for a secular state involves dismantling how our system works now, then I'd have to be against that.

    Arthur.
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #233 - November 14, 2009, 12:22 PM
    "and I support the Queen."


    And for what reasons? She and her vile family are nothing more than parasites.
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #234 - November 14, 2009, 02:57 PM
    Jack, I think that's probably the wrong thing to say to a patriot.

    As for parasites the government get more money from the royal family than they pay out.

    As head of state the queen has done a good non political job, she has few powers and she uses them very sparingly, unlike presidents who have a political agenda and would take sides in any political argument.

    You have to understand what holds us together as a nation, one of them is the threads of tradition, which is the history of how we arrived here, today.
    Dismantle this at your peril. Labour has been busy doing this for the last 10 years, Part of it's plan was the chaos of immigration when many more countries joined the EU, and the predicted influx was 15,000 and in fact it was hundreds of thousands.
    The excuse being that we needed there skills, well if they stopped sending every one to unit and put more into skill centres, then we would need their skills. Really it was a plan to diminish Englishness.

    I cannot for one single moment imagine any of the present politicians becoming a head of state, please do not try and inflict a president Boris or Tony on us.

    If it works don't fix it, just because the present lot of politicians have sullied parliament does not mean that we tear it all down and start again.

    I think that if there was an attempt to abolish the queen they'd have a revolution on their hands.
    In the early sixties, when Labour and Harold Wilson first came to power, the army planned a coup if there was any sign of him trying to abolish the monarchy, I think the same would happen now.
    Solders sign up to Queen and country, so by defending her their actions would be quite legal in a constitutional sense.

    Arthur.
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #235 - November 14, 2009, 03:36 PM
    Jack, I think that's probably the wrong thing to say to a patriot.
    No kidding? I'm sorry about that, but obviously we see this v differently.

    As for parasites the government get more money from the royal family than they pay out.
    Yes, the government are parasites too.

    As head of state the queen has done a good non political job, she has few powers and she uses them very sparingly,
    Translation; She's does nothing. (Please dont tell me about her 'charities' or trips around the world paid for by us.)


    You have to understand what holds us together as a nation, one of them is the threads of tradition, which is the history of how we arrived here, today.
    Dismantle this at your peril.
    What will happen? Our country will be fucked? Omg! The very thought of it!

    I cannot for one single moment imagine any of the present politicians becoming a head of state, please do not try and inflict a president Boris or Tony on us.

    I can't imagine us being in more of a mess than we already are, and I'm not inflicting anything, I'm a victim, as much as you are.

    If it works don't fix it.
    Ha ha, good one.

    I think that if there was an attempt to abolish the queen they'd have a revolution on their hands.
    Bring it on Afro
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #236 - November 14, 2009, 06:23 PM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgmX_ANZGZg

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  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #237 - November 15, 2009, 01:39 PM
    Didn't understand the above video nineberry, what was it's message.
    Arthur.
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #238 - November 15, 2009, 01:51 PM
    Quote from: Tony on November 14, 2009, 12:11 AM
    Arthur wrote
     Arthur,both you and I know they are not going to implement their "barbaric and nasty" relgion on us.

    From past experience watching secular societies becoming sharialand, I have no reason to believe you Tony.
    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #239 - November 15, 2009, 02:01 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on November 14, 2009, 08:01 AM
    Ok, so I assume you can provide me with examples of the following:

    1/ Apostates from Islam being beheaded in the UK.
    2/ Adulterers being stoned to death in the UK.
    3/ Thieves having their hands cut off in the UK.
    4/ Gays being stoned or beheaded or hung (hey, take your pick) in the UK.

    That, my friend, is what "sharia has been implemented in the UK" would mean.


    It does not mean a few old farts making non-binding pronouncements about family matters. There is a difference.

    No Os, those are not signs that Sharia is being implemented. Egypt is today Sharialand. Yet no one is being beheaded, no one being stoned, no hands are being cut, and no gays are being hung. Your understanding of Sharia seems to be too much in the black & white zone (distanced from reality).

    Five guys leaving church, getting run over (and killed all of them) by a muslim driver. The muslim police does not stop and later the muslim judicial system does not prosecute the driver, and the muslim medical system refuses to give access to the Five guys for hours after the accident (when thekids were still alive) and nothing gets done about it. That is a sign of Sharia being implemented.

    Non-muslim Girls getting kidnapped on their way from school, and the muslim police doing nothing about it as the family tells them where are the girls. Sharia.

    Taking girls right before they finish their highschool and marrying them to old bastards, that is sharia being implemented (Happens in the UK).

    Family meeting to discuss some matter where some girl get thrown out of the 20th floor. Sharia. UK.

    The brother of my priest getting run over. The priest goes to Cairo and demand to see the body. The body was lying on its side. His brother was buried alive. The guy that ran him over, no prosecution. The murderers who checked him in the hospital, then buried him, no prosecutions. Sharia.

    You apostate? then your marriage is nulled and the kids taken away from you. If you live in the UK, then your wife can take the kids and run back home, directly against the orders of a UK judge. Still the kids will not be returned. Sharia.
    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
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