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  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #390 - March 18, 2010, 03:20 PM
    Oh c'mon. Don't be so heartless!

    "Love Your Neighbor as Yourself" an all that jazz.
  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #391 - March 18, 2010, 03:26 PM
    Quote from: abuyunus2 on March 18, 2010, 03:13 PM
    Who says that any of these horrendus things will be forgiven? The verse says God will forgive what He pleases - this does not mean all sins.


    It says he will forgive anything else what he pleases.  This means that everything else CAN be forgiven, but shirk CANNOT.

    And I'd still like to know what you think of those Quran verses I pasted where God forgives Shirk?
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #392 - March 18, 2010, 03:29 PM
    Quote from: abuyunus2 on March 18, 2010, 03:13 PM
    Who says that any of these horrendus things will be forgiven? The verse says God will forgive what He pleases - this does not mean all sins.


    wow, sophistry and wriggling as to what Allah meant when he graded sins and said that the worst of all sins is lapsing of worship for him.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #393 - March 18, 2010, 03:32 PM
    Quote from: abuyunus2 on March 18, 2010, 03:15 PM
    You're one tough braveheart you are billy. In fact from now on I'm going to spend as much time on this forum as you do  


    You're here everyday abuyunus, don't plead along those lines.

    Now, don't you think its cowardly to shill for an entity that is as perverted in its grading of morality as Allah?

    Do you think the murder of a new born baby is less of a sin than somebody who doesn't worship Allah as Allah wants to be worshipped?



    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #394 - March 18, 2010, 03:32 PM
    Why does any of this matter anyways? All of you non-mormons are going to hell anyways!
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #395 - March 18, 2010, 03:34 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on March 18, 2010, 03:32 PM
    Why does any of this matter anyways? All of you non-mormons are going to hell anyways!


    A man dies and goes to heaven.  St Peter is showing him around, he is so pleased to see that the Muslims are socialising with Jews and Christians, and even the polytheists are there too.  Soon he comes across a brick wall.

    "What's this?" he asks.
    "Shhh," replies St Peter, "The Jehova's witnesses will hear you, they think they are the only ones here!"
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #396 - March 18, 2010, 03:59 PM
    Quote from: billy on March 18, 2010, 03:32 PM
    You're here everyday abuyunus, don't plead along those lines.


    Billy the internet hardman. lol
    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #397 - March 18, 2010, 04:02 PM
    Quote from: abuyunus2 on March 18, 2010, 03:59 PM
    Billy the internet hardman. lol



    Abuy - are you ignoring my request for an interpretation of those Quran verses where it says Allah forgave Shirk?
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #398 - March 18, 2010, 04:06 PM
    Quote from: abuyunus2 on March 18, 2010, 03:03 PM
    You're assuming polytheism is a sin because God is stupid, petty, insecure, jealous, envious and immoral. But perhaps polytheism is the extreme sin for another reason - perhaps a reason we do not understand fully.

    I don't expect anyone to find this a satisfactory answer.

    Thanks for not insulting my intelligent.

    "Its ok to incinerate people who dont believe.  Trust me, its for a very good reason, but I dont know it yet"

    A more satisfactory answer is that this religious meme would not have spread like it did if it was ok to believe other faiths, but I guess you are forbidden from saying it like it is.  
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  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #399 - March 18, 2010, 04:07 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on March 18, 2010, 04:06 PM
    A more satisfactory answer is that this religious meme would not have spread like it did if it was ok to believe other faiths, but I guess you are forbidden from saying it like it is.  


    ROFL

    Do you really think any genuine musulman would admit his cherished deen is actually a man-made mental virus most efficiently designed for the sole purpose of self-replication and propagation? Grin

    But yeah, simplest answer... AbuYunus knows its true.. but you know. Gotta keep up appearances!
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #400 - March 18, 2010, 04:10 PM
    Quote from: billy on March 18, 2010, 03:32 PM
    Now, don't you think its cowardly to shill for an entity that is as perverted in its grading of morality as Allah?

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  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #401 - March 18, 2010, 04:11 PM
    Quote from: billy on March 18, 2010, 03:06 PM
    What a cop out response - a cowardly response.


