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  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #240 - February 20, 2010, 09:14 AM
    Quote from: charlesmartel on February 20, 2010, 09:08 AM
    It is easy to criticize a forum, any forum, by cherry picking certain posts. One could point out to Q-Man's post referring to SNB's mother. That kind of comment is not tolerated at FFI no matter what.

    I have not seen the comment, but wouldnt be surprised if it was a half-hearted comment anyway.  The more we discuss FFI, the more I am convinced it is still retains a certain religious moral conservatism & illiberal authoritative mindset.
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  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #241 - February 20, 2010, 09:22 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on February 20, 2010, 09:14 AM
    I have not seen the comment, but wouldnt be surprised if it was a half-hearted comment anyway.  The more we discuss FFI, the more I am convinced it is still retains a certain religious moral conservatism & illiberal authoritative mindset.


    LOL. I don't have a heart-measuring device with me, and I don't think anyone else has it either. That was a weak attempt to justify what you claim not to have even seen.

    FFI retains and supports whatever it takes to combat Islam.
    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #242 - February 20, 2010, 09:24 AM
    Quote from: charlesmartel on February 20, 2010, 09:22 AM
    LOL. I don't have a heart-measuring device with me, and I don't think anyone else has it either. That was a weak attempt to justify what you claim not to have even seen.

    FFI retains and supports whatever it takes to combat Islam.


    Even terrorism?
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #243 - February 20, 2010, 09:25 AM
    lol.. suicide bomb a mosque?

    Oh wait, sunnis do that already..
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #244 - February 20, 2010, 10:42 AM
    Quote from: charlesmartel on February 20, 2010, 09:08 AM


    It is easy to criticize a forum, any forum, by cherry picking certain posts. One could point out to Q-Man's post referring to SNB's mother. That kind of comment is not tolerated at FFI no matter what.




    Of course it's not, FFI is an innocent heavenly slice of teh interwebz where bunnies really are furry and fluffy and light.  No insults are tolerated there, ever.  Roll Eyes
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #245 - February 20, 2010, 10:46 AM
    @BerberElla

    The kind of insults that Qman threw at me arent tolerated on FFI. That insult was grave and thats why I was left with no option but to return him back with abuse. There is no excuse for the way he abused me so please stop defending it.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #246 - February 20, 2010, 11:06 AM
    Quote from: Hassan on February 20, 2010, 12:23 AM
    OMG you really hate Q-man don't you, well I don't know why you're telling me - you seem to have me confused with someone who gives a fuck what you think.


    He doesnt care about what Ansar thinks isnt an answer to what Ansar has posted. Its  an escape route to get out of the problem. I see you have problems with some FFI members and you always make an issue of it .Now the tables are turned .

    Now when Ansar raises an issue here about some members of CEMB , I dont see anything wrong in that  so I would like to see whats your opinion when FFI people have problems with some members here. WE dont say that so and so person at FFI doesnt care what you think and avoid the issue at hand.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #247 - February 20, 2010, 11:18 AM
    Quote from: skynightblaze on February 20, 2010, 11:06 AM
    He doesnt care about what Ansar thinks isnt an answer to what Ansar has posted. Its  an escape route to get out of the problem. I see you have problems with some FFI members and you always make an issue of it .Now the tables are turned .

    Now when Ansar raises an issue here about some members of CEMB , I dont see anything wrong in that  so I would like to see whats your opinion when FFI people have problems with some members here. WE dont say that so and so person at FFI doesnt care what you think and avoid the issue at hand.


    Sorry but I'm not inclined to answer anything Ansar asks me - however since you asked me...

    Yes I agree Q-Man can be very rude and insulting and says some pretty crazy things sometimes, but I'm quite sure he wouldn't advocate nuking, mass murder, forced re-education camps, expelling an entire community because of their religion etc...

    A great deal of what Q-Man says when he goes off on one is not to be taken seriously (though I'm not excusing it) but there is a world of difference between him and the sort of comments I have seen over the years at FFI from *some* members there. (and I agree it is a minority - but they were always tolerated - even defended - not sure if FFI has cleaned up these days)

    (btw I have known FFI a long time - I first visited it back in early 2002 - so believe me I have seen some utterly indefensible things said there that it is simply laughable to compare to any of Q-mans rants.)

     
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #248 - February 20, 2010, 11:24 AM
    Quote from: BlackDog on February 20, 2010, 09:24 AM
    Even terrorism?


    LOL. Are the Jihadis not enough for that?
    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #249 - February 20, 2010, 11:30 AM
    Quote from: BerberElla on February 20, 2010, 10:42 AM
    Of course it's not, FFI is an innocent heavenly slice of teh interwebz where bunnies really are furry and fluffy and light.  No insults are tolerated there, ever.  Roll Eyes


    Oh, come on!

