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  • Re: UK university hosts ?anti-West? week under ?justice' guise
     Reply #60 - November 22, 2010, 09:26 PM


    Yeah, and you don't think your boy Douglas Murray wouldn't attack secular efforts supporting the Palestinian resistance as well?  Roll Eyes He's out to smear and silence any criticism of Israel. And if even one Muslim had a word to say critical of Israel, the people you listen to and sources you get your info from would smear the event as "jihadist"


    You should agree with what he said then, if Murray is seen to attack a secular effort it would undermine his cause in the eyes of many.  He cannot play the jihad card.

    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: UK university hosts ?anti-West? week under ?justice' guise
     Reply #61 - November 22, 2010, 10:03 PM

    Because one has to analyse the impact; why is it that inciting hatred can get a person jailed for example? Exposing their opions is fine until it starts impacting the wider public. Why is it that Zakir Naik was barred entry in the UK as another example?

    Do you not think it is arrogant of you to think that you can see through their propoganda but the average student cannot? surely the best way to counter a faulty argument is to let it be known and for everyone to see its faults rather than censor it and give it the chance to be self-righteously aggravated?

    I agree that there are better ways to raise awareness of terrible situations around the world but then that's all the more reason to let these people speak and their weak position to become known to all isn't it?

  • Re: UK university hosts ?anti-West? week under ?justice' guise
     Reply #62 - November 23, 2010, 01:08 AM

    I do not think it was fair to stop Zakir Naik from speaking and yet allowing the BNP/ EDL to continue. Besides which I think my point above stands - you have to trust adults to be adults and make intelligent decisions or otherwise you have to be honest about it and tell the majority of the world that you think they're not clever enough to make decisions for themselves and so you are going to spoon-feed them.

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: UK university hosts ?anti-West? week under ?justice' guise
     Reply #63 - November 23, 2010, 01:34 AM

    Jesus, I would love one of these events at an open forum like a university.  I could troll that presentation up and down and all around.  It is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo absolutely easy to turn this around on those guys show how liberalism is the only equitable way to judge the situation devoid of stupid religious and sectarian divides.  At the very least dress in a ridiculous outfit and hold up a sign that says my God told me I had to wear this. 

    Freedom of speech doesn't mean being lazy and banning what you don't want to hear.  It means honing your debate, persuasive, and oratory skills and to research your position out firmly so that you can answer any question.  If you can't then you aren't any better than the lazy authoritarians who declare something the truth and then use force to silence those who oppose. 

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: UK university hosts ?anti-West? week under ?justice' guise
     Reply #64 - November 23, 2010, 01:38 AM

    That being said, an event like this isn't the occasion to bitch and moan about Da Mooosllimmms arez takenz over! Its a call to ( oratory) arms. 

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: UK university hosts ?anti-West? week under ?justice' guise
     Reply #65 - November 23, 2010, 08:45 AM

    I do not think it was fair to stop Zakir Naik from speaking and yet allowing the BNP/ EDL to continue.


    Zakir Naik is a foreign national. There is no automatic right for foreign nationals to enter Britain. The BNP / EDL are British. The comparison between them is with far-right Islamic groups comprised of British citizens. They are allowed to congregate and protest and march as they like, within the boundaries of the law.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: UK university hosts ?anti-West? week under ?justice' guise
     Reply #66 - November 23, 2010, 09:38 AM

    You are right Billy, Zakir Naik shouldn't be part of this discussion. However, I would like to know what your answer would be to the question I posed above - do you think students need to be spoonfed information and cannot make intelligent deductions for themselves?

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: UK university hosts ?anti-West? week under ?justice' guise
     Reply #67 - November 23, 2010, 10:07 AM

    Pointing out the real jehadi ideology of those using Israel / Palestine as a front for their lectures isn't spoonfeeding. UK universities have a major problem with Islamic extremists on campuses. This particular lecture involves men who have shilled for Awlaki, the al Qaeda terrorist who has said straight up, kill western citizens. Pointing this out isn't spoonfeeding anything - its responding and unmasking Islamic extremism in all the forms it takes on university campuses.

    Islamists really do ruin life for many students poisoning the atmosphere, intimidating moderate Muslims and non Muslims. Many Islamists who have been involved in terrorist plots have held prominent roles inside university Islamic societies. The alternative scenarios are the EDL or BNP having the same level of activity on campuses as Islamists do, intimidating and bullying non-whites. It simply wouldn't happen.