    I think you are being too harsh on Abu Y, Billy. I don't think he is cowardly for one moment. It takes a lot of courage to come here and discuss things with us - and I don't mean because we are great or anything - but because it means facing some very uncomfortable questions and self-analysis. He is clearly struggling with those questions - and that takes a lot of courage when your world-view, comfort zone and very identity are at stake.
  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #402 - March 18, 2010, 04:12 PM
    Quote from: abuyunus2 on March 18, 2010, 03:59 PM
    Billy the internet hardman. lol


    I don't have a clue what you're talking about Abu. Is it because of the strength of my description? Why do you bring valour and machismo and masculinity into it?

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #403 - March 18, 2010, 04:13 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on March 18, 2010, 04:11 PM
    I think you are being too harsh on Abu Y, Billy. I don't think he is cowardly for one moment. It takes a lot of courage to come here and discuss things with us - and I don't mean because we are great or anything - but because it means facing some very uncomfortable questions and self-analysis. He is clearly struggling with those questions - and that takes a lot of courage when your world-view, comfort zone and very identity are at stake.


    OK, I apologise for describing his response as cowardly.

    But I don't apologise for describing his response as a cop-out.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #404 - March 18, 2010, 04:13 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on March 18, 2010, 04:11 PM
    I think you are being too harsh on Abu Y, Billy. I don't think he is cowardly for one moment. It takes a lot of courage to come here and discuss things with us - and I don't mean because we are great or anything - but because it means facing some very uncomfortable questions and self-analysis. He is clearly struggling with those questions - and that takes a lot of courage when your world-view, comfort zone and very identity are at stake.


    I agree to an extent.  If he is genuinely open minded then that is very brave. But the answer DID avoid the question.
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #405 - March 18, 2010, 04:16 PM
    Quote from: billy on March 18, 2010, 04:12 PM
    I don't have a clue what you're talking about Abu. Is it because of the strength of my description? Why do you bring valour and machismo and masculinity into it?


    what exactly was I 'pleading' about? I just found it a bit odd you said that.
    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #406 - March 18, 2010, 04:17 PM

    AbuYunus

    A thousand apologies for using the word 'cowardly' to describe your response.

    I think you are in denial, but not a coward.

    I'm sorry.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #407 - March 18, 2010, 04:18 PM
    Quote from: abuyunus2 on March 18, 2010, 04:16 PM
    what exactly was I 'pleading' about? I just found it a bit odd you said that.


    The whole internet-hardman-spend-as-much-time-as-you-on-the-forum blah blah response - its a variation of a conversation I've had many times with Muslims and to be fair, followers of other religions, when they don't want to answer a particular question.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #408 - March 18, 2010, 04:21 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on March 18, 2010, 04:11 PM
    I think you are being too harsh on Abu Y, Billy. I don't think he is cowardly for one moment. It takes a lot of courage to come here and discuss things with us - and I don't mean because we are great or anything - but because it means facing some very uncomfortable questions and self-analysis. He is clearly struggling with those questions - and that takes a lot of courage when your world-view, comfort zone and very identity are at stake.


    I agree with Hassan here. He is on a forum where the vast majority of participants are non-believers. We have been through the same thing at one time and looked through the eyes of iman.
  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #409 - March 18, 2010, 04:23 PM
    Quote from: billy on March 18, 2010, 04:17 PM
    AbuYunus

    A thousand apologies for using the word 'cowardly' to describe your response.

    I think you are in denial, but not a coward.

    I'm sorry.


    No worries. I do not have all the answers and have to rely on my faith, it therefore perhaps is not surprising that I would struggle with my answers. If anyone feels my faith makes me cowardly then so be it, but of course I don't see it that way.
    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #410 - March 18, 2010, 04:26 PM
    Quote from: billy on March 18, 2010, 04:18 PM
    The whole internet-hardman-spend-as-much-time-as-you-on-the-forum blah blah response - its a variation of a conversation I've had many times with Muslims and to be fair, followers of other religions, when they don't want to answer a particular question.


