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  • Re: You Can't Leave Islam!
     Reply #120 - March 29, 2010, 03:02 PM
    Quote from: abuyunus2 on March 29, 2010, 02:57 PM
    Are you kidding Kenan??? Ali was far from racist and chauvinistic. He was loved by people whether they were men, women, black, white, yellow or purple. And today he is still a hero to many people regardless of race, religion, or age. Everyone knows who he is and everyone (well most people at least) loves him.

    He is truly a universal figure.

    Want me to give you a few quotes?
  • Re: You Can't Leave Islam!
     Reply #121 - March 29, 2010, 03:04 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on March 29, 2010, 02:58 PM
    I'm like Kunte Kinte reborn motherfucker. I might be brown on the outside, but I'm basically a pitch black muscular nubian in my mind.

    Like I said before the main difference between you and KK is the "Mandingo Warrior" thing.
  • Re: You Can't Leave Islam!
     Reply #122 - March 29, 2010, 03:04 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on March 29, 2010, 01:48 PM
    Hey Hassan, could the douche from DawahWorks pull some sort of DMCA move on you for using footage from his vids?


    I wondered about that - we'll see...
  • Re: You Can't Leave Islam!
     Reply #123 - March 29, 2010, 03:06 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on March 29, 2010, 03:04 PM
    I wondered about that - we'll see...


    He's a true musulman, nefarious and wicked tactics are part and parcel of his belief system. To arms!
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: You Can't Leave Islam!
     Reply #124 - March 29, 2010, 03:06 PM
    Quote from: sojournerlumus on March 29, 2010, 01:54 PM
    Great thanks: Winter's over. And you sound pretty chipper too.


    Appearances can be deceptive - but I'm OK Smiley
  • Re: You Can't Leave Islam!
     Reply #125 - March 29, 2010, 03:08 PM
    Quote from: Kenan on March 29, 2010, 02:29 PM
    @abuyunus2 and @Hassan

    Muhammad Ali definitely is a great sportsman but some of his views – especially the ones he used to openly proclaim back in the ’60 and ’70 always troubled me. They just seems so partial, simplistic even racist and chauvinistic. I do understand that he was a man of his time and that he definitely did experience racism of that era however imho one’s true greatness is shown precisely in the ability to overcome such difficulties and in the ability to become a truly universal figure.



    I must have missed those - but I guess we have all said and done things we regret.
  • Re: You Can't Leave Islam!
     Reply #126 - March 29, 2010, 03:12 PM
    Yeah we all know he said a few things that he shouldn't have done. But bottom line, most people understood him and understood where those emotions were coming from. He was well liked throughout the world by white people as well as black people and by Christians as well as Muslims. His general attitude to people of other races and religions was actually very warm and tolerant and that's why people liked him - the things he sometimes said were for political reasons and people understood that.

    Till this day he is still a hero to many people regardless of their race, religion or age. The man is a universal figure and will always be a legend.
    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: You Can't Leave Islam!
     Reply #127 - March 29, 2010, 03:16 PM
    He hit people for a living and talked shit in the process. I'm sure there are better role models out there.

    sportsmen idolization = FAIL
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: You Can't Leave Islam!
     Reply #128 - March 29, 2010, 03:24 PM
    ''He hit people for a living and talked shit in the process. I'm sure there are better role models out there.

    sportsmen idolization = FAIL''


    Ali was more than just a sportsman, but it's ok if some people fail to realise that (although a bit sad in my books). And nothing wrong in having heroes.
    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: You Can't Leave Islam!
     Reply #129 - March 29, 2010, 03:26 PM
    Ye he was one of the greatest boxers of all time though.

    I think he is a Sufi Muslim now, if I am not mistaken?
    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: You Can't Leave Islam!
     Reply #130 - March 29, 2010, 03:26 PM
    Quote from: abuyunus2 on March 29, 2010, 03:12 PM
    The man is a universal figure ..

    I happen to disagree. And have very good reason for that.

