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  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #240 - April 01, 2010, 04:27 PM
    If I go into a society where wife beating prevails, and begin to beat my wife, does that mean you cant call me a wife-beater?  What a ridiculous apologist argument.

    You shag kids of your own free violition, you're a pedo, end of!
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  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #241 - April 01, 2010, 05:24 PM
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  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #242 - April 01, 2010, 05:26 PM
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    You guys are so stuck on attacking Islam that you have a very hard time analyzing it.

     

    Wrong, to the point of self-incriminating foolishness.

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  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #243 - April 01, 2010, 05:28 PM
    But you are failing to realize one point.

    Any sexual attraction to children by an Adult is pedophilia. Whether the society accepts it or not is a different matter. In the end its still pedophilia
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #244 - April 01, 2010, 05:33 PM
    Quote from: IslamMythology on April 01, 2010, 04:05 PM
    P.S. No one has tackled any of the other Ex-Muslim myths I posted. Are you guys conceding that those are indeed myths? Maybe just not interested? No problem if that's the case.

    I already have, apart from the last one. It's one or two pages back.

    I'm not going to bother replying any more. You have a habit of dodging issues and blaming it on not understanding culture, even when this has nothing to do with it. You keep making up excuses without backing them up, you ignore some of the severe problems of child marriage and think they don't exist in certain societies when all research shows they do. All of the issues I discussed are as relevant in Mo's time as they are now. You are an insult to many young wives out there who have no idea what the hell is going on and why some dirty ol' perv insists on shoving his cock inside them when they didn't ask for it.

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  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #245 - April 01, 2010, 05:40 PM
    Quote from: IslamMythology on April 01, 2010, 05:24 PM

    Say in your society there is a concept of 'wife-beating' or 'child-beating' which means any time either one's wife or child is hit with any amount of force this is considered abusive and a violation of the person being hit. Now let's say you enter another society where wives and children get hit. Are they being abused?

    I'm sure you will rush to say yes of course they are being abused and you will offer YOUR reasoning as to why this is wrong. But perhaps in that other society they have their own reasoning about hitting, and they feel there is nothing wrong with it. Which society is correct?

    Is your set of ethos correct just because that is what you like or think or have been conditioned to accept?

    Do you get the point?


    No, I dont get your point. Mo did not only marry Aisha, but he had sex with her of his own free violition.  Stop defending this bullshit.  You are making the assumption that we have to accept it in order to study it for what it was.  I dont know why you are so courageously attempting to defend the undefenceable.  Even Muslims dont put up such an effort, and they have a vested interest.  Perhaps you are trying to defend you heritage, I dont know.

    Secondly, and its a commonly made argument that sometimes get ignored.  You make the cultural relativity argument, as if to say it was ok to have sex with 9 years old in Arabia 1400 years ago.  I very much doubt it.  Her own father was against it.  In any case I have never seen evidence to suggest everyone was bonking kids, there is no natural inclination to do so in any case.  My guess is that it only happened in exclusive circles, usually amongst those who were rich or empowered.

    Let put it into perspective, he also managed to justify marrying eleven wives, and get his followers to justify it too.  Again I doubt that was common, as it would be too expensive for the average man to do so and have kids with each of them.  He was a man that knew how to take advantage of any situtation he was in.  And then there was Maria his slave girl, same story, it just goes on & on & on  Roll Eyes ......

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  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #246 - April 01, 2010, 05:48 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on April 01, 2010, 05:33 PM
    I already have, apart from the last one. It's one or two pages back.

    I'm not going to bother replying any more. You have a habit of dodging issues and blaming it on not understanding culture, even when this has nothing to do with it. You keep making up excuses without backing them up, you ignore some of the severe problems of child marriage and think they don't exist in certain societies when all research shows they do. All of the issues I discussed are as relevant in Mo's time as they are now. You are an insult to many young wives out there who have no idea what the hell is going on and why some dirty ol' perv insists on shoving his cock inside them when they didn't ask for it.

    I've had enough. I'm outta here.


    You are mixing up the issues here, all of you are doing the same thing. The question was, 'Was Muhammad a Pedophile?', meaning was he sexually attracted to children, i.e., was this his motive in marrying Aisha? That is the topic here. The topic is not whether or not child marriage is good, or if it is abusive, or harmful, or what have you. The question is upon Muhammad's motive.
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #247 - April 01, 2010, 05:49 PM
    No, the question is not "what was his motive in marrying Aisha", but what was his motive in dreaming about her, then marrying her, and then having sex with her.

