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 Topic: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"

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  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #330 - August 06, 2010, 02:50 PM

    Quote from: yeezevee
    What is cooking here??


    Just a few turkeys.

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #331 - August 06, 2010, 02:54 PM

    What gave you that idea?

    That's for me to know and you to find out.

    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #332 - August 06, 2010, 03:00 PM

    Quote from: atheist.pk
    That's for me to know and you to find out.


    All right. So are you animal vegetable or mineral?

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #333 - August 06, 2010, 04:38 PM

    Shady non-Americans who believe in sharia are funding an unnecessary mosque named after a historical sharia-ruled state in Spain near the epicenter of an Islamic jihad attack and are lying that this state was some kind of exemplar of interfaith harmony. You see nothing to be concerned about in that? It doesn't suggest to you that all this phraseology designed to appeal to woolly minded liberals isn't just a smokescreen for less laudible motivations?

    I don't look at it that way.

    To me they're building a needed community centre and mosque for Muslims in the area. And they chose Cordoba because it is associated with cool architecture and Avverros.
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #334 - August 06, 2010, 04:51 PM

    Strange, you seemed to care an awful lot about Muslims "needs" a few pages back when you wrote:


     Roll Eyes Way to miss the whole point of what I wrote. That was specifically in response to JNT's suggestion the mosque be built elsewhere. I was merely explaining the practicalities of why it was being built there.

    Quote
    The law of nature is the law of the jungle - 'the good old plan, That all shall take who have the power. And all shall keep who can ' - which IS the "law" of Islam.


    Wrong. Read Locke.

    Quote
    Exactly which US law states that murderous transnational cults responible for acts of mass carnage have a "right" to build meeting places financed by shady foreign backers anywhere in the USA?


     Roll Eyes Yes, you've done exactly what others who want to discriminate against Muslims have done, classify it as something other than a religion to make religious discrimination and bigotry by the state okay.

    We have a Bill of Rights written into our Constitution and I have no interest in violating it.

    Quote
    If the Aum wanted to build a branch office near the New York subway would they have a "legal right" to do so?


    Yes, under the First Amendment they most certainly do, just like a neo-Nazi organization has a legal and natural right to build an office right near a synagogue, zoning issues permitting.

    Everytime you post on this shit, you just expose your ignorance about universal, natural rights and US Constitutional law more and more. You don't fucking get it.

    fuck you
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #335 - August 09, 2010, 05:43 AM

    Quote from: Q-Man
    Way to miss the whole point of what I wrote. That was specifically in response to JNT's suggestion the mosque be built elsewhere. I was merely explaining the practicalities of why it was being built there.


    Do you actually have any figures for "devout Muslims" living/working within walking distance of the proposed mosque site?

    Quote
    Yes, you've done exactly what others who want to discriminate against Muslims have done, classify it as something other than a religion


    So you disagree with Muslims who state "Islam is not just another religion" as in:

    Quote
    So, immediately we understand that it is more than just the clothing that is desired. It is the proper respect and behavior of the two sexes toward each other at all times. Keep in mind that Islam is not just another religion. Islam (Total Surrender, Submission, Obedience, Sincerity and Peace with Allah) is for all people, in all places and in all times.

    SOURCE

    Quote
    to make religious discrimination and bigotry by the state okay.


    So if Islam could be conclusively demonstrated to be "not just a religion" the proposed mosque COULD conceivably be legally stopped on those grounds? Do I understand you right?

    Quote
    If the Aum wanted to build a branch office near the New York subway would they have a "legal right" to do so?


    Quote
    Yes, under the First Amendment they most certainly do, just like a neo-Nazi organization has a legal and natural right to build an office right near a synagogue, zoning issues permitting.


    So if concerned members of the public objected to Aum setting up shop next to a New York subway on the grounds of their record of gassing people in subways US law provides them with no chance to mount a successful application for a prohibition on those grounds? Is that correct?

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #336 - August 09, 2010, 11:38 AM

    Quote
    Mischief in Manhattan
     
    We Muslims know the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation
     
    By Raheel Raza and Tarek Fatah, Citizen SpecialAugust 7, 2010

    Last week, a journalist who writes for the North Country Times, a small newspaper in Southern California, sent us an e-mail titled
    Quote
    "Help."

     He couldn't understand why an Islamic Centre in an area where Adam Gadahn, Osama bin Laden's American spokesman came from, and that was home to three of the 911 terrorists, was looking to expand.

    The man has a very valid point, which leads to the ongoing debate about building a Mosque at Ground Zero in New York. When we try to understand the reasoning behind building a mosque at the epicentre of the worst-ever attack on the U.S., we wonder why its proponents don't build a monument to those who died in the attack?

