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Reply #60 - December 06, 2010, 05:42 PM

Quote from: IsLame on December 06, 2010, 05:38 PM
Then why dont you just call yourself an agnostic? Its sounds to me like you are looking for certainty, and if i am being honest then thats something you will probably never realise.

Whats wrong with just simply being a good person without a religion, and if God & heaven exist, then believing you will get there? btw thats pretty much how I see things.

because im afraid that if i dont believe in a religion...when the time comes ill rot in hell and thats wat scares me

the concept of hell has always been something i was terrified of as a child...my mum would tell me if i dont pray im not a muslim and then ill go to hell fire

its always been sort of like a chain for me...it kept me from doing alot of the things i really wanted to growing up...i wanted to get my eyebrows done but the punishement for it scared me from doing it(and still today ive never gotten it done)

so ya i feel like if i dont have a religion im destined for hell fire

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Reply #61 - December 06, 2010, 05:43 PM

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser men so full of doubts."
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Reply #62 - December 06, 2010, 05:45 PM

and while I'm at it, here's another one I like

The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact than a drunken man is happier than a sober one.

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Reply #63 - December 06, 2010, 05:46 PM

Religions are famous for programing in fear of hell based on some wild possibility. Here's an amusing clip regarding Pascal's wager that ought to be considered in light of such arguments:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4AXOmPZ6fo&
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Reply #64 - December 06, 2010, 05:53 PM

Quote from: Nessa on December 06, 2010, 05:26 PM
i guess thats one of my fears...that im searching for nothing? i dont wanna waste my life away searching for something that might or might not be there

That's smart! really smart! Yeah! get on with your life.Let the big man/woman/? get in touch with you if IT needs to. In the mean time enjoy life to the fullest! oh! btw a hearty welcome

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Reply #65 - December 06, 2010, 05:53 PM

telememe im almost afraid to watch that video just in case i might agree with it lol

islame thanks for the quotes lol

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Reply #66 - December 06, 2010, 05:55 PM

Quote from: Nessa on December 06, 2010, 05:42 PM
because im afraid that if i dont believe in a religion...when the time comes ill rot in hell and thats wat scares me

the concept of hell has always been something i was terrified of as a child...my mum would tell me if i dont pray im not a muslim and then ill go to hell fire

its always been sort of like a chain for me...it kept me from doing alot of the things i really wanted to growing up...i wanted to get my eyebrows done but the punishement for it scared me from doing it(and still today ive never gotten it done)

so ya i feel like if i dont have a religion im destined for hell fire

Yes, I found that part the hardest thing to shake off too - it took me years before I was comfortable with pronouncing to myself I was as an ex-muslim, and years to then become public about it.

I used to go round picking faults with Islam, and then also deny at the same time I was an ex-muslim

What difficulties do you currently have with Islam, rather than the not listening to prayers thing.. btw have you read the Quranic translation yet, if not, thats the first thing you should do...

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Reply #67 - December 06, 2010, 05:58 PM

Quote from: IsLame on December 06, 2010, 05:55 PM
What difficulties do you currently have with Islam, rather than the not listening to prayers thing.. btw have you read the Quranic translation yet, if not, thats the first thing you should do...

And if that does not work then read the blog in my signature, I am sure that will get you off the fence one way or the other..

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Reply #68 - December 06, 2010, 05:59 PM

Islame...my biggest issue with islam is the treatment of woman

no matter how much it claims to be liberating i dont see it as that

i do find it oppresive...why do us woman have to suffer and cover up just because men cant keep their hormons to themselves?

we shouldnt have to suffer for the weaknesses of men

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Reply #69 - December 06, 2010, 06:00 PM

Nessa, and how many times did you fear hell AS a believer? Even AS a believer,
both in islam AND christianity, you can still wind up in eternal damnation. So,
instead of being worried sick about it (like I did for wayyy too many years),
allow yourself to research, question, both seriously, and enjoy a laugh along
the way, and when the time is right, make your choices. You are not going
to be "damned" for having a need to know anything As an old american
expression goes, "don't forget to stop and smell the roses along your way"

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Reply #70 - December 06, 2010, 06:04 PM