     

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: UK university hosts ?anti-West? week under ?justice' guise
     Reply #68 - November 23, 2010, 10:36 AM

    I'm not trying to defend a bully here billy, and if they do resort to physical violence then of course it should be stopped. However, why do you think pointing out that these people are violent and full of hatred is the same thing as censoring them? I'm all for you to point out these things and for people that visit these lectures to have a fair view of both sides of the discussion. Do you really think that if these people are allowed to speak and their position is undermined by a rival speaker who points out the flaws in their thinking that the university will be under threat? Or do you not think placing a blanket ban upon such people poses a greater risk to the ethos of what a university is supposed to stand for?

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: UK university hosts ‘anti-West’ week under ‘justice' guise
     Reply #69 - November 23, 2010, 10:47 AM

    I'm not trying to defend a bully here billy, and if they do resort to physical violence then of course it should be stopped. However, why do you think pointing out that these people are violent and full of hatred is the same thing as censoring them? I'm all for you to point out these things and for people that visit these lectures to have a fair view of both sides of the discussion. Do you really think that if these people are allowed to speak and their position is undermined by a rival speaker who points out the flaws in their thinking that the university will be under threat? Or do you not think placing a blanket ban upon such people poses a greater risk to the ethos of what a university is supposed to stand for?


    Z10, what do you do think about the prospect of having these debates involving controversial speakers in front of a broader audience in venues outside universities?

    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: UK university hosts ?anti-West? week under ?justice' guise
     Reply #70 - November 23, 2010, 10:53 AM

    I'm not sure, it's a difficult line to draw and I don't know where it would be fair to draw one. However, I do think that when the audience is students then they should be allowed to hear anything because if you don't trust students to be intelligent then who do you trust?

    I understand that this is difficult because it allows hate speech and I'm not particularly fond of that any more than anyone here but I cannot see a reason to stop adults from having discussions with other adults as long as no physical violence is involved and a free and fair attitude is taken towards the issue at hand.

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: UK university hosts ‘anti-West’ week under ‘justice' guise
     Reply #71 - November 23, 2010, 11:00 AM

    Do you guys know about the muslims who are to speak there?
    I mean if the article does the same level of justice to them as it does Finkelstein, then it's fair to say we don't know anything.
    Otherwise it's frightening how paranoia gets a grip on Israel. I mean even this newspaper that used to be serious, it's a god damn rag.  
  • Re: UK university hosts ?anti-West? week under ?justice' guise
     Reply #72 - November 23, 2010, 11:10 AM

    I'm not trying to defend a bully here billy, and if they do resort to physical violence then of course it should be stopped. However, why do you think pointing out that these people are violent and full of hatred is the same thing as censoring them? I'm all for you to point out these things and for people that visit these lectures to have a fair view of both sides of the discussion. Do you really think that if these people are allowed to speak and their position is undermined by a rival speaker who points out the flaws in their thinking that the university will be under threat? Or do you not think placing a blanket ban upon such people poses a greater risk to the ethos of what a university is supposed to stand for?


    The National Union of Students in the UK has a no platform policy on two organisations as far as I know - the BNP and Hizb ut Tahrir. The BNP one is more or less irrelevant, because they have virtually no organised presence at student level. Hizb ut Tahrir are / were very active on campuses. Since they've been effectively banned, they have transmorphed into various front organisations, and as shown here, it is the norm to invite those who have supported in the past terrorists like Awlaki and other jehadis to universities to preach.

    Islamist intimidation is rife in some campuses. The ground reality is that Islamist activity degrades university life, intimidates non Muslims and Muslim moderates. These are the contexts in which Islamic extremists on campus have to be confronted and scrutinised. I am glad that there are people taking them to task.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: UK university hosts ?anti-West? week under ?justice' guise
     Reply #73 - November 23, 2010, 11:26 AM

    Jesus, I would love one of these events at an open forum like a university.  I could troll that presentation up and down and all around.  It is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo absolutely easy to turn this around on those guys show how liberalism is the only equitable way to judge the situation devoid of stupid religious and sectarian divides.  At the very least dress in a ridiculous outfit and hold up a sign that says my God told me I had to wear this. 

    Freedom of speech doesn't mean being lazy and banning what you don't want to hear.  It means honing your debate, persuasive, and oratory skills and to research your position out firmly so that you can answer any question.  If you can't then you aren't any better than the lazy authoritarians who declare something the truth and then use force to silence those who oppose. 