    That narrows down the conclusions somewhat.
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  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #248 - April 01, 2010, 05:55 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on April 01, 2010, 05:40 PM
    No, I dont get your point. Mo did not only marry Aisha, but he had sex with her of his own free violition.  Stop defending this bullshit.  You are making the assumption that we have to accept it in order to study it for what it was.  I dont know why you are so courageously attempting to defend the undefenceable.  Even Muslims dont put up such an effort, and they have a vested interest.  Perhaps you are trying to defend you heritage, I dont know.

    Secondly, and its a commonly made argument that sometimes get ignored.  You make the cultural relativity argument, as if to say it was ok to have sex with 9 years old in Arabia 1400 years ago.  I very much doubt it.  Her own father was against it.  In any case I have never seen evidence to suggest everyone was bonking kids, there is no natural inclination to do so in any case.  My guess is that it only happened in exclusive circles, usually amongst those who were rich or empowered.

    Let put it into perspective, he also managed to justify marrying eleven wives, and get his followers to justify it too.  Again I doubt that was common, as it would be too expensive for the average man to do so and have kids with each of them.  He was a man that knew how to take advantage of any situtation he was in.  And then there was Maria his slave girl, same story, it just goes on & on & on  Roll Eyes ......




    I think you are muddying the waters here. The question is very specific - was Muhammad sexually attracted to children? The answer is, we don't know. You guys say well because he married a child he must be sexually attracted to children. Ok, that is a line of reasoning, r ---> c. Is it sound? Well are there any other motives behind a child marriage? Yes there can be other motives. Thus, we cannot say that the statement, 'anyone who marries a child is sexually attracted to children' is true. Do you get it?

    This is logic 101, has anyone ever studied logic here? All I am doing is running it through the mill. That is all I have done this whole time.

  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #249 - April 01, 2010, 05:57 PM
    Did you miss this post?

    Quote from: IsLame on April 01, 2010, 05:49 PM
    No, the question is not "what was his motive in marrying Aisha", but what was his motive in dreaming about her, then marrying her, and then having sex with her.

    That narrows down the conclusions somewhat.

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  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #250 - April 01, 2010, 05:59 PM
    Quote from: IslamMythology on April 01, 2010, 05:55 PM
    I think you are muddying the waters here. The question is very specific - was Muhammad sexually attracted to children? The answer is, we don't know. You guys say well because he married a child he must be sexually attracted to children. Ok, that is a line of reasoning, r ---> c. Is it sound? Well are there any other motives behind a child marriage? Yes there can be other motives. Thus, we cannot say that the statement, 'anyone who marries a child is sexually attracted to children' is true. Do you get it?

    This is logic 101, has anyone ever studied logic here? All I am doing is running it through the mill. That is all I have done this whole time.




    He wouldn't have consumated the marriage if he had not been sexually attracted to her, the marriage would have been enough to cement the alliance you reckon might have been the reason, with more waiting until she came of an age in which she was sexually attractive to him.

    I'm not calling him a pedo for marrying her, I'm calling him one for actually being able to get erect, and consumate the marriage, at her age.
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  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #251 - April 01, 2010, 06:02 PM
    It is one thing to marry a child for " altruistic" motives and " practical" motives, if that type of thing happened at the time.  But to have it written down that you dreamed about said 6 year old girl and married her, and then had sex with her at 9( which wouldn't really be necessary for altruistic or practical motives) narrows the motives down a lot.  
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #252 - April 01, 2010, 06:07 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on April 01, 2010, 05:59 PM
    I'm calling him one for actually being able to get erect, and consumate the marriage, at her age.