I just saw this video today. I think it's a good summary of some of the effects indoctrination can have on someone:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Eam-z1bwrk
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Reply #71 - December 06, 2010, 06:06 PM

Jinn and Tonic

hell was always something that was thrown at me growing up every time i did something wrong

so i guess ive always feared eternal damnation

ever since i was a kid i wanted a dog...but i was told if i got a dog angels wont come into my house..but shaitan will and ill go to hell

i still want a dog tho i dont care

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Reply #72 - December 06, 2010, 06:21 PM

Quote from: XxThaminaxX on December 06, 2010, 03:57 PM
I know it is. When I said "Its 1 thing believing a 2000+ yr old man will return to earth" I was referring to the Islamic view of the 2nd coming.

I do realise that. I was simply stating that such comparisons are pointless; a pissing contest essentially.

Quote from: Nessa on December 06, 2010, 03:10 PM
recently ive started looking into christanity...but seriously its soo confusing i dont even know where to start:S

Hi Nessa.

I think that its great that you are interested in Christianity - as long as you are willing to be honest to yourself and go all the way in your enquiry.

I gather that you are familiar with the concept of trinity?

God, son and the holy spirit that are one.

Jesus died on the cross.

Do you understand the implications of that?

Btw if you fancy the idea of "a crucified 2000+ yr old zombie" than I suggest buying a shotgun and aiming for the head.
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Reply #73 - December 06, 2010, 06:26 PM

Quote from: Telomeme on December 06, 2010, 06:04 PM
I just saw this video today. I think it's a good summary of some of the effects indoctrination can have on someone:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Eam-z1bwrk

bravo!!! Outstanding learnin'

Yes, Nessa, I know EXACTLY what you are experiencing.
Do you ever have the opportunity to watch animal planet?
Animals are amazing creatures AND companions! Even
furry black puppies that will love you unconditionally, and
loyally their entire life if you treat them right

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Reply #74 - December 06, 2010, 06:30 PM

Nessa, no worries. No matter what you ultimately choose, I will walk with you.
And while xianity didn't work for me, I would never say it doesn't work for
someone else. But no rush on anything, right now. Just know you have
people here who REALLY care about you, and concerned for your well
being

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Reply #75 - December 06, 2010, 06:54 PM

Here's one last video to throw in here. This from Ayaan Hirsi Ali who, at one point, was a part of the Canadian Somali community:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnOhgKqnOxA
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Reply #76 - December 06, 2010, 07:00 PM

i dont like ayan hirsi

my whole thing with religion is be respectful of others religions even if u dont agree with it...i dont agree with judaism but i would never say anything negative and derogatory of it...i no longer agree with islam but i respect it because my family practice it

ayan hirsi at first denounced her faith which is totally fine but then i think she went too far calling names and stuff...its childish and stupid

i understand shes not a muslim and is bitter towards what islam teaches(as am i) but when you leave the religion have some respect and not make fun of it ya know??

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Reply #77 - December 06, 2010, 07:03 PM

expect to see a lot of name calling in here lol. But it is amongst ourselves,
and perhaps to a degree part of the separation process or stage (like processing a
death of a loved one).

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Reply #78 - December 06, 2010, 07:03 PM

Quote from: Kenan on December 06, 2010, 06:21 PM
I do realise that. I was simply stating that such comparisons are pointless; a pissing contest essentially.
Hi Nessa.

I think that its great that you are interested in Christianity - as long as you are willing to be honest to yourself and go all the way in your enquiry.

I gather that you are familiar with the concept of trinity?

God, son and the holy spirit that are one.

Jesus died on the cross.

Do you understand the implications of that?

Btw if you fancy the idea of "a crucified 2000+ yr old zombie" than I suggest buying a shotgun and aiming for the head.

the trinity has been a hard thing for me to understand...however my belief sort of coincides with the unitarian universial associations belief

i still dont know much about christianity...its only something i just recently started looking into so i still got alot more to learn before i can say if i agree with it or not

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Reply #79 - December 06, 2010, 07:05 PM

Quote from: Prince Spinoza on December 06, 2010, 05:42 PM
I think once you undersatnd and accept evolution, you'll see that a lot of the traits you think God would have, cannot be, or at least are very probably not, a part of him.

sorry i missed this post!

i shall look more into evolution...lol if i have any questions ill be sure to come to ya!

