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 Topic: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"

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  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #300 - August 05, 2010, 07:21 PM

    Doesn't that concern you?

    Not if I was a American. Why would that concern me?
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #301 - August 05, 2010, 07:22 PM

    Mosque at Ground Zero: That's Bullshit
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPPxBrtrH1c

    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #302 - August 05, 2010, 07:34 PM

    http://www.economist.com/node/16743239?story_id=16743239&fsrc=nlw|hig|08-05-2010|editors_highlights

    Build that mosque



    The campaign against the proposed Cordoba centre in New York is unjust and dangerous

    Aug 5th 2010

    WHAT makes a Muslim in Britain or America wake up and decide that he is no longer a Briton or American but an Islamic “soldier” fighting a holy war against the infidel? Part of it must be pull: the lure of jihadism. Part is presumably push: a feeling that he no longer belongs to the place where he lives. Either way, the results can be lethal. A chilling feature of the suicide video left by Mohammad Sidique Khan, the leader of the band that killed more than 50 people in London in July, 2005, was the homely Yorkshire accent in which he told his countrymen that “your” government is at war with “my people”.

    For a while America seemed less vulnerable than Europe to home-grown jihadism. The Pew Research Centre reported three years ago that most Muslim Americans were “largely assimilated, happy with their lives… and decidedly American in their outlook, values and attitudes.” Since then it has become clear that American Muslims can be converted to terrorism too. Nidal Malik Hassan, born in America and an army major, killed 13 of his comrades in a shooting spree at Fort Hood. Faisal Shahzad, a legal immigrant, tried to set off a car bomb in Times Square. But something about America—the fact that it is a nation of immigrants, perhaps, or its greater religiosity, or the separation of church and state, or the opportunities to rise—still seems to make it an easier place than Europe for Muslims to feel accepted and at home.

    It was in part to preserve this feeling that George Bush repeated like a scratched gramophone record that Americans were at war with the terrorists who had attacked them on 9/11, not at war with Islam. Barack Obama has followed suit: the White House national security strategy published in May says that one way to guard against radicalisation at home is to stress that “diversity is part of our strength—not a source of division or insecurity.” This is hardly rocket science. America is plainly safer if its Muslims feel part of “us” and not, like Mohammad Sidique Khan, part of “them”. And that means reminding Americans of the difference—a real one, by the way, not one fabricated for the purposes of political correctness—between Islam, a religion with a billion adherents, and al-Qaeda, a terrorist outfit that claims to speak in Islam’s name but has absolutely no right or mandate to do so.

    Why would any responsible American politician want to erase that vital distinction? Good question. Ask Sarah Palin, or Newt Gingrich, or the many others who have lately clambered aboard the offensive campaign to stop Cordoba House, a proposed community centre and mosque, from being built in New York two blocks from the site of the twin towers. Every single argument put forward for blocking this project leans in some way on the misconceived notion that all Muslims, and Islam itself, share the responsibility for, or are tainted by, the atrocities of 9/11.

    In a tweet last month from Alaska, Ms Palin called on “peaceful Muslims” to “refudiate” the “ground-zero mosque” because it would “stab” American hearts. But why should it? Cordoba House is not being built by al-Qaeda. To the contrary, it is the brainchild of Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, a well-meaning American cleric who has spent years trying to promote interfaith understanding, not an apostle of religious war like Osama bin Laden. He is modelling his project on New York’s 92nd Street Y, a Jewish community centre that reaches out to other religions. The site was selected in part precisely so that it might heal some of the wounds opened by the felling of the twin towers and all that followed. True, some relatives of 9/11 victims are hurt by the idea of a mosque going up near the site. But that feeling of hurt makes sense only if they too buy the false idea that Muslims in general were perpetrators of the crime. Besides, what about the feelings, and for that matter the rights, of America’s Muslims—some of whom also perished in the atrocity?

    Ms Palin’s argument does at least have one mitigating virtue: it concentrates on the impact the centre might have, without impugning the motives of those who want to build it. The same half-defence can be made of the Anti-Defamation League, a venerable Jewish organisation created to fight anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry. To the dismay of many liberal Jews, the ADL has also urged the centre’s backers to seek another site in order to spare the feelings of families of the 9/11 victims. But at least it concedes that they have every right to build at this site—and that they might (only might, since the ADL hints at vague concerns about their ideology and finances) genuinely have chosen it in order to send a positive message about Islam.


    The Saudi non-sequitur

    No such plea of mitigation can be entered on behalf of Mr Gingrich. The former Republican speaker of the House of Representatives may or may not have presidential pretensions, but he certainly has intellectual ones. That makes it impossible to excuse the mean spirit and scrambled logic of his assertion that “there should be no mosque near ground zero so long as there are no churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia”. Come again? Why hold the rights of Americans who happen to be Muslim hostage to the policy of a foreign country that happens also to be Muslim? To Mr Gingrich, it seems, an American Muslim is a Muslim first and an American second. Al-Qaeda would doubtless concur.