    New York currently boasts at least 30 mosques so it's not as if there is pressing need to find space for worshippers. The fact we Muslims know the idea behind the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation to thumb our noses at the infidel. The proposal has been made in bad faith and in Islamic parlance, such an act is referred to as
    Quote
    "Fitna,"

     meaning
    Quote
    "mischief-making"

     that is clearly forbidden in the Koran.

    The Koran commands Muslims to,
    Quote
    "Be considerate when you debate with the People of the Book"

     -- i.e., Jews and Christians. Building an exclusive place of worship for Muslims at the place where Muslims killed thousands of New Yorkers is not being considerate or sensitive, it is undoubtedly an act of "fitna"

    So what gives Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf of the
    Quote
    "Cordoba Initiative"

     and his cohorts the misplaced idea that they will increase tolerance for Muslims by brazenly displaying their own intolerance in this case?

    Do they not understand that building a mosque at Ground Zero is equivalent to permitting a Serbian Orthodox church near the killing fields of Srebrenica where 8,000 Muslim men and boys were slaughtered?

    There are many questions that we would like to ask. Questions about where the funding is coming from? If this mosque is being funded by Saudi sources, then it is an even bigger slap in the face of Americans, as nine of the jihadis in the Twin Tower calamity were Saudis.

    If Rauf is serious about building bridges, then he could have dedicated space in this so-called community centre to a church and synagogue, but he did not. We passed on this message to him through a mutual Saudi friend, but received no answer. He could have proposed a memorial to the 9/11 dead with a denouncement of the doctrine of armed jihad, but he chose not to.

    It's a repugnant thought that $100 million would be brought into the United States rather than be directed at dying and needy Muslims in Darfur or Pakistan.

    Let's not forget that a mosque is an exclusive place of worship for Muslims and not an inviting community centre. Most Americans are wary of mosques due to the hard core rhetoric that is used in pulpits. And rightly so. As Muslims we are dismayed that our co-religionists have such little consideration for their fellow citizens and wish to rub salt in their wounds and pretend they are applying a balm to sooth the pain.

    The Koran implores Muslims to speak the truth, even if it hurts the one who utters the truth. Today we speak the truth, knowing very well Muslims have forgotten this crucial injunction from Allah.

    If this mosque does get built, it will forever be a lightning rod for those who have little room for Muslims or Islam in the U.S. We simply cannot understand why on Earth the traditional leadership of America's Muslims would not realize their folly and back out in an act of goodwill.

    As for those teary-eyed, bleeding-heart liberals such as New York mayor Michael Bloomberg and much of the media, who are blind to the Islamist agenda in North America, we understand their goodwill.

    Unfortunately for us, their stand is based on ignorance and guilt, and they will never in their lives have to face the tyranny of Islamism that targets, kills and maims Muslims worldwide, and is using liberalism itself to destroy liberal secular democratic societies from within.

    http://www.ottawacitizen.com/story_print.html?id=3370303&sponsor=
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #337 - August 09, 2010, 12:36 PM

    9-11 Firefighter Tim Brown Debates $100M Mosque at Ground Zero

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gMHP-OY5xs

    So My man says   "IT IS NOT A MOSQUE", that is good.,  so let us move website like CEMB and FFI  off course  that includes Hassan's "STORM FRONT" in to  that building and educate Muslims like that bearded old fellow who seem not to understand Mr. Muhammad's Islam.,

    This fools doesn't know "WHAT IS GOD AND WHAT IS GOD's LAW"  let us carefully analyze his words and his defense for building  the so-called Mosques., Off course he says "IT IS NOT A MOSQUE" ., so what is it and how we could influence those who enter in that building??

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #338 - August 09, 2010, 12:48 PM


    So if Islam could be conclusively demonstrated to be "not just a religion" the proposed mosque COULD conceivably be legally stopped on those grounds? Do I understand you right?


    How are you doing DH??  well you seem not to know that "IT IS NOT A MOSQUE" so would you be happy if it is not Mosque., Please watch that video., Ideally if good RICH Muslim guys  like the one you see in that video would like spend 100 million dollars at that 9/11 site  to build something what would you suggest to them??

    would you  be happy if those guys who are the in charge of that building give some rooms/place to  that organizations like "your stormfront" ( I guess you are a member of it according to Mr. Hassan), CEMB and FFI so that you guys will educate Muslims and Ex-Muslim/Atheists  like our Hassan ??

