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  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #60 - January 03, 2011, 06:38 PM
    Definitions of pedophile on the Web:

        * an adult who is sexually attracted to children
          wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

        * Pedophilia (or paedophilia) is a psychological disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a sexual preference for prepubescent children.World Health Organization, Section F65.4: Paedophilia (online access via ICD-10 site map table of contents)Freund, K. (1981). ...
          en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophile

        * pedophilic - Of, relating, or pertaining to pedophilia
          en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pedophilic

        * pedophilia - A sexual feeling of desire directed towards children in general; Overt sexual acts directed towards children
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        * an adult whose primary sexual interest is in children; some professionals make a differentiation between a pedophile, whose sexual partner of choice is a prepubertal child, and a hebephile, who is aroused by adolescents.
          www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/usermanuals/sexabuse/sexabuseh.cfm

        * a person who prefers sex with children, usually visualizing his/herself as being the same magical age as the child. Most pedophiles are convinced that there is nothing wrong with having sex with children. ...
          naffoundation.org/Definitions.htm


    =========================

    Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
    'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

    Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
    Narrated 'Aisha:
    that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

    Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65
    Narrated 'Aisha:
    that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'

    Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88
    Narrated 'Ursa:
    The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

    Some Muslims claim that it was Abu Bakr who approached Muhammad asking him to marry his daughter. This is of course not true and here is the proof.

    Sahih Bukhari 7.18
    Narrated 'Ursa:
    The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."

    ---------------------------

    I was merely stating facts. Absolutely nothing blasphemous about it.
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  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #61 - January 03, 2011, 06:40 PM
    Ugh. Tact muddy, learn what it is.
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #62 - January 03, 2011, 06:44 PM
    Quote from: whatever on January 03, 2011, 06:25 PM
    man, I shall surely pray for you guys, irrespective of whatever you may go on with this thread...like someone said on another post on sunniforum...that's the best we can do, I think more so after this experience, for you guys….signing out from this council with a very satisfied conscience and stronger belief-system...so thank you guys, for all you have to offer, both on this forum and on the other!!!...and you can go on and on!!



    I find it interesting you highlight the fact one member of this forum said something blasphemous and use him to generalize all Ex Muslims attitudes and yet do not direct your criticism to yourself when you insinuated that many of us left Islam to sate our appetites and you saying that demeans what many of us have gone through to leave Islam. I assure you, if we wanted sex or alcohol. We could have done so still carrying the badge of a Muslim. Many thousands of Muslim youth do so quite happily. The risk of knowing your family will find out and punish you both physically and emotionally or your community will make you an outcast and for our members on this forum living in Muslim countries fearing for their lives. That is the side that many Muslims ignore the reality of

    We did not leave Islam because we wanted physical satisfaction - as it stands I am a virgin and I have no intention of changing that status but simply because to us it does not make sense. We do not believe it in the same way you do not believe in other religions. There is no empirical evidence for me to support any God let alone a personal one. It is as simple as that.

    Thank you for the offer for prayers but is not necessary and will you kindly leave me out of it. I am as secure in my view as you are in yours. I do not need religion or a book telling me how to be a good person and any God which would condemn me to hell for not believing them is not one I wish to follow.
    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #63 - January 03, 2011, 06:49 PM
    Much love for that post.
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
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  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #64 - January 03, 2011, 06:51 PM
    Also, why Quran is NOT written by God?

    Quran 4:34 is a solid evidence that it is written either by a man who has absolutely no sympathy for women's basic human rights or a God who is sexist.

    If there is a God that really exist, I am 10000000% sure that he is not sexist.
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  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #65 - January 03, 2011, 06:54 PM
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    The issue here is not whether the is or isn't god - the issue here is that abrahamic faiths (and their god) are profoundly immoral.

    1. Doing good because of Jannah. Motivation: reward; this is immoral
    2. Doing good because of Jahannam. Motivation: fear; this is immoral too

    3. Doing good for the sake of it. Motivation: because it is the right thing to do; this is the only true moral stance

    The only way to show true respect for God (and hence be truly moral) is to act morally while ignoring god's existence.


    Great punch line brother! Couldn't agree with you more. But it's too much for the bigots to understand!

    Life would be a lot simpler too,without all the Nazi drills to ensure your obeisance to a tyrant in the guise of a GOD.

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    I assure you, if we wanted sex or alcohol. We could have done so still carrying the badge of a Muslim. Many thousands of Muslim youth do so quite happily


    Didn't you know sister, that initially when confronted with this fact they will deny it outright and if they do admit it there's a ready made cop out " It's not Islamic''
    But that's supposed be a typical behaviour of non-Muslims!


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  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #66 - January 03, 2011, 07:01 PM
    Quote from: whatever on January 03, 2011, 06:25 PM
    Moreover, it is to impress Allah swt, our creator and sustainer and a sign of thankfulness and obedience-for-all-the-greatness He has that we do good and refrain from bad...not very far from obedience and thankfulness to a father that a child has for some understanding low-level parallel


    The other parallel is that Allah is an abusive father who makes his children terrified with threats of violence and inculcation of murderous hatred for others who do not submit to his whiphand. In fact, that is the correct parallel.