    I can't even accuse you of misinterpreting/misunderstanding my post. Still I would point it out that my post was intended to show that COEM is not as innocent and perfect, and that FFI is not demonic, as the members here tend to think.

    And yes, insults to mothers and sisters are not tolerated there.
    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #250 - February 20, 2010, 11:44 AM
    Quote from: Hassan on February 20, 2010, 11:18 AM

    Yes I agree Q-Man can be very rude and insulting and says some pretty crazy things sometimes, but I'm quite sure he wouldn't advocate nuking, mass murder, forced re-education camps, expelling an entire community because of their religion etc...


    The few people making such comments are not saying anything the Quran/Muhammad has not said about them. Such comments are directed towards Quran/Muhammad worshiping Muslims, remember. Why should YOU take offense at such comments?

    As a non Muslim I feel I would be fully justified to offer to treat Muslims exactly in the way their religion teaches them to treat me; that would be one way of holding the mirror to them. Want to call me a bigot?

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    A great deal of what Q-Man says when he goes off on one is not to be taken seriously (though I'm not excusing it) but there is a world of difference between him and the sort of comments I have seen over the years at FFI from *some* members there. (and I agree it is a minority - but they were always tolerated - even defended - not sure if FFI has cleaned up these days)


    You are getting absurd now. A group of people who think that the suicide bombers are doing great work, and following their religion to the T, by killing the infidels deserve such comments as they are only the threats of retaliation. QMan's filth was totally unprovoked and indefensible. But obviously it is only I who thinks that.

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    (btw I have known FFI a long time - I first visited it back in early 2002 - so believe me I have seen some utterly indefensible things said there that it is simply laughable to compare to any of Q-mans rants.)


    Depends on the differing perspectives, doesn't it?


    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #251 - February 20, 2010, 11:48 AM
    Quote from: Hassan on February 20, 2010, 11:18 AM
    Sorry but I'm not inclined to answer anything Ansar asks me - however since you asked me...

    Yes I agree Q-Man can be very rude and insulting and says some pretty crazy things sometimes, but I'm quite sure he wouldn't advocate nuking, mass murder, forced re-education camps, expelling an entire community because of their religion etc...

    A great deal of what Q-Man says when he goes off on one is not to be taken seriously (though I'm not excusing it) but there is a world of difference between him and the sort of comments I have seen over the years at FFI from *some* members there. (and I agree it is a minority - but they were always tolerated - even defended - not sure if FFI has cleaned up these days)

    (btw I have known FFI a long time - I first visited it back in early 2002 - so believe me I have seen some utterly indefensible things said there that it is simply laughable to compare to any of Q-mans rants.)

     



    First of all  I never compared comments made by Qman and FFI members. All I asked you was just as you criticize FFI members Ansar too has the same right.We dont avoid questions that you ask but you seemed to avoid questions that we ask and hence I asked you about your stance on Qman but  you have answered it now but  
     you never really touched what Ansar said.Ansar is asking you 2 questions :

    1) Are you proud to have members like Qman?

    2) Are you going to take action against him for his behaviour?


    I see no answer to these queries.Also one more thing its a Tu quoque in a sense to say that Qman 's comments are not nasty as  some members at FFI because that doesnt acquit Qman.I also know that you did accept that he goes off the track and that there is no excuse for it  but in the end you really tried to defend him by showing me what FFI members say in comparison to Qman's comments . There was no need for this.
     
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #252 - February 20, 2010, 11:54 AM
    @Hassan


    I would also like to know in what context were those comments made by FFI members whom you accuse of spreading hate.I need to know whether hate which they poured was justified or not. Sometimes the hate seems justified but I know members at CEMB would tell me that muslims are completely faultless.

    ******************************EDIT******************************

    Also whether forced or not muslims need education about their religion. This is a naked truth that you cannot deny.I dont see how that person is wrong in saying that they need education.The objectionable part would be using the term "Forced " but if we are not doing that then it  makes me wonder whether muslims would be ready to educate themselves on their own.Its practically impossible as they are convinced about the truth about their religion.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #253 - February 20, 2010, 12:01 PM
    Ansar al-Zindiqi, I agree with your views on Q-Man.
    Left the forum: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=22997
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #254 - February 20, 2010, 12:10 PM
    Do you know who Cassie is? She used to be the user Cassandra, she wants us to believe she has a M.A fuck not with a lack of logic like that. 