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #339 - August 09, 2010, 12:55 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LskRNdvnOk4

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #340 - August 09, 2010, 12:55 PM

    I think it's wrong to be opposed to this building. it's a knee-jerk reaction with implications.
    there is no legal grounds for the opposition, and the moral grounds are flawed.
    as the guy in the video wants say "we are wary of you muslim guys"
    that's a dangerous discrimination.

    it would be great if it never was a suggestion, but after this point, the best way forward is to let it happen.
    otherwise it will strengthen the bias that muslims are all shit and we won against them this time fuck yeah!
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #341 - August 09, 2010, 12:57 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7WbTv_gsx4

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni9FmGE9Rss

    Good stuff.. very good stuff..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #342 - August 09, 2010, 01:43 PM

    How are you doing DH??  well you seem not to know that "IT IS NOT A MOSQUE"


    You mean it's not JUST a mosque surely:

    Quote
    Rabbi Arthur Waskow, of the Philadelphia-based Shalom Center, joined about 30 other religious leaders and Jewish activists Thursday at the spot where the Cordoba Initiative hopes to build an Islamic center that will include a mosque, an athletic center, a culinary school and art studios. Waskow says the mosque will help people learn more about Islam....

    SOURCE

    Quote
    Ideally if good RICH Muslim guys  like the one you see in that video would like spend 100 million dollars at that 9/11 site  to build something what would you suggest to them??


    I would suggest they spend it in "Muslim" countries to educate the countless number of self-defined Muslims who think Jihad and sharia are eternal obligations for true believers the "error" of their ways.

    Quote
    would you  be happy if those guys who are the in charge of that building give some rooms/place to  that organizations like "your stormfront"


    Hassan has no evidence that I am a member or supporter of "Stormfront".

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #343 - August 09, 2010, 02:09 PM

    Quote from: Iraqi Atheist
    I don't look at it that way.

    To me they're building a needed community centre and mosque for Muslims in the area. And they chose Cordoba because it is associated with cool architecture and Avverros.


    You are right that such a rosy-eyed view of Muslim-occupied Iberia has - largely due to the efforts of our own addled-brained "historians" over a long period - gained widespread acceptance in the west. Naturally those behind this project are going to exploit these misconceptions to get woolly minded progressives behind it. That is why the REALITY of the Cordoba emirate/caliphate as a sharia state where people who "insulted" Islam were judicially murdered needs to be brought to the public's attention.

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #344 - August 09, 2010, 02:10 PM

    You mean it's not JUST a mosque surely:
    SOURCE
    Quote
    Hassan has no evidence that I am a member or supporter of "Stormfront".


    that is not  for you to answer DH., that is for Hassan and to those who support Hassan's views of THAT post., my question to you was different., let me put that again

    would you  be happy if those guys who are the in charge of that building give some rooms/place to  that organizations like "your stormfront" to do what thye want in that place?


    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #345 - August 09, 2010, 02:22 PM

    yeezevee, your question regarding Stormfront is irrelevent to me as I am not and never have been a member/supporter/sympathizer of this or any similar organization.

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #346 - August 09, 2010, 02:26 PM

    Hassan has no evidence that I am a member or supporter of "Stormfront".


    Ah, but you don´t see eye to eye with him so you must be.

    Like a compass needle that points north, a man?s accusing finger always finds a woman. Always.

    Khaled Hosseini - A thousand splendid suns.
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #347 - August 09, 2010, 02:31 PM

    Quote from: Paloma
    Ah, but you don´t see eye to eye with him so you must be.


    That does appear to sum up the "logic" of Hassan's reasoning.

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #348 - August 09, 2010, 02:37 PM

    That does appear to sum up the "logic" of Hassan's reasoning.


     So DH., what makes Hassan to reason  your posts and responses at CEMB are like the people who write in to Stromfront or FFI?  by the way do you  read and write in to FFI??

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #349 - August 09, 2010, 02:38 PM


    Mischief in Manhattan
     
    We Muslims know the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation
     
    By Raheel Raza and Tarek Fatah, Citizen SpecialAugust 7, 2010

    Last week, a journalist who writes for the North Country Times, a small newspaper in Southern California, sent us an e-mail titled

    "Help"

     He couldn't understand why an Islamic Centre in an area where Adam Gadahn, Osama bin Laden's American spokesman came from, and that was home to three of the 911 terrorists, was looking to expand.

    The man has a very valid point, which leads to the ongoing debate about building a Mosque at Ground Zero in New York. When we try to understand the reasoning behind building a mosque at the epicentre of the worst-ever attack on the U.S., we wonder why its proponents don't build a monument to those who died in the attack?

    New York currently boasts at least 30 mosques so it's not as if there is pressing need to find space for worshippers. The fact we Muslims know the idea behind the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation to thumb our noses at the infidel. The proposal has been made in bad faith and in Islamic parlance, such an act is referred to as  meaning  that is clearly forbidden in the Koran.

    The Koran commands Muslims to,  "Be considerate when you debate with the People of the Book" -- i.e., Jews and Christians. Building an exclusive place of worship for Muslims at the place where Muslims killed thousands of New Yorkers is not being considerate or sensitive, it is undoubtedly an act of "fitna"

    So what gives Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf of the  and his cohorts the misplaced idea that they will increase tolerance for Muslims by brazenly displaying their own intolerance in this case?

