I clearly made the point that it is not Islam or the Quran from where humans get their morals from (the Quran just serves to reinforce our inner feelings).
Right. Apologies. It is true that most people are spontaneously moral - evolutionary trait imo. Therefore the majority needs to be anesthetised against this elementary sensitivity to the suffering of others. For this a sacred cause is needed - religion or quasi religion.
But have you been reading my posts? I clearly stated that morals ordained via a revelation are in fact intrinsically immoral. Therefore saying that fundamental moral principles can be obtained from Quran is a fallacy.
I clearly said in a subsequent post that I beleive that every human has a soul and that the morality we posess comes from that soul - that's what stops us from raping, mugging and abusing, and on the contrary makes us want for others what we want for ourselves.
I don't have a soul - or better what you call a soul is merely an illusion.
But belief in itself is a problem. In the absence of any ethnical standards external to your belief in and love for God there is always a danger that this love of God will be used as a legitimisation of the most horrible deeds.
The point I was trying to make is that I do not feel that evolution can explain the range of philosophical thinking, morality, emotion and intelligence that humans obviously posess. The group survival argument can explain some things but I find it very inadequate in explaining the beautiful morals and emotions humans are capable of.
Again, your feelings or beliefs are irrelevant. The only thing that matters are facts.
Is any act that supports the suvival of the fittest and the propagation of our genes a good act? You would think so because those are the guiding priciples of evolution.
Actually you are wrong. It is precisely because we are a product of evolution that we have to and have developed morals. Altruistic behaviour is in fact beneficial to the survival of the group but once rational though kicks in philosophy can take over.
What I was trying to get at is that humans are obviously more, much more.
And this is precisely what atheism is all about. Atheism offers a fundamental lesson in dignity and courage. It is marked by the awareness of the bitter outcome of every human life, since there is no higher authority watching over our fates and guaranteeing a happy outcome.
Let me pose another question. Humans are almost genetically identical to apes. Do you think that the minute genetic difference can account for the vastly superior range of philosophical thinking, morality, emotion and intelligence that humans posess?
I don’t see why not. You do realize that we are genetically quite similar to cabbage? Where exactly do you draw the line? But I am also not pretending to be in possession of definitive answers. I am not an expert on the matter hence if you want to educate yourself get a good quality book on this issue - there are plenty.
I was an Atheist once so I have taken the third pill and many other pills. I didn't like them so I threw them back up.
And that is exactly your problem. Your emotional attachment to a certain belief is clouding your reasoning capabilities.
What I was suggesting is that you remove the veil of the reality of the fantasy you have constructed and look into the imaginary reality.
But again I get this feeling that we are runnig in circles here.
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