    For the Lulz:

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    I was so pleased by the response to my last post that I decided to write another one. Don't worry; I have plenty of new stuff to say about Cassandra and her cheerleaders. Let me get to the crux of the matter: Cassandra has spent untold hours trying to write off whole sections of society. During that time, did it ever once occur to her that when one looks at this subversive parade of snooty dorks, one instantly thinks of the word "pseudointernationalistic"? . Good old Cassandra. She just loves to open her mouth and let all kinds of things come out without listening to how biased they sound. Cassandra's ploys share a number of characteristics. They sow the seeds of discord.

    Cassandra has certainly never given evidence of thinking extensively. Or at all, for that matter. I have reason to believe that she is about to spread classism all over the globe like pigeon droppings over Trafalgar Square. I pray that I'm wrong, of course, because the outcome could be devastating. Let's just ignore Cassandra and see what she does. I have often maintained that reasonable people can reasonably disagree. Unfortunately, when dealing with Cassandra and her gofers, that claim assumes facts not in evidence. So let me claim instead that Cassandra certainly believes that it is her moral imperative to limit the terms of debate by declaring certain subjects beyond discussion. Listen carefully: Only through education can individuals gain the independent tools they need to raise several issues about Cassandra's unenlightened theories that are frequently missing from the drivel that masquerades for discourse on this topic. But the first step is to acknowledge that there is no such thing as evil in the abstract. It exists only in the evil deeds of evil people like Cassandra.

    How is it that I knew from the beginning that Cassandra would crush any semblance of opposition to her ultra-patronizing diatribes? Am I smarter than everyone else? No, not at all. I'll admit that I'm smarter than Cassandra but that's like saying that I'm smarter than a toad. I knew what Cassandra would do because I realized that my current plan is to eschew dirty, unpleasant oligarchism. Yes, Cassandra will draw upon the most powerful fires of Hell to tear that plan asunder, but she complains a lot.

    To deny this is to deny science, let alone the evidence of one's own powers of observation. That's just a fancy way of saying that whenever Cassandra announces that no one is smart enough to see through her transparent lies, her worshippers applaud on cue and the accolades are long and ostentatious.

    My original goal for this post was to scrutinize Cassandra's remarks point by nutty point. Unfortunately, Cassandra's focus wanders so wildly that she never actually finishes any of her points. I think you will notice this in the ensuing discussion.


    http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=919331&sid=1543f83f553ee76c872415903d041b20
    Left the forum: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=22997
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #255 - February 20, 2010, 12:15 PM
    @King Tut

    Whats your point exactly regarding Cassandra? That post was made by Sona2 who  I suppose is a muslim.Whats the big deal in that ?
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #256 - February 20, 2010, 12:17 PM
    I had a look at the linked page, and it was too obvious that sona2 was indulging in personal attack. Did he/she try to refute Cassandra point by point later on? I will have a look at rest of the thread as I have to leave now, but I am not holding my breath.
    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #257 - February 20, 2010, 12:19 PM
    It was funny. That is why I posted it. And also to point out Cassie/Casandra is a tool of FFI. Just Llike MSwesterner and piscohot.
    Left the forum: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=22997
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #258 - February 20, 2010, 12:22 PM
    Quote from: charlesmartel on February 20, 2010, 12:17 PM
    Did he/she try to refute Cassandra point by point later on?


    Sona2
    Quote
    My original goal for this post was to scrutinize Cassandra's remarks point by nutty point. Unfortunately, Cassandra's focus wanders so wildly that she never actually finishes any of her points. I think you will notice this in the ensuing discussion.

    Left the forum: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=22997
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #259 - February 20, 2010, 12:41 PM
    Quote from: King Tut on February 20, 2010, 12:19 PM
    It was funny. That is why I posted it. And also to point out Cassie/Casandra is a tool of FFI. Just Llike MSwesterner and piscohot.


    Mswesterner is seen no longer on FFI . The other posters that you mentioned make sensible posts.Infact I like  Piscohot's posts. I havent read the thread that you directed me to but in case if Cassandra used a flawed logic then there is nothing to laugh at.

    Every one of us makes mistakes so not a big deal.Well if you want to show stupidity then better look on this forum too. There are plenty of examples on this forum too. Also what would say about stupidity of  muslims when it comes to debating islam ? Its amazing and matchless compared to kafirs  but I guess I would be called a bigot for that. ITs ok  to accuse kafirs but its absolutely not ok if anyone raises a point on muslims. Right?
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #260 - February 20, 2010, 12:48 PM
    So how did you go from justifying that stupidity is innate to all humans, i.e. no one is exempt from being stupid at times, and then jump to accusing Muslims to be MORE stupid then non-Muslims, you've just generalized there. Now you will give some antidote to justify this statement. You guys can't even frame a consistent argument without blaming the Muslims for something, you remind me of the Muslim fanatics who always find a way to blame the Jews.

