I cannot see how you would champion such a world where your "war" is about who can mass-indoctrinate the highest number of people.
The word indoctrinate is a pretty strong one. Developed memes (or Western memes – but hey Japan, Hong Kong or S. Korea aren’t in the West) are naturally what I think people would tend to, it is what moderate Muslims are tending to, because it doesn’t need indoctrination to enforce it – they are natural ideas that allow people to live healthier, loving, successful lives. On the other hand, your Islamic memes require a good level of indoctrination: 5 times a day prayer, surahs, false “sacredness”, false grievances, Us Vs Them mentality, etc. because given the choice without the indoctrination, the memeplex wouldn’t last long. Put it this way: I’ve noticed a striking correlation between moderate or cultural Muslims who are far more likely to adopt developed values and lifystyle and desire the greater there parents are less strict with their upbringing. This happeneds not only in the West or Far East, but also in countries like India and Bangladesh.
AND YOU BEST SHUT YOUR SORRY FUCKIN TRAP ABOUT ME BEING A RELATIVIST, BECAUSE THAT'S A GODDAMN BALD-FACED LIE, LIKE HALF THE SHIT THAT COMES FROM YOUR KEYBOARD.
Wait a sec … let me get this straight … you preach freedom of speech; you want University students to have the right to promote jihadist propaganda – and here you are
threatening me to assert my thoughts on your thinking process? Low ... very low ...
You're nothing but a fuckin liar and a mindless supporter of government oppression, and I despise both.
Cogdis right there mate. Unable to get it, so you resort to accusing me of being a liar - oh how new! If I’m such a supporter of government oppression Q-Man, why do I march down the streets of London and towards the Iranian embassy raising public awareness about what’s happening in Iran?
Even if you meant well in doing it, you'd just be making things worse if you started banning stuff left, right and centre.
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I think the kind of short-sightedness that you (and those who would resort to similar methods) have is unhelpful, and ultimately and inevitably, counter-productive.
Is that why Atatürk did so well? Please explain, I am absolutely all ears.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Kemal_Atat%C3%BCrkLet's indoctrinate people with our ideals because we KNOW we're better! Don't let those people come to their own conclusions independently but CRUSH all other 'inferior' ideals!
Man, I really don’t know if it’s just my blunt demeanour (which I admit requires improvement) but there is a big difference between banning the things I’ve suggested and “crushing” or “indoctrinating out” the entire Islamic memeplex.
The indoctrination issue I’ve explained above. As to “crushing” by banning, well, let’s take a look at how memeplexes would affect Muslims in relation to the bans, in my opinion:
- banning minarets would not cause extremism. Evidence here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minaret_controversy_in_Switzerland- banning Zakir Naik or revolting programmes on PeaceTV doesn’t cause backlash. There is no in built mechanism to anger Muslims over this. If you want to make them angry, show images of Jews killing Palestinians to trigger a good dose of false grievance, or go burn the Quran publically to strike the artificial offence chord that’s in built.
- banning ISOCs at specific Universities where there have been issues would not cause extremism backlash: if anything, your extremism is CAUSED by the networking OPPORTUNITIES and BREEDING GROUNDS at ISOCs such as the wannabe Detroit bomber.
- banning Sharia Law or the Burka will not cause extremism: the beauty about moderate Muslims, and the best reasons for these types of bans would work is that moderates RESEPCT the law. Moderates and the many migrants come to the UK/Europe/US for ECONOMIC reasons. They want to prosper like the rest of us. As a result, whenever the law runs into
intolerance with Islam, funnily enough forms of
cogdis occurs whereby this is overcome. Take for example alcohol. Alcohol is bad and forbidden. But how many moderates sell it to earn a living, whether via restaurant, as a shop owner or a person at the till? Answer:
MANY OF THEM.
Those of you who think such bans would cause extremism aren’t quite getting it I think. If you really want to cause extremism, you have to strike the following chords:
- false grievances (Israel/Palestine, Iraq/Afghanistan war)
- offending false sacredness (Quran, Allah, Mohammed, halal food)
- using Jews as scapegoats (boy does this one work effectively!)
- insulting anything that divides Muslims within the Us Vs Them mentality (e.g. “The beard you wear is not very pretty” OR “Forcing hunger on your kids during Ramadan is wrong” OR “Ramadan is bad for your health”)
You used to be a level headed guy and your posts were mostly well substantiated; I wish I could say the same for some of your latter posts.
What happened?
Did you become radicalised?
LOL!
Dude, I’ve just learned more and more and have got to the point of becoming pretty misunderstood – except for the people who private message me. I think the problem is my demeanour and also the lack of explanations (because some of the opinions have taken a while to arrive at such as cogdis, Atatürk, relativism, memeplexes, consequentialism and what not). I must sound so arrogant and cocky: sorry, just the lack of EQ.
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