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 Poll

  • Question: Which religion do you belong to?
  • Islam - 2 (5.1%)
  • Christianity - 0 (0%)
  • Buddhism - 0 (0%)
  • Judaism - 0 (0%)
  • Atheism (no religion) - 17 (43.6%)
  • Ex Muslim (no religion) - 6 (15.4%)
  • Sikhism - 0 (0%)
  • Jainism - 0 (0%)
  • Zoroastrianism - 0 (0%)
  • Hinduism - 1 (2.6%)
  • Pantheism - 4 (10.3%)
  • Agnosticism - 8 (20.5%)
  • Deism - 0 (0%)
  • Falun Gong - 1 (2.6%)
  • Bahaism - 0 (0%)
  • Total Voters: 39

 Topic: Religious affiliation of COEM members

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  • Religious affiliation of COEM members
     OP - February 19, 2010, 05:27 PM
    Please take part in the poll, and choose the best option which might describe you the best. I do understand however that choosing a single option might be difficult for a few people, as it is with me.

    I will go with Pantheism.
    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: Religious affiliation of COEM members
     Reply #1 - February 19, 2010, 05:31 PM
    Atheist

    Why is Ex-Muslim its own category?  Huh? The poll is about the current religious affiliation of members, no?
    fuck you
  • Re: Religious affiliation of COEM members
     Reply #2 - February 19, 2010, 05:33 PM
    Atheist
  • Re: Religious affiliation of COEM members
     Reply #3 - February 19, 2010, 05:34 PM
    The Ex-Muslim option seems a bit unnecessary - anyway I voted Agnostic, though I actually swing a little between Deist, Agnostic, Pantheism and Atheist.

    My basic position is Agnostic = "I don't Know" - but I definitely reject all religions.
  • Re: Religious affiliation of COEM members
     Reply #4 - February 19, 2010, 05:42 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on February 19, 2010, 05:31 PM
    Atheist

    Why is Ex-Muslim its own category?  Huh? The poll is about the current religious affiliation of members, no?


    It is its own category because all the ex Muslims would not be atheists by default. They might be agnostics, or might not have made up their minds beyond rejecting Islam. They might be theists too.

    Any way, that is why I sounded a bit apologetic in my OP. It is a bit difficult for many of us to categorize ourselves properly; it is, for me.
    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: Religious affiliation of COEM members
     Reply #5 - February 19, 2010, 06:03 PM
    Quote from: charlesmartel on February 19, 2010, 05:42 PM
    It is its own category because all the ex Muslims would not be atheists by default. They might be agnostics, or might not have made up their minds beyond rejecting Islam. They might be theists too.


    Obviously-- but this isn't a poll about what people's former religious affiliation is, it's what their religious affiliation is now. So it makes no sense to have a separate "ex-Muslim" category, as the ex-Muslims could fit into one of the other categories you have already listed.

    If you want to see who's an ex-Muslim, go to the "Are you an ex-Muslim?" thread pinned in the "Ex-Muslims Blogs and Bios" subforum.
    fuck you
  • Re: Religious affiliation of COEM members
     Reply #6 - February 19, 2010, 06:15 PM
    I voted Islam.

    PS. As for those who don't like the ex-Muslim option, just ignore it and vote your current beliefs or lack thereof.
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Religious affiliation of COEM members
     Reply #7 - February 19, 2010, 06:19 PM
    @ Charles

    Based on this list of religions compiled by non other than yourself, and based on a previous conversation between us, you're either ex-Christian, ex-Jew or ex-Zoroastrian, since only these 3 religions out of the list above, other than Islam, believe in Satan  Wink
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Religious affiliation of COEM members
     Reply #8 - February 19, 2010, 06:37 PM
    Quote from: debunker on February 19, 2010, 06:15 PM
    PS. As for those who don't like the ex-Muslim option, just ignore it and vote your current beliefs or lack thereof.


    You're missing the point-- including that option makes the poll fundamentally methodologically unsound. You will have an inaccurate measure as some ex-Muslims will choose the ex-Muslim option even though they could be classified in one of the other categories, and you will have ex-Muslims who will not choose the ex-Muslim option, but one the categories other than Islam. So you will not have an accurate measure of either who is ex-Muslim or who is in the other non-Islam categories.