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Reply #80 - December 06, 2010, 07:06 PM

Quote from: hypocrucifier on December 06, 2010, 05:53 PM
That's smart! really smart! Yeah! get on with your life.Let the big man/woman/? get in touch with you if IT needs to. In the mean time enjoy life to the fullest! oh! btw a hearty welcome

lol but then what if there is a god and if i dont find him i go to hell??

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Reply #81 - December 06, 2010, 07:07 PM

Quote from: IsLame on December 06, 2010, 05:58 PM
And if that does not work then read the blog in my signature, I am sure that will get you off the fence one way or the other..

lol but what if its my own that stinks?

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Reply #82 - December 06, 2010, 07:08 PM

Quote from: Jinn and Tonic on December 06, 2010, 06:26 PM
bravo!!! Outstanding learnin'

Yes, Nessa, I know EXACTLY what you are experiencing.
Do you ever have the opportunity to watch animal planet?
Animals are amazing creatures AND companions! Even
furry black puppies that will love you unconditionally, and
loyally their entire life if you treat them right

nope dont really get much time to watch animal planet...plus we dont have it on our cable so id have to put it in(which is extra money that i dont have to spare lol)

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Reply #83 - December 06, 2010, 07:09 PM

Welcome, Nessa.

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Reply #84 - December 06, 2010, 07:09 PM

Quote from: Nessa on December 06, 2010, 07:00 PM
i dont like ayan hirsi

my whole thing with religion is be respectful of others religions even if u dont agree with it...i dont agree with judaism but i would never say anything negative and derogatory of it...i no longer agree with islam but i respect it because my family practice it

ayan hirsi at first denounced her faith which is totally fine but then i think she went too far calling names and stuff...its childish and stupid

i understand shes not a muslim and is bitter towards what islam teaches(as am i) but when you leave the religion have some respect and not make fun of it ya know??

Isn't it like the Muslims getting a taste of their own medicine though!
They go into obscene orgasms over their trophies! It's sickening!

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Reply #85 - December 06, 2010, 07:09 PM

Quote from: Jinn and Tonic on December 06, 2010, 07:03 PM
expect to see a lot of name calling in here lol. But it is amongst ourselves,
and perhaps to a degree part of the separation process or stage (like processing a
death of a loved one).

lol ya ive already seen some:p

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Reply #86 - December 06, 2010, 07:10 PM

Quote from: Nessa on December 06, 2010, 07:06 PM
lol but then what if there is a god and if i dont find him i go to hell??

There is no hell. Its a construct that has been conceived and perpetuated to terrify you into submission to the writ of Islam and the men who control you.

Enjoy your life. Hell will be if you do not fulfill your individual soul in this lifetime.

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Reply #87 - December 06, 2010, 07:10 PM

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Isn't it like the Muslims getting a taste of their own medicine though!
They go into obscene orgasms over their trophies! It's sickening!

lol i dont agree with them either!!

one thing that has irritated me in islam was the fact that if someone wasnt a "muslim" they were Kuffar and so should be treated like dirt....like wtf??

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Reply #88 - December 06, 2010, 07:11 PM

Quote from: billy on December 06, 2010, 07:10 PM
There is no hell. Its a construct that has been conceived and perpetuated to terrify you into submission to the writ of Islam and the men who control you.

Enjoy your life. Hell will be if you do not fulfill your individual soul in this lifetime.

ya but i cant shake off the fact that i have it all wrong and that there is a god and that i need to find him

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Reply #89 - December 06, 2010, 07:13 PM

Quote from: Nessa on December 06, 2010, 07:03 PM
the trinity has been a hard thing for me to understand...however my belief sort of coincides with the unitarian universial associations belief

i still dont know much about christianity...its only something i just recently started looking into so i still got alot more to learn before i can say if i agree with it or not

You don't have to know anything about christianity in order to understand what I have written. All you have to do is apply some logic to it.

If god and son are one and if son died on the cross what does that mean?

Quote from: Nessa on December 06, 2010, 07:06 PM
lol but then what if there is a god and if i dont find him i go to hell??

If this is literally true what does it tell you about the nature of god?
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