    It is true however that he did grow as a person and his position shifted from Malcolm X type nationalism/chauvinism/racism all the way to even Sufism in the recent years but facts are facts.

    For example I would never ever say that all Muslims are bad and that they hate “white people”. Nor would I ever say that no intelligent white man or white woman in his or her right white mind wants black/Muslim/Jewish/etc. boys and black/Muslim/Jewish/etc. girls coming to their homes to marry their white sons and daughters. And I am just a simple nobody.
  • Re: You Can't Leave Islam!
     Reply #131 - March 29, 2010, 03:27 PM
    Quote from: Heyjustlooking on March 29, 2010, 03:26 PM
    Ye he was one of the greatest boxers of all time though.

    I think he is a Sufi Muslim now, if I am not mistaken?


    He left Nation of Islam a long time ago - that's for sure - they are a racist bunch!
  • Re: You Can't Leave Islam!
     Reply #132 - March 29, 2010, 03:28 PM
    Quote from: abuyunus2 on March 29, 2010, 03:24 PM
    Ali was more than just a sportsman ...

    And that is exactly the problem.
  • Re: You Can't Leave Islam!
     Reply #133 - March 29, 2010, 03:40 PM
    His Parkinson interviews are hilarious - I'll never forget his impression of Foreman following him around the ring like a "mummy"
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  • Re: You Can't Leave Islam!
     Reply #134 - March 29, 2010, 03:43 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on March 29, 2010, 03:40 PM
    His Parkinson interviews are hilarious - I'll never forget his impression of Foreman following him around the ring like a "mummy"


    Yeah I remember that well lol
  • Re: You Can't Leave Islam!
     Reply #135 - March 29, 2010, 03:44 PM
    Quote from: Heyjustlooking on March 29, 2010, 03:26 PM
    Ye he was one of the greatest boxers of all time though.

    I think he is a Sufi Muslim now, if I am not mistaken?


    I think there was one article where his daughter said he had become interested in sufism a few years ago, but I'm not exactly sure.
    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: You Can't Leave Islam!
     Reply #136 - March 29, 2010, 03:46 PM
    Yep, he is a Sufi now.

    btw abu stuff I wrote in my previous post are actually  quotes from the man himself - all I did is replaced a few key words
  • Re: You Can't Leave Islam!
     Reply #137 - March 29, 2010, 03:51 PM
    Forget Kenan everyone, the dude's talking nonsense. Watch this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_EHlzd63R8
    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: You Can't Leave Islam!
     Reply #138 - March 29, 2010, 04:08 PM
    I remember that too! Brilliant  Cheesy

    Clough is one of my heros too!

    The 70s was the best era - in the whole history of mankind!
  • Re: You Can't Leave Islam!
     Reply #139 - March 29, 2010, 04:11 PM
    Quote from: abuyunus2 on March 29, 2010, 03:51 PM
    Forget Kenan everyone, the dude's talking nonsense.

    Is this sarcasm?
    Do you mean nonsense as in "non-factual" or nonsense as in "I don't like it"?

    "We who follow the teachings of Elijah Muhammad don't want to be forced to integrate. Integration is wrong. We don't want to live with the white man; that's all"
    Hauser, Thomas (2003-11-02). "The living flame". Observer. http://observer.guardian.co.uk/osm/story/0,,1072751,00.html. Retrieved 2008-05-20.

    "No intelligent black man or black woman in his or her right black mind wants white boys and white girls coming to their homes to marry their black sons and daughters."
    Caldwell, Deborah. "Muhammad Ali's New Spiritual Quest". Beliefnet. http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Islam/2005/02/Muhammad-Alis-New-Spiritual-Quest.aspx. Retrieved 2008-05-20.

    Ali's religious beliefs at the time included the notion that the white man was "the devil" and that white people were not "righteous." Ali claimed that white people hated black people.