    It's like making a poll that asks you if you are "Japanese", "Chinese", "Mexican", "French" or "Not Chinese". It fucks the whole thing up. He should have done one poll for what people's current religious affiliation is, then done another poll that was ex-Muslim vs. never been Muslim vs. Muslim.

    fuck you
  • Re: Religious affiliation of COEM members
     Reply #9 - February 19, 2010, 06:42 PM
    This is from our list of Ex-Muslims:
    N/A                 71
    Atheist             63
    Agnostic            17
    Deist               5
    Humanist            3
    Christian           2
    Spiritual Agnostic  2
    Panentheist         2
    Pantheist           2
    Anti-Labelist       1
    Skeptic             1
    Apatheist           1
    Ignostic            1

    Edit1: Updated the list.
    German ex-Muslim forum — My YouTube — List of Ex-Muslims —
    Wikis: en – de – fr – ar – tr
    CEMB-Chat
    I'm on an indefinite break...
  • Re: Religious affiliation of COEM members
     Reply #10 - February 19, 2010, 06:57 PM
    btw aziz - just saw the german ex-muslim forum in ur sig - is it as active as this one? It was the germans that started this whole CoEM after all!
  • Re: Religious affiliation of COEM members
     Reply #11 - February 19, 2010, 07:00 PM
    A  Afro
    Nothing can be more contrary to religion and the clergy than reason and common sense. - Voltaire
  • Re: Religious affiliation of COEM members
     Reply #12 - February 19, 2010, 07:10 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on February 19, 2010, 06:57 PM
    btw aziz - just saw the german ex-muslim forum in ur sig - is it as active as this one? It was the germans that started this whole CoEM after all!

    No, nobody's posting there. Only once somebody joined the forum – a Roman Catholic – and he replied to a few threads I created there. We argued a bit about the silly story of the bears tearing apart 42 children in the Bible, but I wasn't motivated enough to continue debating. It's basically a ghost forum now. Smiley
    German ex-Muslim forum — My YouTube — List of Ex-Muslims —
    Wikis: en – de – fr – ar – tr
    CEMB-Chat
    I'm on an indefinite break...
  • Re: Religious affiliation of COEM members
     Reply #13 - February 19, 2010, 07:14 PM
    Quote from: Aziz on February 19, 2010, 07:10 PM
    No, nobody's posting there. Only once somebody joined the forum – a Roman Catholic – and he replied to a few threads I created there. We argued a bit about the silly story of the bears tearing apart 42 children in the Bible, but I wasn't motivated enough to continue debating. It's basically a ghost forum now. Smiley


    Thats strange! I mean it was Mina Ahadi (a German Iranian) that started all this. I had a chat with Maryam about this and she said she basically followed her lead (she was a friend of hers). Yet it seems that in the UK it has struck a chord - while, oddly the Germans haven't come out as ex-Muslims in the same numbers. Why do you think that is?
  • Re: Religious affiliation of COEM members
     Reply #14 - February 19, 2010, 07:21 PM
    Actually I know the answer - We Brits are better than Germans - we beat you in 1945 and we beat you in 1966 - you don't have a good sense of humour and you don't have as much courage & character as us to leave Islam  Afro

    (Just joking Wink )
  • Re: Religious affiliation of COEM members
     Reply #15 - February 19, 2010, 07:57 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on February 19, 2010, 07:14 PM
    Thats strange! I mean it was Mina Ahadi (a German Iranian) that started all this. I had a chat with Maryam about this and she said she basically followed her lead (she was a friend of hers). Yet it seems that in the UK it has struck a chord - while, oddly the Germans haven't come out as ex-Muslims in the same numbers. Why do you think that is?

    Because people in this forum come from all over the world, including Germany, so posting in an inactive forum rather than an active one, seems pointless.
    "In every time and culture there are pressures to conform to the prevailing prejudices. But there are also, in every place and epoch, those who value the truth; who record the evidence faithfully. Future generations are in their debt." -Carl Sagan

  • Re: Religious affiliation of COEM members
     Reply #16 - February 19, 2010, 08:00 PM
    Why is Mormonism not there? I want to vote Magic Underwear.

    j/k agnostic here.
  • Re: Religious affiliation of COEM members
     Reply #17 - February 19, 2010, 08:06 PM
    Quote from: Infidel on February 19, 2010, 07:57 PM
    Because people in this forum come from all over the world, including Germany, so posting in an inactive forum rather than an active one, seems pointless.


    No, it's because they're too busy watching fetish porn, drinking beer, eating sausages, worshiping Adolf Hitler, listening to Kraftwerk and Rammstein, and picking out the right leather coat to match their black turtleneck and wire-rimmed glasses, and saying stuff like "Ja! Ja! Alles dein basis sind gerhoren uns!" to post there.
    fuck you
  • Re: Religious affiliation of COEM members
     Reply #18 - February 19, 2010, 08:09 PM
    I am exmuslim and agnostic, and didnt know which option to choose.  Went with agnostic, because the coin said tails  Huh?