    Perhaps I was being a bit silly. It's not that I don't want to answer your question, I wish I did have the answer, but like I said I don't have one that anyone else on here would find satisfactory.
    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #411 - March 18, 2010, 04:28 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on March 18, 2010, 03:09 PM
    Its usually the last argument left for the believer, after going the full rounds with an atheist.  Its quite fickle actually.


    It depends on who you speak to. For some it isn't a last resort, rather it is that initial first step. The Soren Kierkegaard leap.

    Quote
    I have faith means nothing and is not a reliable means of knowing that you have found the truth.  Christian, Jews, Hindus, Zorastrians, Mbombu God worshippers all have 'faith', but they cant all be right as they are exclusive & contradictory.


    That's because faith can't be framed in objective terms. It is subjective and according to the believer, it's about their relationship and closeness to God.
  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #412 - March 18, 2010, 04:28 PM
    Quote from: abuyunus2 on March 18, 2010, 04:23 PM
    No worries. I do not have all the answers and have to rely on my faith, it therefore perhaps is not surprising that I would struggle with my answers. If anyone feels my faith makes me cowardly then so be it, but of course I don't see it that way.


    I don't think it makes you brave or cowardly, just wrong Smiley

    A theist once said to an atheist "You won't change your mind and I won't change mine, so let's agree to disagree"
    The atheist replied "You have that half right. You might not change your mind despite the evidence, but I on the other hand would change my mind if presented with evidence whether I liked what the evidence implied or not".

    I am curious, what evidence would it take for you to change your mind and believe that Muhammad had nothing to do with God?
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #413 - March 18, 2010, 04:30 PM

    AbuYnus - would you agree that if there is no higher justification (the one that is out of your grasp and out of your reach) it would appear that Allah has inverted values when it comes to shirk being the most immutable and unforgiveable sin?

    Lets leave it at that - you can have your explanation because it hasn't been revealed to you - and keep your faith - but surely you'd concede that to people who don't trust in the 'higher cause' it makes no sense at all and is even shocking to common morality?



    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #414 - March 18, 2010, 04:37 PM
    ''AbuYnus - would you agree that if there is no higher justification (the one that is out of your grasp and out of your reach) it would appear that Allah has inverted values when it comes to shirk being the most immutable and unforgiveable sin?''

    Yes.


    ''Lets leave it at that - you can have your explanation because it hasn't been revealed to you - and keep your faith - but surely you'd concede that to people who don't trust in the 'higher cause' it makes no sense at all and is even shocking to common morality?''

    Yes
    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #415 - March 18, 2010, 04:37 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on March 18, 2010, 03:32 PM
    Why does any of this matter anyways? All of you non-mormons are going to hell anyways!


    Brother finally!  dance

    Let's go and get an extra wife

    Deusvult where you at bro!! Come mormon-hunting with us.
  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #416 - March 18, 2010, 04:40 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on March 18, 2010, 04:11 PM
    I think you are being too harsh on Abu Y, Billy. I don't think he is cowardly for one moment. It takes a lot of courage to come here and discuss things with us - and I don't mean because we are great or anything - but because it means facing some very uncomfortable questions and self-analysis. He is clearly struggling with those questions - and that takes a lot of courage when your world-view, comfort zone and very identity are at stake.

    +1 and it takes a lot of strength to say "I dont know", rather than giving some cock & bull answer just to prove you have an answer for everything. 
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  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #417 - March 18, 2010, 04:42 PM
    Quote from: abuyunus2 on March 18, 2010, 04:37 PM

    Yes.


    Yes


    OK, we are at that impasse then.  Well done for acknowledging the other view (and I don't say that in a patronising manner, its just quite rare for Muslims and quite a few adherents of other faiths to accept the other point of view on issues as close to the bone as this)

    Peace.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #418 - March 18, 2010, 04:43 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on March 18, 2010, 04:40 PM
    +1 and it takes a lot of strength to say "I dont know", rather than giving some cock & bull answer just to prove you have an answer for everything. 


    Yeah yeah alright I already apologised, what is this, the Spanish Inquistion.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #419 - March 18, 2010, 04:44 PM
    I don't think it takes a lot of courage. Huh?


    He's just bengali, so even our most religious types tend to be a bit more liberally inclined as far as open discussion about religion goes.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

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