    Whoops, good point,  I forgot to mention that fact that he got a boner too.  Wonder what IslamicMythology will say to this  dance
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  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #253 - April 01, 2010, 06:19 PM
    Yeah, excellent point!
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #254 - April 01, 2010, 06:34 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on April 01, 2010, 06:07 PM
    Whoops, good point,  I forgot to mention that fact that he got a boner too.  Wonder what IslamicMythology will say to this  dance


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  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #255 - April 01, 2010, 06:36 PM
    Cultural relativism....
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #256 - April 01, 2010, 08:45 PM
    Quote from: IslamMythology on March 31, 2010, 03:30 AM
    If Muhammad was a pedophile can you imagine how many pedophile grandfathers you have? Muhammad's marriage to Aisha was an arranged marriage. It was arranged when she was 6 or 7 and they were married when she was 9 or 10. That is how they did things back then. Why? That is a question for cultural anthropology. I would guess that just about all of us have a number of ancestors who did this, as this wasn't specific to Arab culture alone. That brings up another point - Muhammad didn't invent this practice so why does he get the blame? He is just another Arab guy in 7th century Arabia getting an arranged marriage. Your real contention is with Arab culture and arranged marriages. Why do you expect Muhammad to act outside of his culture? You know he wasn't a prophet. I'm not saying this practice is ok, or that we should accept it for whatever practical reasons it originally served, but he wasn't a pedophile.

    His first wife was 15 years his senior and he was married to her for 25 years. His other wives were in their 20s, 30s, or older.


    Sorry I haven't been following this thread to the end but it looks like fun. A question for "Islamic Mythology": regarding the Mo-was-a-Pedo question, if you have time, could you glance over my Sufi position on this and tell me what you think?

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  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #257 - April 01, 2010, 09:20 PM
    Wow this thread got so interesting popcorn

    Quote from: IslamMythology on April 01, 2010, 05:24 PM
    Again, this is the same mistake you guys keep making. You have a certain ethos and everything you touch is judged against it. No matter what is said you guys do not break this mantra. It is a major error in your guys method of analysis.

    Say in your society there is a concept of 'wife-beating' or 'child-beating' which means any time either one's wife or child is hit with any amount of force this is considered abusive and a violation of the person being hit. Now let's say you enter another society where wives and children get hit. Are they being abused?

    I'm sure you will rush to say yes of course they are being abused and you will offer YOUR reasoning as to why this is wrong. But perhaps in that other society they have their own reasoning about hitting, and they feel there is nothing wrong with it. Which society is correct?

    Is your set of ethos correct just because that is what you like or think or have been conditioned to accept?

    Do you get the point?

    I think YOU were missing the point, maybe even deliberately. IsLame never said anything about whether or not they are being abused, or whether wife beating is acceptable or not. He said simply if someone beats their wife, they are a wife beater. No judgement involved. It doesn't necessarily have to be something that we perceive as negative either... if someone grows a garden, they are a gardener. See? And if someone is sexually attracted to children, they are a pedophile. It's quite simple.
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  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #258 - April 01, 2010, 09:20 PM
    Muhammed did not have pedophilia, I think most people here understand that, and use the term pedophile are using it more a way of pointing out his perverted actions and how his crime would be labled, not as a clinical diagnosis.
    That is important, so lets get that out the way.

    He was however suffering from narcissistic personality disorder. He probably wanted her mostly because he could, because it was something different, because it made him feel powerful.

    And yes, it would be taboo. This 'well that is how things were stuff' is nonsense. It wasnt. In ancient Rome women typically did not get married till their late teens or even 20s. Even in cultures where very young marriage was common, the two would not really 'be married' and consumate that marriage at 9.
    Furthermore, even in cultures where child marriage happened, it was between 2 youngsters, an age difference of over 40 years? A 50 year old man with a 6-9 year old girl....That would be taboo.
    And even if it was common in pre islamic arabia (it wasnt), so? He's supposed to be a prophet right? Perfect man forever. He took on every major institution in arabia, the whole system....oh, but he didnt want to address the raping of children or slavery...because ya know, that was just how people are back then...? Huh?
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  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #259 - April 01, 2010, 09:22 PM
    good points  Afro
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  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #260 - April 01, 2010, 09:38 PM
    Quote from: IslamMythology on April 01, 2010, 05:24 PM
    Again, this is the same mistake you guys keep making. You have a certain ethos and everything you touch is judged against it. No matter what is said you guys do not break this mantra. It is a major error in your guys method of analysis.

    Say in your society there is a concept of 'wife-beating' or 'child-beating' which means any time either one's wife or child is hit with any amount of force this is considered abusive and a violation of the person being hit. Now let's say you enter another society where wives and children get hit. Are they being abused?