    Mr Gingrich also objects to the centre’s name. Imam Feisal says he chose “Cordoba” in recollection of a time when the rest of Europe had sunk into the Dark Ages but Muslims, Jews and Christians created an oasis of art, culture and science. Mr Gingrich sees only a “deliberate insult”, a reminder of a period when Muslim conquerors ruled Spain. Like Mr bin Laden, Mr Gingrich is apparently still relitigating the victories and defeats of religious wars fought in Europe and the Middle East centuries ago. He should rejoin the modern world, before he does real harm.
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #303 - August 05, 2010, 07:37 PM

    Mosque at Ground Zero: That's Bullshit
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPPxBrtrH1c

    Love it  Cheesy
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #304 - August 05, 2010, 08:12 PM

    Mosque at Ground Zero: That's Bullshit
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPPxBrtrH1c

    That guy is awesome.

     dance
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #305 - August 05, 2010, 08:36 PM

    Mosque at Ground Zero: That's Bullshit
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPPxBrtrH1c


    Pretty good video!
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #306 - August 05, 2010, 08:46 PM

    Mosque at Ground Zero: That's Bullshit
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPPxBrtrH1c


    Fuck DH Afro

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #307 - August 05, 2010, 09:10 PM

    Great video! Afro. But hope the Muslims cherish the good will of people like him and realize how lucky they are to be living in an open society where there's an opportunity for 'bullshit' to be called 'bullshit', no matter where it comes from! Extremism either way is untenable in real life. 'LIVE AND LET LIVE' is the best mantra for the modern world.



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #308 - August 05, 2010, 11:49 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V3j108igUY

    Go Cenk  Afro

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #309 - August 06, 2010, 05:10 AM

    atheist.pk, I am saying you should put up or shut up.

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #310 - August 06, 2010, 05:13 AM

    Fuck DH Afro


    That gobby, quakey-voiced pseudo-radical dickhead again! HE "refutes" nothing but his own strawman arguments.

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #311 - August 06, 2010, 05:24 AM

    atheist.pk, I am saying you should put up or shut up.


    And everyone here is telling you just to shut up.

    That gobby, quakey-voiced pseudo-radical dickhead again! HE "refutes" nothing but his own strawman arguments.


    Different guy, Copernicus. I know all Jews and New Yorkers looks and sound the same to you, but come on-- those two aren't even close.


    fuck you
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #312 - August 06, 2010, 05:26 AM

    Not if I was a American. Why would that concern me?


    Shady non-Americans who believe in sharia are funding an unnecessary mosque named after a historical sharia-ruled state in Spain near the epicenter of an Islamic jihad attack and are lying that this state was some kind of exemplar of interfaith harmony. You see nothing to be concerned about in that? It doesn't suggest to you that all this phraseology designed to appeal to woolly minded liberals isn't just a smokescreen for less laudible motivations?

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #313 - August 06, 2010, 05:31 AM

    unnecessary mosque


     Roll Eyes All mosques are unnecessary. So are all churches. I don't get my panties in a wad everytime one gets built.

    Why don't you stick to supporting state-sanctioned religious discrimination and authoritarian restrictions on free speech, association, and religious exercise in your own damn country, DH? I welcome most visitors to the US, as I think this is a great country and I want people from other places to experience that, but I sure as fuck wouldn't welcome you and hope you stay as far away from our shores as possible.

    fuck you
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #314 - August 06, 2010, 05:32 AM

    Quote from: Q-Man
    And everyone here is telling you just to shut up.


    Q-man, you are not "everyone". Get yourself in perspective. I thought you believed in freedom of speech BTW. Perhaps you would like to go to the relevent thread and reply to my question as to whether you agree with Maya's solution to the Israel "problem".

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #315 - August 06, 2010, 05:34 AM

    Quote from: Q-Man
    Roll Eyes All mosques are unnecessary. So are all churches. I don't get my panties in a wad everytime one gets built.


    So you agree that New York's Muslims are adequately catered for for space in which to grovel to their cube?

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #316 - August 06, 2010, 05:43 AM

    Q-man, you are not "everyone".


    Quite correct.

    Quote
    Get yourself in perspective.


    Back atcha. No one here likes you.

    Quote
    I thought you believed in freedom of speech BTW.


     Cheesy So that means I can never want someone just to shut the fuck up? Once again you prove you have no grasp of the concepts of natural rights. "Freedom of speech" as a natural right, is a right against someone (most commonly the state) denying someone the ability to express his or her opinions-- it DOESN'T mean that an individual has to allow you to express whatever ideas you want on their own property, nor does it mean that an individual can't get frustrated with your dumb shit and just tell you to shut the fuck up.

