Re: Try to defeat my God, I dare ye!
Reply #49 - December 29, 2009, 09:08 AM
I made a prediction ages ago, told my self if I ever stopped believing in Quran then I would most likely not believe in a God. I didn't believe in any other religion, so if Islam went then I really couldn't see what proof there was of a God. What is this God doing? Being smug? Careless? And it wouldn't really matter, if there now was a God he or she would make it clear. Everybody would follow the same religion. I mean literally the same. Deistic believers saying ?well I believe in this and that?, I couldn't see where they got their proof from. And honestly the arguments for a deistic god are pretty poor. I could believe in a pink Unicorn. Somebody might find that offensive or ridiculous. But why cant I find it ridiculous or silly that you believe in something you cant see, feel or touch etc. You cant point to any natural causes and go Aha here is the hand of god. And I never believed in mysteries, spirits and ghosts etc. It's the fact that Gods have been around for ages, so thinking they don?t exist used to get you killed in the past, and then we evolved to one God, thinking He (how silly is that seriously) doesnt exist got you killed. Now people think you're ridiculous if you believe in the FSM.
I have friend who doesn?t believe in religion, and believes in a God, the God, and same God as everybody else believes in. He used to be an atheist before, and then became a deist. He never really said how this changed, arguments used several years ago were ?Take a look at the beauty and complexity of the world?, ?There are good people in the world. This comes from God. Evil is free will that God gave us. God made us responsible.? He?d refuse to say He or She for God, said that its silly.
He wouldn?t say why its silly and he didn?t have to. I found it silly as well, and I was a muslim during these discussions with him. But I would think well, its metaphorical, and that?s how the arabs would understand it back then, just like the We form, which expresses a Royal-like tone. But these arguments don?t hold much ground, one if its metaphorical then She can be used. Two, arabs had female deities, it wouldn?t be difficult for them to understand She for god. And the We argument, well I never really understood that one.
But next time we?ll have a talk, I?ll refer to god as transgendered. After all if god created the world, then he created transgendered humans. Whats wrong with that? If he says its silly, I?ll tell him yes it is, but that?s only your perception. Doesn?t make it real fact. Its not just as silly to believe there is something up there? Or all around us? God is in my poo? In the female rape victims wounds?
Just because I agree with you and person X aggress with you doesn?t make it true. There are loads of people that believe in imaginary things, doesn?t make it true. A person can go to court, and a lot of people can believe he is innocent or guilty, none of that makes it true. Conclusive evidence proving he is guilty or innocent, now that makes it true or false. And the conclusive evidence for a God is what? ?How this world was created AND how its so beautiful". We explain the world with theory of evolution, and the argument for the beauty of world is really subjective, we think the world is subjective because we have nothing else to refer to. Similarly music can beautiful, art, etc, and these are all man-made.
So really, what solid arguments and evidence is there for a God? Theistic/Deistic?
Topic: Try to defeat my God, I dare ye!