    The other part speaks to the pathetic, insecure nature of a deity called Allah who supposedly created the unimaginable infinity of the universe and cosmos, yet is so insecure, narcissistic with such an inferiority complex that he requires his ego to be stroked continuously by human drones to make him feel good about himself, with constant lickspittle obeisance. What a petty, pathetic, bloated, insecure egomaniac he is, by your own reckoning.

    Of course, Allah does not exist, and it is only powerful Muslim men, mullahs, imams and their epigones in hock to their writ, who need their patriarchal power structures and self worth and place in the world re-affirming - it is men that need constant stroking and licking and prostration to the abusive father Allah as a proxy for their own wilting power, insecurity and backwardness.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #67 - January 03, 2011, 07:08 PM
    Quote from: deusvult on January 03, 2011, 06:40 PM
    Ugh. Tact muddy, learn what it is.


    +1
    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #68 - January 03, 2011, 07:09 PM
    @Kenan

    Quote
    Why are you being so culturally insensitive Zeb? This is a clear sign of your Islamophobia, Neo-orientalism and your support for European colonialism.


    You got me down to a tee!
  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #69 - January 03, 2011, 07:11 PM
    Quote from: billy on January 03, 2011, 07:01 PM
    The other parallel is that Allah is an abusive father who makes his children terrified with threats of violence and inculcation of murderous hatred for others who do not submit to his whiphand. In fact, that is the correct parallel.

    The other part speaks to the pathetic, insecure nature of a deity called Allah who supposedly created the unimaginable infinity of the universe and cosmos, yet is so insecure, narcissistic with such an inferiority complex that he requires his ego to be stroked continuously by human drones to make him feel good about himself, with constant lickspittle obeisance. What a petty, pathetic, bloated, insecure egomaniac he is, by your own reckoning.

    Of course, Allah does not exist, and it is only powerful Muslim men, mullahs, imams and their epigones in hock to their writ, who need their patriarchal power structures and self worth and place in the world re-affirming - it is men that need constant stroking and licking and prostration to the abusive father Allah as a proxy for their own wilting power, insecurity and backwardness.

    +1 billy


    especially this bit:

    Quote from: billy on January 03, 2011, 07:01 PM
    What a petty, pathetic, bloated, insecure egomaniac he is, by your own reckoning.

    Whatever's interpretation of Islam is deeply offensive towards Allah and hence blasphemous -  he is committing the sins of shirk and taghut and he doesn't even realize it.
  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #70 - January 03, 2011, 07:29 PM
    Quote from: hypocrucifier on January 03, 2011, 06:54 PM
    Didn't you know sister, that initially when confronted with this fact they will deny it outright and if they do admit it there's a ready made cop out " It's not Islamic''
    But that's supposed be a typical behaviour of non-Muslims!


    Islamic or not. It happens. Muslims who deny it have their head buried in the sand.
    There are many people who carry the label of Muslim and live the life of a Non Muslim.

    I suppose to some of them in the SF we could have put up pretences, we could have pretended to be Muslim but act nothing like it however that would not have been fair on neither us or anyone else to live a lie and for how long must we act? Till we die just to appease those Muslims on the forum who would prefer to not face the fact that their religion is not suited to everyone.

    If Muslims religion was just personal faith between the individual and their God, I would have no problem with it. But the issue is that it wishes to infiltrate every aspect and it affects people like us who choose to leave that belief system of our own free will. Many of us have been threatened and would face threats using the same Qu'ran they worship as justification for their actions.

    The reasons for leaving Islam is vast but the unsatisfied questions that I have asked myself every day and the prayers never answered. The stripping of our individuality and for women, our subjugation and the use of Islam to maintain a patriarchal system to suit the Males. I see nothing for me.
    The fact that many on Sunni forum did not even argue back to that one poster who said a member on here ought to be killed for leaving Islam speaks for itself. Under the mask of pretend concern for our souls, many would quite happily stand by and support our deaths for thinking differently. If Allah does exist, surely he doesn't need his worshippers to defend his honour and why would God be insulted by what we mere mortals say
    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #71 - January 03, 2011, 07:29 PM
    Quote from: billy on January 03, 2011, 07:01 PM
    *snip*