    Left the forum: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=22997
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #261 - February 20, 2010, 02:16 PM
    @SkyN:

    1. Am I proud to have Q-Man here? I can only judge him by what he writes and proud is not the word I would use to describe everything Q-Man writes.  There are times I could say I'm proud of what he says and others not!  I have no problem with him being here if that's what you mean. (That of course does not mean I condone everything he says.)

    2. What am I going to do about some of the things he says? That's not my job - that's the job of the mods and admin here. If he breaks the rules here they will act accordingly.

    I have no doubt that Ansari's deep hatred towards Q-Man has a great deal to do with politics and in particular Ansaris hatred towards the left. Ansari clearly sympathises with Neocons and the Conservative Right in the US (I realise he is from Canada) while Q-Man clearly sympathises with the left. Ansari is not just on the right - but is typical of that delusional, paranoid taqiyya jihadchat mentality that sees plots everywhere he looks. If Q-Man was on the right and was ranting at a Muslim, Ansari wouldn't have such a problem with him.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #262 - February 20, 2010, 03:11 PM
    Quote from: skynightblaze on February 20, 2010, 11:48 AM
    Are you going to take action against Q-man for his behaviour?

    Rest assured that he is going to be severely punished!

  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #263 - February 20, 2010, 03:39 PM
    Quote from: skynightblaze on February 20, 2010, 11:48 AM
    Also one more thing its a Tu quoque in a sense to say that Qman 's comments are not nasty as  some members at FFI because that doesnt acquit Qman.


    btw it was Ansar who was using Tu quoque. I was originally discussing the hateful comments on FFI and it was Ansar who brought up Q-Man - saying he is just as bad.

    I'm simply pointing out that he is definitely not as bad.




  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #264 - February 20, 2010, 03:46 PM

    Q-Man is great  Afro

    Even though I don't agree with him all the time, he's great.

    So stop whining about individuals and squealing with personal vendettas, and contribute to the life of the forum, or don't bother at all.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #265 - February 20, 2010, 03:47 PM
    Quote from: billy on February 20, 2010, 03:46 PM
    Q-Man is great  Afro

    Even though I don't agree with him all the time, he's great.

    So stop whining about individuals and squealing with personal vendettas, and contribute to the life of the forum, or don't bother at all.


    +1
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #266 - February 20, 2010, 05:12 PM
    Quote from: charlesmartel on February 20, 2010, 11:44 AM
    QMan's filth was totally unprovoked and indefensible.


    I wasn't gonna comment on this thread until I saw this little piece of revisionist history. It certainly was provoked. I did not start the personal attacks. This is the post I was responding to when I made the nasty comment about his mom:

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=8503.msg212127#msg212127

    Here are the relevant excerpts:

    Quote
    Quote from: CRAP MAN


    Quote
    I have a suggestion. Please change your name to CRAP Man . It suits you aptly. It seems that you love losing from a FFIER . I am an FFIER and  I shall help . So here we go ?


    Quote
    Now lets see how abundantly stupid and a hypocrite you are


    Look, I don't act any differently here than I do in real life. You come at me, I'm gonna come back at you even harder. I'm a pretty big fan of disproportionate response, because it lets people know it's unwise to fuck with me. It's not as effective on the internet because the pussies hiding behind their computers tend to be much bolder than most people are in real life. But old habits die hard, and if you insult me here, I'll insult you worse. And I will not apologize for it. If the staff have to discipline me as a result, then so be it. I've been gettin disciplined for shit like that since getting paddled in grade school. I'm used to it at this point.

    Don't want me insulting you, it's pretty easy, be polite. Have there ever been times where I felt like I went over the line with my response to someone, or even times when perhaps I did make an "unprovoked" insult? Yeah I'm sure there have been, and those times I would apologize for. But for the most part if you don't fuck with me, I won't fuck with you, and if you're nice to me, I'm nice back. This also goes for those people I like here. Fuck with them, I'll fuck with you. If SNB hadn't made those personal attacks against me, you can be guaranteed I wouldn't have made the nasty comments about his mom.

    Like I said, I wasn't gonna comment, except I felt I had to correct your statement, so I'll take my leave now, but I thank those here who have rallied to my defense. It is appreciated.
    fuck you
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #267 - February 20, 2010, 05:19 PM
    Q-Man is this a new low? Trying to act "hard" over the internet?  Cheesy
    Left the forum: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=22997
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #268 - February 20, 2010, 05:24 PM
    I wuv you, Tut

     far away hug


    I subscribe to this magazine:

    fuck you
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #269 - February 20, 2010, 05:30 PM
    No Q Man that post was pathetic. Even though it was directed at someone even more pathetic. You just want to bully them into being quite, which does not sit will with my principles.
    Left the forum: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=22997
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