    Check this out abu (especially the bit @1.01) - "I don't have a single white friend. They are all associates.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA4dKIS4wSs&feature=related
  • Re: You Can't Leave Islam!
     Reply #140 - March 29, 2010, 04:15 PM
    Quote from: Kenan on March 29, 2010, 04:11 PM
    Ali's religious beliefs at the time included the notion that the white man was "the devil" and that white people were not "righteous." Ali claimed that white people hated black people.


    To be fair that's standard NOI beliefs - I'm sure Ali regrets that - he certainly seems to have come a long way since then.
  • Re: You Can't Leave Islam!
     Reply #141 - March 29, 2010, 04:18 PM
    White Kanye says:

    "Muhammad Ali doesn't care about white people"
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: You Can't Leave Islam!
     Reply #142 - March 29, 2010, 04:20 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on March 29, 2010, 04:15 PM
    To be fair that's standard NOI beliefs - I'm sure Ali regrets that - he certainly seems to have come a long way since then.

    I sure hope that you are right. But imho that is exactly the difference beteewn a truly univerally great man and a great sportsman whose intelectual capacity sometimes betrayed him. If he was truly great he should have known better. And there are many examples. One of my idols - Martin Luther King, Jr. – being one of them.
  • Re: You Can't Leave Islam!
     Reply #143 - March 29, 2010, 04:21 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on March 29, 2010, 04:18 PM
    "Muhammad Ali doesn't care about white people"

    Afaic people are people. Even Canucks.
  • Re: You Can't Leave Islam!
     Reply #144 - March 29, 2010, 04:23 PM
    I'm not disputing what Ali said. I know he said those things as did the rest of the world, but most people understood where his emotions were coming from at that time. Like I said if you don't like him, fine. But millions of others admired him for the man he was and what he stood for. He is and will always be a hero to millions around the world regardless of race, religion or age.
    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: You Can't Leave Islam!
     Reply #145 - March 29, 2010, 04:23 PM
    Quote from: Kenan on March 29, 2010, 04:20 PM
    I sure hope that you are right. But imho that is exactly the difference beteewn a truly univerally great man and a great sportsman whose intelectual capacity sometimes betrayed him. If he was truly great he should have known better. And there are many examples. One of my idols - Martin Luther King, Jr. – being one of them.


    Fair point!
  • Re: You Can't Leave Islam!
     Reply #146 - March 29, 2010, 04:24 PM
    Quote from: Kenan on March 29, 2010, 04:20 PM
    I sure hope that you are right. But imho that is exactly the difference beteewn a truly univerally great man and a great sportsman whose intelectual capacity sometimes betrayed him. If he was truly great he should have known better. And there are many examples. One of my idols - Martin Luther King, Jr. – being one of them.


    I agree.  I'm no one special, but I followed islam, and still didn't think or say stupid things about kaffirs, homosexuals, or anything else islam wanted me to be nasty about.

    To say a thing is to believe it, even a little, to say it with the passion he put behind it each time, is to believe it quite deeply, and that's the measure of a man.

    I can of course applaud the progress, but never forget the beginning.  Afro
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: You Can't Leave Islam!
     Reply #147 - March 29, 2010, 04:24 PM
    My parents have a 1970s pic with Muhammad Ali. That shit could be worth a lot if it werent for the desis in it. LOL
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: You Can't Leave Islam!
     Reply #148 - March 29, 2010, 04:25 PM
    I still think Malcolm X is cooler than MLK. Too bad about the Islam shit.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: You Can't Leave Islam!
     Reply #149 - March 29, 2010, 04:28 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on March 29, 2010, 04:25 PM
    I still think Malcolm X is cooler than MLK. Too bad about the Islam shit.


    Ye, Nation of Islam turned him into a racist. However, like Muhammad Ali, Malcolm X realised the error of his ways. I think it was when he went to Hajj, his views about white people changed. I would have thought though being an intellectual guy , X would have realised that without Islam but American society was openly racist during the 60's and 70's - shaped his views on white people.
    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
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