    This

    fuck you
  • Re: UK university hosts ?anti-West? week under ?justice' guise
     Reply #74 - November 23, 2010, 02:35 PM

    if i end up going to one of the unis where these cunts are active i will tear them a new asshole

    now you know why i have this nick
  • Re: UK university hosts ?anti-West? week under ?justice' guise
     Reply #75 - November 23, 2010, 10:07 PM

    I see where you are coming from z10, but I think there are too many being radicalized as it is. Susceptible minds require protection.
  • Re: UK university hosts ‘anti-West’ week under ‘justice' guise
     Reply #76 - November 23, 2010, 10:31 PM

    Susceptible minds require protection.


    Absolutely. The state must shield people's minds from wrong thoughts.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGHzOJlC6eo

    No wonder you supported Germany in the World Cup.

    fuck you
  • Re: UK university hosts ‘anti-West’ week under ‘justice' guise
     Reply #77 - November 23, 2010, 10:46 PM

    No wonder you supported Germany in the World Cup.


    Well, it's certainly why I supported Germany in the World Cup.  dance
  • Re: UK university hosts ‘anti-West’ week under ‘justice' guise
     Reply #78 - November 23, 2010, 10:47 PM

    Q-man: what do you want, unlimited freedom of speech with the possibility of another 7/7 or limited FOS and less of a possibility of 7/7? I would love for people to be clever and with enough humility and with the ability to cope with freedom of speech, my estimations however are that a fair few are too naive, too self-centred, too arrogant, too emotionally run, too much of a "victim" to deal with it.
  • Re: UK university hosts ‘anti-West’ week under ‘justice' guise
     Reply #79 - November 23, 2010, 10:58 PM

    Oh geez, Lilyesque-- talk about a false dichotomy.

    First off, regardless of how much freedom of speech is disallowed, acts of terrorism are always a risk. You think limiting freedom of speech will change this?

    Second, would I support freedom of speech even in the event it indirectly endangered security? You're goddamn skippy I would. It's easy enough to support "freedom of speech" and other natural rights in the absence of any negative consequences. Someone who is willing to trade freedom of speech or other rights for security never really valued these rights to begin with.

    "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
    --Benjamin Franklin

    Lilyesque, Lassan and HighOctane-- I expect none of you will EVER again bitch about "freedom of speech" or denial of other freedoms, because your commitment to such freedoms is shallow indeed, and only exists so long as it protects ideas you agree with and does not have the potential to create negative consequences. Again, Lilyesque, your willingness to sacrifice controversial opinions at the altar of security only betrays your lack of understanding about what "freedom of speech" is really about-- non-controversial speech doesn't need protection.

    fuck you
  • Re: UK university hosts ‘anti-West’ week under ‘justice' guise
     Reply #80 - November 23, 2010, 11:00 PM

    Q-man: what do you want, unlimited freedom of speech with the possibility of another 7/7 or limited FOS and less of a possibility of 7/7? I would love for people to be clever and with enough humility and with the ability to cope with freedom of speech, my estimations however are that a fair few are too naive, too self-centred, too arrogant, too emotionally run, too much of a "victim" to deal with it.


    They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.


    I'll take my chances if the alternative is giving up freedoms and expanding the power of the State. Restricting it achieves nothing.

    Edit: Q got in there before me  Grin

    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: UK university hosts ‘anti-West’ week under ‘justice' guise
     Reply #81 - November 23, 2010, 11:01 PM

    Jinx, buy me a coke.

    fuck you
  • Re: UK university hosts ‘anti-West’ week under ‘justice' guise
     Reply #82 - November 23, 2010, 11:07 PM

    Jinx, buy me a coke.


    LOL, deal. Great minds think alike   bunny

    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: UK university hosts ‘anti-West’ week under ‘justice' guise
     Reply #83 - November 23, 2010, 11:36 PM

    This is all part of a long standing issue stretching back over a decade, the extent to which far-right Islamists who promote violent jehadi ideology and promote speakers and organisations who do the same should go unchallenged on university campuses in the UK. For a long, long time, they were not challenged and so operated a kind of tyranny of fear and intimidation, often because Universities were too frightened to challenge them, largely it has to be said for fear of being accused of being Islamophobic. There then followed a series of cumulative events that brought the issue to the boil; for example when various Islamic society activists were arrested for terrorist offences. The incidents of intimidation and bullying became too frequent for even the most supine of university authorities to ignore.

     And now, people ask questions like, should a university welcome organisations who have in the past affiliated themselves with people like Anwar al Awlaki to preach inside their halls? Note, the National Union of Students has had a no platform policy towards Hizb ut Tahrir for a few years now. Its less a question of freedom of speech, than a question over whether clerical fascists, extreme right-wing Islamists who foment fear and hatred on campus, and jehadis and apologists for jehadis being allowed to use the public / private space of a university hall to preach their hatreds.