    Do they not understand that building a mosque at Ground Zero is equivalent to permitting a Serbian Orthodox church near the killing fields of Srebrenica where 8,000 Muslim men and boys were slaughtered?

    There are many questions that we would like to ask. Questions about where the funding is coming from? If this mosque is being funded by Saudi sources, then it is an even bigger slap in the face of Americans, as nine of the jihadis in the Twin Tower calamity were Saudis.

    If Rauf is serious about building bridges, then he could have dedicated space in this so-called community centre to a church and synagogue, but he did not. We passed on this message to him through a mutual Saudi friend, but received no answer. He could have proposed a memorial to the 9/11 dead with a denouncement of the doctrine of armed jihad, but he chose not to.

    It's a repugnant thought that $100 million would be brought into the United States rather than be directed at dying and needy Muslims in Darfur or Pakistan.

    Let's not forget that a mosque is an exclusive place of worship for Muslims and not an inviting community centre. Most Americans are wary of mosques due to the hard core rhetoric that is used in pulpits. And rightly so. As Muslims we are dismayed that our co-religionists have such little consideration for their fellow citizens and wish to rub salt in their wounds and pretend they are applying a balm to sooth the pain.

    The Koran implores Muslims to speak the truth, even if it hurts the one who utters the truth. Today we speak the truth, knowing very well Muslims have forgotten this crucial injunction from Allah.

    If this mosque does get built, it will forever be a lightning rod for those who have little room for Muslims or Islam in the U.S. We simply cannot understand why on Earth the traditional leadership of America's Muslims would not realize their folly and back out in an act of goodwill.

    As for those teary-eyed, bleeding-heart liberals such as New York mayor Michael Bloomberg and much of the media, who are blind to the Islamist agenda in North America, we understand their goodwill.

    Unfortunately for us, their stand is based on ignorance and guilt, and they will never in their lives have to face the tyranny of Islamism that targets, kills and maims Muslims worldwide, and is using liberalism itself to destroy liberal secular democratic societies from within.


    Good article. Anything you'd like to take issue with therein Q-man?

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #350 - August 09, 2010, 02:45 PM

    So DH., what makes Hassan to reason  your posts and responses at CEMB are like the people who write in to Stromfront


    Good question. I'd like an answer to that one myself. Hassan like to answer Yeezevee's question?

    Quote
    or FFI?


    I have just looked at this FFI and feel the comparison between it and a hard Nazi group is stretching it to say the least.

    Quote
    by the way do you  read and write in to FFI??


    I have posted at a number of Islam-related sites over the years so it is possible that I've stuck my oar in there. What about you?

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #351 - August 09, 2010, 02:51 PM

    More right wing blather.

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #352 - August 09, 2010, 02:54 PM

    Quote from: deusvult
    More right wing blather.


    Where? I'd like to read it  cool2

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #353 - August 09, 2010, 05:17 PM

    More right wing blather.

    right wing is always wrong. left wing is always right?
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #354 - August 09, 2010, 09:22 PM

    right wing is always wrong. left wing is always right?

    Are you trying to hit DH dear ygalg ?  you mean to say DH is left winger and he is right..lol..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #355 - August 10, 2010, 04:48 AM

    Quote from: yeezevee
    Are you trying to hit DH dear ygalg ?  you mean to say DH is left winger and he is right..lol..

     Huh?

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #356 - August 10, 2010, 04:52 AM

    DH can you please go the introduction thread and start introductory thread about yourself and introduce to yourself. Its called basic courtesy.  You never created one
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #357 - August 10, 2010, 06:52 AM

    Are you trying to hit DH dear ygalg ?  you mean to say DH is left winger and he is right..lol..

    I don't know DH's political stance.
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #358 - August 10, 2010, 07:25 AM

    right wing is always wrong. left wing is always right?

     Not at all.  In America at least both sides have pointless diatribes that make superficial sense,  but on closer examination are totally bogus.  Like I'm supposed to give a rat's ass if some Islamist jacks off at night thinking that there will be a mosque near the twin towers site.  Let's throw away our freedom of religion because some dicks are taking some self mastabatory pleasure in it.  Fuck no.  That's not only what makes me different thanthem, it makes me better.  And lol at " destroying liberalism from the inside".  Right wing blather is all the same.  Our values are being threatened so let's break those values to preserve them. Same militant bs as always.  We are under attack so let's deny freedoms, wacko blah blah blah.

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #359 - August 10, 2010, 09:51 AM

    you're not delusional over the nature of that mosque. you know what is about. and despite that, you would not oppose it. cause it will go against the values you cherish. knowingly this mosque is against these values. it's commendable that you stand on the principles that founders established.
    imo ideals in unideal world is a bit off.





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