    I'm sure you will rush to say yes of course they are being abused and you will offer YOUR reasoning as to why this is wrong. But perhaps in that other society they have their own reasoning about hitting, and they feel there is nothing wrong with it. Which society is correct?

    Is your set of ethos correct just because that is what you like or think or have been conditioned to accept?

    Do you get the point?

    You guys are so stuck on attacking Islam that you have a very hard time analyzing it. One of you earlier admitted that we cannot definitively say that Muhammad was a pedophile. Bravo! End of story. It thus remains as an assertion, and as I said it is possible that all of these men in 7th century Arabia had some kind of underlying lust for children but there are plenty of other motives for this cultural practice of child marriages. You guys keep forgetting that it isn't only Muhammad you are labeling here.

    Anyhow, I'm getting tired of repeating myself, I'm sure you guys are too.

    Yes i get the point. You worship cultural relativism. Ok.   
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  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #261 - April 01, 2010, 11:31 PM
    Quote from: Luthiel on April 01, 2010, 09:20 PM
    Wow this thread got so interesting popcorn
    I think YOU were missing the point, maybe even deliberately. IsLame never said anything about whether or not they are being abused, or whether wife beating is acceptable or not. He said simply if someone beats their wife, they are a wife beater. No judgement involved. It doesn't necessarily have to be something that we perceive as negative either... if someone grows a garden, they are a gardener. See? And if someone is sexually attracted to children, they are a pedophile. It's quite simple.


    Well by calling it 'wife-beating' or if we are to involve the issue of children here (because they get the same kind of treatment) 'child-beating' is to refer to these practices negatively (aside from the bro's obvious negative inflection). To make the point even further, Muslims dislike the term 'beating' in regard to this issue. They feel that this is an old english way of saying 'hit' and don't like that it is used in translations of the Quran. The point is the language we use to describe a practice by itself begins an argument (often) on one side of the issue or the other.

    Btw it was a practice to hit your wife, w/o restriction it seems, in Muhammad's time. One woman was beaten badly, to the point of injury, and Muhammad was upset about that. I think we are all familiar with how all the women began complaining the day Muhammad lifted his ban on hitting wives, and he censured the Sahabah about that. Of course later we see the famous miswak report lol, but here is the thing - that report is very important because it restricts the hitting heavily, I mean the hitting is laughable. We can find in texts of fiqh, not new ones I'm talking 800 year old texts, rulings forbidding that any physical damage be done in the case that a wife is hit. So Islam, at least Sunni Islam, does not promote 'wife-beating' it promotes 'wife-miswaking' lol. 
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #262 - April 01, 2010, 11:34 PM
    Quote from: Homer on April 01, 2010, 09:20 PM
    Muhammed did not have pedophilia, I think most people here understand that, and use the term pedophile are using it more a way of pointing out his perverted actions and how his crime would be labled, not as a clinical diagnosis.
    That is important, so lets get that out the way.

    He was however suffering from narcissistic personality disorder. He probably wanted her mostly because he could, because it was something different, because it made him feel powerful.

    And yes, it would be taboo. This 'well that is how things were stuff' is nonsense. It wasnt. In ancient Rome women typically did not get married till their late teens or even 20s. Even in cultures where very young marriage was common, the two would not really 'be married' and consumate that marriage at 9.
    Furthermore, even in cultures where child marriage happened, it was between 2 youngsters, an age difference of over 40 years? A 50 year old man with a 6-9 year old girl....That would be taboo.
    And even if it was common in pre islamic arabia (it wasnt), so? He's supposed to be a prophet right? Perfect man forever. He took on every major institution in arabia, the whole system....oh, but he didnt want to address the raping of children or slavery...because ya know, that was just how people are back then...? Huh?



    I don't think so Homer, all I've heard from them is that he was a pedophile proper, i.e., sexually attracted to children. Maybe you can talk to them lol.
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #263 - April 01, 2010, 11:45 PM
    I don't think anyone here was saying that he has a chronic desire to have sex with little children only that he was a pedophile or more appropriately participated in a pedophilic act.  Ultimatly who cares?  He has sex with a little child. Period.  He was a man of his time and probably on the lower end of people of his time.  Who cares what exact label he gets?  He wasn't worth of emulation and admiration at least at the personal behavioral level then, and he isn't now. 