    The nature of student life is such that there is not any organised far-right white supremacist groupings active on university campuses. Imagine though, that white supremacists had for the last two decades in various degrees, campaigned organised activism that intimidated non-white students, invited Neo Nazi and Aryan Supremacist speakers to render apologia for violence carried out in various scenarios for the cause of the white race, enagaged in race baiting of non white students, used various trigger issues and legitimate causes as fronts in debates to assert an agenda of white racial superiority, and create an atmospherics conducive to their divisional politics, that frightened and bullied non white students and white students that didn't agree with them - but even further than that, former and active leaders of various 'White Student Societies' were arrested and involved in actual plots of terrorism and violence......well I feel sure that an issue would arise at some point about confronting this activism and ideology.

    That, more or less, is exactly what has been happening over the last ten to fifteen years in British universities, and its a good thing that questions are now being asked, when far-right Islamist organisations invite and give a platform to individuals and organisations who shilled for Anwar al Awlaki.

    Freedom of speech is not being curtailed when an institution asserts the freedom of people to protect their students from religious / racial bullying, intimidation, and disallowing the propagation of jehadi / hate ideology on its premises. This is pretty much the stance of the National Union of Students, with its no platform policy on Hizb ut Tahrir; Hizb's constant reincarnations on university campuses just keeps bringing the problem back. Most importantly though, pointing out the insidious and real ideology being preached by these organisations, is not in itself a restriction upon them - it is a vital and important statement against this dogma.





    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: UK university hosts ‘anti-West’ week under ‘justice' guise
     Reply #84 - November 23, 2010, 11:51 PM

    billy:

    1. You seem to conflate "challenging" Islamists with demanding censorship.

    2. This ain't about any of that. It's about pro-Israel people like Murray trying to shut down an anti-Israel conference, plain and fuckin simple.

    3. Ain't my fault British students are too fuckin pussy to stand up to the Islamists directly, and instead demand the state intervene on their behalf.

    fuck you
  • Re: UK university hosts ?anti-West? week under ?justice' guise
     Reply #85 - November 24, 2010, 12:00 AM

    Quote
    1. You seem to conflate "challenging" Islamists with demanding censorship.


    No, thats not what I'm doing.

    Remember, kicking someone with a loudspeaker off your front garden is not the same thing as censoring them.


    Quote
    2. This ain't about any of that. It's about pro-Israel people like Murray trying to shut down an anti-Israel conference, plain and fuckin simple.

     


    No, its not that plain and simple. I've explained above why.


    Quote
    3. Ain't my fault British students are too fuckin pussy to stand up to the Islamists directly, and instead demand the state intervene on their behalf.


    Well, more and more British students are standing up to it. You can see this in various ways. One of the most recent examples being what happened at City University, when Islamic extremists in the ISOC were challenged both by non Muslim and Muslim students. And as  I said, the National Union of Students have already decided that various Islamist groups should not be allowed a platform on their premises.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: UK university hosts ‘anti-West’ week under ‘justice' guise
     Reply #86 - November 24, 2010, 12:05 AM

    Ok

    fuck you
  • Re: UK university hosts ?anti-West? week under ?justice' guise
     Reply #87 - November 24, 2010, 12:10 AM


    By the way, I do find these words by HO to be deeply problematic in their own right.

    Susceptible minds require protection.


    Not least of all because it doesn't address the issue at play here, but mostly because, well, they are just so loaded.



    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: UK university hosts ?anti-West? week under ?justice' guise
     Reply #88 - November 24, 2010, 12:16 AM


    Here's an article from March about what has been going on at City University in London, linking it into the wider issues. Note the issue of how Islamic extremism has flourished because it has traditionally been a taboo subject for the chancellors and authorities at universities. This led to it not being challenged and it just got worse and worse.

    +++++++

    Rosie Waterhouse: Universities must take action on Muslim extremism


    Thursday, 18 March 2010


    One cold lunchtime at City University London, 100 male Muslim students were praying in rows on the ground. Above on a balcony, a dozen female Muslim students, dressed in black and wearing the niqab – a veil covering their face apart from their eyes – handed out leaflets. These said they were demonstrating because the university had allocated a "multi-faith" space as their new prayer room. "It is impermissible for Muslims to offer prayers in a place where other than our Lord, Allah, is worshipped", it said.