    Authoritarian, statist idiot. You wouldn't know freedom of speech or natural rights if some guy shouted it into your ear with a bullhorn.

    Quote
    Perhaps you would like to go to the relevent thread and reply to my question as to whether you agree with Maya's solution to the Israel "problem".


    Nah, not interested, and I got no idea what Maya's opinion on the topic is.

    So you agree that New York's Muslims are adequately catered for for space in which to grovel to their cube?


    I don't agree with shit, DH. I don't fucking care. I don't fucking care what stupid superstition someone wants to believe in until such time as it directly and immediately threatens to infringe on my own rights.

    They got a right to build it under the law of nature and under the law of the US. I ain't happy about it, but I'm not gonna get up in arms over it either.

    fuck you
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #317 - August 06, 2010, 05:46 AM

    Don't feed the troll.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #318 - August 06, 2010, 07:25 AM


    That guy's the Middle Eastern Keith Olbermann, lol.
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #319 - August 06, 2010, 10:47 AM

    atheist.pk, I am saying you should put up or shut up.

    Up your's sunshine! You are nothing more than a fucking statistic in the game of life that makes a lot of noise and does fuck all.

    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #320 - August 06, 2010, 11:26 AM

    So you agree that New York's Muslims are adequately catered for for space in which to grovel to their cube?


    No one cares 

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #321 - August 06, 2010, 02:18 PM

    Quote from: DH
    So you agree that New York's Muslims are adequately catered for for space in which to grovel to their cube?


    Quote from: Q-Man
    I don't agree with shit, DH. I don't fucking care.

     

    Strange, you seemed to care an awful lot about Muslims "needs" a few pages back when you wrote:

    Quote
    They are building the mosque/cultural center specifically to cater to Muslims in that area-- I would think particularly those who work on Wall Street and want a place close by to go to. Look, New York's not some little cowtown-- that section of Lower Manhattan (which is a tiny geographical portion of Manhattan, which is, in turn only one of the 5 boroughs), meaning the Financial District/Battery Park/City Hall/Tribeca houses about 80,000 residents, and during the workweek, including commuters, tourists and shit, it's well over 300,000 in the Financial District alone.


    Quote
    How many are in THAT PART of Manhattan? How many can a Muslim trader on Wall Street walk to for prayer during lunch? If even just 1% of the quarter million folks working in that area are observant Muslims, you're talking 2,500 people who are gonna be shit out of luck if they want to do the noontime and/or afternoon prayers at mosque and there's not one in that specific area.


    So at what point after posting these comments did you cease to care about all dem po' liddle ol' Muslames wid noway but NOWAY ta go uv a pray taaaam? BTW "a Muslim trader" on usurous wall street champing at the bit to go to pray to Allah is surely a rather implausible scenario.


    Quote
    They got a right to build it under the law of nature


    The law of nature is the law of the jungle - 'the good old plan, That all shall take who have the power. And all shall keep who can ' - which IS the "law" of Islam. So yeah, according to Islamic notions of legality - they got a "right" to do what the hell Allah says they got a "right" to do - including keeping captive women for sexual gratification.

    Quote
    and under the law of the US.


    Exactly which US law states that murderous transnational cults responible for acts of mass carnage have a "right" to build meeting places financed by shady foreign backers anywhere in the USA? If the Aum wanted to build a branch office near the New York subway would they have a "legal right" to do so?

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #322 - August 06, 2010, 02:21 PM

    Up your's sunshine! You are nothing more than a fucking statistic in the game of life


    I agree. Do you think you are more than that?

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #323 - August 06, 2010, 02:25 PM

    Don't feed the troll.

     Iblis  don't eat that feed, it is caustic to your brain..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #324 - August 06, 2010, 02:31 PM

    Sorry yeez, some of your statements are a little cryptic for me. Could you explain the above? I'm asking Yeez btw folks.

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #325 - August 06, 2010, 02:33 PM

    Sorry yeez, some of your statements are a little cryptic ......

    Sorry DH., that statement is for "Iblis"  and it has to be cryptic secret. When I respond to your post in cryptic that I will explain you in PM..

    lol..  Any way, I haven't read anything here in this 14 pages of thread. So it is hard for me to be clear and not to be cryptic.  What is cooking here??

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #326 - August 06, 2010, 02:36 PM

    Iblis  don't eat that feed, it is caustic to your brain..


    lol You are adorable Yeez.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #327 - August 06, 2010, 02:37 PM

    I agree. Do you think you are more than that?

    Yes.

    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #328 - August 06, 2010, 02:40 PM

    Put it on ignore.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #329 - August 06, 2010, 02:47 PM

    Yes.


    What gave you that idea?

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
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