    You might want to start another poll to fix this problem..
    My Book     news002       
    My Blog  pccoffee
  • Re: Religious affiliation of COEM members
     Reply #19 - February 19, 2010, 08:09 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on February 19, 2010, 08:06 PM
    "Ja! Ja! Alles dein basis sind gerhoren uns!"

     Cheesy Classic!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qItugh-fFgg
  • Re: Religious affiliation of COEM members
     Reply #20 - February 19, 2010, 08:11 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on February 19, 2010, 07:14 PM
    Thats strange! I mean it was Mina Ahadi (a German Iranian) that started all this. I had a chat with Maryam about this and she said she basically followed her lead (she was a friend of hers). Yet it seems that in the UK it has struck a chord - while, oddly the Germans haven't come out as ex-Muslims in the same numbers. Why do you think that is?

    Well, I think without the great exodus from FFI we wouldn't have this wonderful and active forum now, or at least it would've taken much longer to get where we are now. We had the advantage of starting off with at least 10 people I guess. The ex-Muslim scene on the Internet seems to be doing pretty well, but can we say the same about ex-Muslims groups in real life? I have no clue how many Muslims declared their apostasy publicly in Germany and how Mina Ahadi is doing with her organization right now (in terms of active membership). Might be strange, but I'm mostly active on English web sites.

    I tried to make my German-language forum the official one, you know, with a sub-domain address (forum.ex-muslime.de) from the German COEM web site. I contacted Mina Ahadi and she said she's okay with it and assured me that their administrator will take care of it. A few months have passed and still nothing has happened. Sure, I can't complain, because I could have asked again, but I guess I let it slide into the back of my mind. I was also busy with other stuff, like creating translations, subtitles, our wiki system etc.

    Translating your book is an important task to me. It's worthwile, as you're probably the guy with the highest fitnah level in our movement. Cheesy
    German ex-Muslim forum — My YouTube — List of Ex-Muslims —
    Wikis: en – de – fr – ar – tr
    CEMB-Chat
    I'm on an indefinite break...
  • Re: Religious affiliation of COEM members
     Reply #21 - February 19, 2010, 08:14 PM
    hahaha thanks Kenan I need that pick-me up
  • Re: Religious affiliation of COEM members
     Reply #22 - February 19, 2010, 08:19 PM
    Quote from: Aziz on February 19, 2010, 08:11 PM
    Translating your book is an important task to me. It's worthwile, as you're probably the guy with the highest fitnah level in our movement. Cheesy


     Cheesy  Afro
  • Re: Religious affiliation of COEM members
     Reply #23 - February 19, 2010, 10:18 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog on February 19, 2010, 08:00 PM
    Why is Mormonism not there? I want to vote Magic Underwear.


     Cheesy

    I'm agnostic but if Spiritualism was on that list then I probably would have chosen that instead.
    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • Re: Religious affiliation of COEM members
     Reply #24 - February 20, 2010, 01:38 AM
    Quote from: Q-Man on February 19, 2010, 06:03 PM
    Obviously-- but this isn't a poll about what people's former religious affiliation is, it's what their religious affiliation is now. So it makes no sense to have a separate "ex-Muslim" category, as the ex-Muslims could fit into one of the other categories you have already listed.

    If you want to see who's an ex-Muslim, go to the "Are you an ex-Muslim?" thread pinned in the "Ex-Muslims Blogs and Bios" subforum.


    Right, I get the point. So shall I remove those ex-options, now? But three members have already chosen that option. Will they vote again?
    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: Religious affiliation of COEM members
     Reply #25 - February 20, 2010, 01:43 AM
    I Voted Atheist  Afro
  • Re: Religious affiliation of COEM members
     Reply #26 - February 20, 2010, 03:05 AM
    I will go for the pantheist option
    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Religious affiliation of COEM members
     Reply #27 - February 20, 2010, 03:18 AM
    I'm confused at the ex-muslim option. An ex-muslim can be a Christian or Atheist or Buddhist or Jew or whatever. I'm atheist and ex-muslim.. but I picked ex-muslim.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Religious affiliation of COEM members
     Reply #28 - February 20, 2010, 03:20 AM
    Quote from: z10 on February 20, 2010, 03:05 AM
    I will go for the pantheist option


    You do realize that Avatar was just a movie right?
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Religious affiliation of COEM members
     Reply #29 - February 20, 2010, 03:21 AM
    haha, iblis, i assure you I had pantheist tendencies before I saw that piece of drivel Wink
    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
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