    The site of their prayer room was changed late last year after a group of Muslim students was attacked by local youths, in what police said was a racist incident after leaving their former prayer room. The lunchtime protest was the latest in a series of events staged by City's Islamic Society in the past year which has brought them into conflict with university authorities.

    In April 2009, organisers invited three radical Islamist preachers to address the society's annual dinner, with the "brothers" and "sisters" segregated, and the latter forbidden to ask questions. One preacher, Anwar al-Awlaki , was to speak by video-link from Yemen, because he is banned from Britain for alleged links to terrorists. But the then vice-chancellor Malcolm Gilles intervened and the video-link was banned.

    After this I met Gillies to say I was concerned about the activities of the Islamic Society. Several research papers and Ed Husein's alarming book, The Islamist suggested that certain British universities, including City, were potential recruiting grounds for violent extremists. We agreed this was a sensitive subject but I argued that it was time universities took action. Gillies, who has since moved to London Metropolitan University, said there were two taboo topics among vice-chancellors – Islamic extremism and pensions.

    My anxiety continued. I was particularly disturbed by the sight of Muslim female students wearing the niqab, a dress statement I find offensive and threatening. Don't they value the rights and freedoms they enjoy in Britain? In Taliban strongholds in Afghanistan they are forced to cover up and denied an education.

    One of my journalism students, who is a Muslim woman, interviewed four British-born Muslim girls who said they began to wear the niqab only after coming to City and joining the Islamic Society. They found it "liberating", they said.

    I think the niqab should be banned at university. Some of my colleagues agree with me; others don't. But the issue should be debated. Should universities be more vigilant in monitoring Islamic societies and the literature they disseminate? Some of the material contains extremist ideology, at worst promoting "jihad", variously translated as personal struggle and holy war, at best advocating total separation from the "kufir"– non-believers or infidels – and effectively promoting religious hatred, now a criminal offence in English law.

    City's Islamic Society website has links to blogs from known extremists including Awlaki. He encourages all Muslims to support "jihad" including fundraising for and joining Mujahideen fighters. A US citizen, Awlaki preached at American mosques attended by three of the 11 September hijackers.

    Vice-chancellors have been reluctant to act, but concern is growing. A planned Islamic Society event at UCL in November 2009 was banned on the somewhat spurious grounds of health and safety. In late December it emerged that Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, arrested on Christmas Day for the attempted bombing of an aircraft on a flight to Detroit from Amsterdam, was a former president of UCL's Islamic Society.

    Last month City's acting vice-chancellor Professor Julius Weinberg talked to staff and students about debate in universities. In the interests of free speech people with whom you profoundly disagree should be allowed to speak, Weinberg said, but he would not allow gender segregation or anyone to speak who advocated violence.

     "There are people we would ban," said Weinberg. "People who were calling for behaviours that are outside the law." Where do we go from here? It will be a brave vice-chancellor who confronts the issue. But at least we have started a debate at City.

    The writer is the director of the MA in investigative journalism at City University London.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/higher/rosie-waterhouse-universities-must-take-action-on-muslim-extremism-1922730.html

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: UK university hosts ?anti-West? week under ?justice' guise
     Reply #89 - November 24, 2010, 07:39 PM

    Nice long post there billy, you do take your time in explaining things - something I really should do more of!

    By the way, I do find these words by HO to be deeply problematic in their own right.
    Not least of all because it doesn't address the issue at play here, but mostly because, well, they are just so loaded.


    Hah - I simplified way too much. But I still stand by it. Human minds are very susceptible. Intelligent humans minds are also susceptible. I do not think it is just coincidence that British University taught, very bright (in terms of IQ) mind can end up becoming radicalized. We know radicalization is wrong either by the EDL or Hizb ut Tahrir. We know what they are as a meme and it should not be promoted.

    The key difference with Islam is that we know how brainwashing it is as a religion compared to the other mainstream ones. For this reason, I believe it is not just coincidence that radicalization and Islam correlate so strongly. Even I hated Jews as a Muslim. There are layers and layers of mind indoctrination going on, false-grievances being a major one.

    Now, given the number of moderate Muslims at high class Unis in Britain - I'd rather protect those minds from the radicalizing promotion of Islamism.

    We protect minds of the general public by urging them to not drink to much, we urge them not to drink and drive, we protect young minds from violence on TV & cinemas and we protect minds from hate speech that may make others take action on it.

    And btw, in most cases there already are laws to prevent the radicalization going on at University ISOCs - new laws are needed - but time and again, the spine for taking action is missing.
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