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #264 - April 01, 2010, 11:45 PM
    Quote from: IslamMythology on April 01, 2010, 11:34 PM
    I don't think so Homer, all I've heard from them is that he was a pedophile proper, i.e., sexually attracted to children. Maybe you can talk to them lol.

    How can you get an erection without being sexually attracted?  Why is it so important to you that you defend this point, I thought you were only interested in studying the mythology?  

    You might even come to more interesting conclusions if you accept it as the truth.  I dunno, you could study the reason behind womens pursuit of youth, and see if they 2 are interconnected.  

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  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #265 - April 01, 2010, 11:50 PM
    Quote from: IslamMythology on April 01, 2010, 11:31 PM
    Well by calling it 'wife-beating' or if we are to involve the issue of children here (because they get the same kind of treatment) 'child-beating' is to refer to these practices negatively (aside from the bro's obvious negative inflection). To make the point even further, Muslims dislike the term 'beating' in regard to this issue. They feel that this is an old english way of saying 'hit' and don't like that it is used in translations of the Quran. The point is the language we use to describe a practice by itself begins an argument (often) on one side of the issue or the other.

    Btw it was a practice to hit your wife, w/o restriction it seems, in Muhammad's time. One woman was beaten badly, to the point of injury, and Muhammad was upset about that. I think we are all familiar with how all the women began complaining the day Muhammad lifted his ban on hitting wives, and he censured the Sahabah about that. Of course later we see the famous miswak report lol, but here is the thing - that report is very important because it restricts the hitting heavily, I mean the hitting is laughable. We can find in texts of fiqh, not new ones I'm talking 800 year old texts, rulings forbidding that any physical damage be done in the case that a wife is hit. So Islam, at least Sunni Islam, does not promote 'wife-beating' it promotes 'wife-miswaking' lol.  


    Awesome.  Let's all use euphemisms.  I wasn't beating my wife I was correcting her behavior.  I wasn't killing the infidel, it was a premature termination of an adherent of a foreign faith.  This is like Orwell to the extreme.  
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #266 - April 01, 2010, 11:52 PM
    Quote from: IslamMythology on April 01, 2010, 11:34 PM
    I don't think so Homer, all I've heard from them is that he was a pedophile proper, i.e., sexually attracted to children.

    I also dont understand why you're an atheist, as you seem to be able to see diamond when all I see is coal & worthless merchandise?
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  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #267 - April 01, 2010, 11:53 PM
    Quote
    Why is it so important to you that you defend this point, I thought you were only interested in studying the mythology?  

     

    Maybe he is interested in the mythology of Mohammad's erections  Huh?
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  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #268 - April 01, 2010, 11:55 PM
    maybe he wants to exclusively worship Mo's erection?
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  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #269 - April 01, 2010, 11:57 PM
    Quote from: The tailor on April 01, 2010, 08:45 PM
    Sorry I haven't been following this thread to the end but it looks like fun. A question for "Islamic Mythology": regarding the Mo-was-a-Pedo question, if you have time, could you glance over my Sufi position on this and tell me what you think?

    http://thegoodgarment.wordpress.com/2010/01/13/aisha’s-marriage-a-hyper-salafi-perspective/

    If you don't have time (it is rather long), never mind.

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    The Tailor




    I appreciate a different perspective likes yours, I really treasure that as a matter of fact. I read your article and will save your blog and take a look at it some more. Btw, am I catching the fragrance of Syed Hossein Nasr from your thought or is that just me (probably something I ate)?

    In any case, I appreciate your having a spiritual perspective of this event but I don't believe it makes the case. I believe that you are taking this event into a mythological realm, a realm of fantasy. I don't think the issue of Aisha has anything to do with 'symbols of spirituality', I think it has everything to do with ancient tribal culture. My perspective on the issue is an anthropological perspective (you know you're doing good when you get accused of worshipping 'cultural relativism' as I was somewhere on here today lol).

    I think we both believe that Muhammad was not a pedophile. However, I am not prepared to extend license to child marriage, not then and not now. I will understand the motives behind it as best I can, and that is what I have been arguing for, but that doesn't mean I think it is a good thing, and I certainly don't think it should continue.

    I look forward to hearing more from you on the forum akhi, assalamu alaykum.
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