    +1  Afro
    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #72 - January 03, 2011, 07:31 PM
    Whatever, ur asking us to study islam well enough and stuff like that, which I think most of us did and r content with what our nuero brain cells concluded. Now the question is actually, did YOU study the books  which u call blasphemous and irrational wel enough. of course no, and the same goes with every other muslim living in a Land of Islamia, cuz I believe most of these books would be banned or burned or etcetra etcetra.
    In order to get a Satanic Verses copy, I had to order it online, which got delayed for 2 weeks, and I had to live through the fear of being busted and being monitored thereafter (childish fears i guess , but what do u expect when u live within a nation who would kill u for loving someone and expressing your fondness to him Huh? )
    <AliIsAli>: in ur sharia law, am i to be killed???
    <ghutlu>: Yes sure sure u should 4 firstly Being Ex muslim
     <ghutlu>:  for leaving ISLAM
     <AliIsAli>: would u kill me if u saw me?
     <ghutlu>: yes surely
     <AliIsAli>: :(
     <ghutlu>: by the way gay is just a mental problem
  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #73 - January 03, 2011, 07:31 PM
    Quote from: whatever on January 03, 2011, 06:25 PM
    coz my interest has atleast diminished having seen some conversations of you guys here...talking of dogmas...man, reading through your threads, you guys yourself are steeped in great dogma...the biggest of them being that thinking of yours that islam is wrong and then evaluating everything about it, without having "honestly" listened to each explanation on the doubts you have


    Knowing that Islam is an abusive, oppressive, supremacist belief system that leads to hatred of others and is a cruel and capricious delusion is not a dogma, any more than identifying any other belief system as being wrong is. Dogma is the brainwashed, unquestioning adherence to rule and writ, unchallenged law and worldview - which could be a dictionary definition of Islam.

    Our worldview is tolerant, egalitarian, non violent, full of compassion - the absolute aniti-thesis of Islam, and the word of Allah.



    Quote
    ....islam also needs a person to be humble, if one doesnt have the broad-mindedness or isnt sharp enough, to understand things...



    No, this is a lie, a falsehood, and an anouncement of bogus modesty that is the opposite of a humble mind.

    Islam requires people to be arrogant, because Islam's claims are arrogant. Its claims of being a total belief system that regulates life, that non Muslims are inferior, that non Muslims are worthy of torture, that non Muslims are like animals and cattle with no intelligence, the hysterical hatred of women inherent in its philosophy, the nonsense that Islam is the one true belief system, that there must be a struggle until Islam has its boot on the throat of all of humanity, is the most arrogant and worthlessly conceited nonsense alive in the world today.

     To suggest that broadmindedness can be adduced to this belief system whose very purpose is to narrow the mind, to cloister the mind, to spread hatred and mistrust of all that does not serve its pompous imperial conceits of itself, is an inversion of truth so large that it beggars belief, but is of a piece with the level of delusion required to be a submitter to this sadistic deity called Allah and his abusive, pitiless power.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #74 - January 03, 2011, 07:39 PM
    lol.. the chicken ran away again in the fear of losing his imaan..  Cheesy

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  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #75 - January 03, 2011, 07:54 PM
    Quote from: whatever on January 02, 2011, 02:59 AM
    can people not come over to sunniforum.com, start a thread with a question and try dealing with the rational responses to their warped-rationality-leading-themselvesp-and-the-other-poor-fools-to-abyss if at all you really are interested in rationality....of course, decency is a pre requisite, which any proper human will respect?

    You call this decency?
    Quote from: whatever on January 02, 2011, 02:59 AM
    ..your avatars, the words you chose et al, show how great a character you guys have...

    In any case I tried to register & post twice with a scientific post.  Each time it says mod waiting approval.

    Sounds like your forum is as tightly censored as other muslim ones.  Ask your mods to show you what I posted- I did it using the username saif rahmaan & saif1.
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  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #76 - January 03, 2011, 07:59 PM
     alot of muslims log in here, and honestly, i got really bored of them (omg I just had a back cramp. So much for a merciful God  Cry it hurts ) I mean r we supposed to hand out a parrot and act super friendly and welcomish to them every time? That's it. I've wasted alot of my life trying to Da vinci code the supposedly For-Dummies-series- easy-to-understand Qur'an and I'm not wasting any more of my youth. Any other I'm-the-newesr-edition-of-prophethood-and I'm friendly muslim guy and my responce to him would be Fuck off bitch  furious and then I'll google GAY PORNO.
    Yes Whatever, GAY PORNO,not the regular, I like it spicy  grin12 .
    And yes whatever  I'm gay. I can almost pass my head through my Window7 and see the disgust and contempt features apearing in ur face.
    If u really think that It is fair for me to be stoned, thrown from a high wall and then burn in hell forever (or maybe God is merciful enough to make it a trillion ?) just bcuz I loved someone, then I'm done with u  rules
    <AliIsAli>: in ur sharia law, am i to be killed???
    <ghutlu>: Yes sure sure u should 4 firstly Being Ex muslim
     <ghutlu>:  for leaving ISLAM
     <AliIsAli>: would u kill me if u saw me?
     <ghutlu>: yes surely
     <AliIsAli>: :(
     <ghutlu>: by the way gay is just a mental problem
  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #77 - January 03, 2011, 08:00 PM
    Quote from: deusvult on January 03, 2011, 06:49 PM
    Much love for that post.

    +1 - Muddy watch & learn.  If you want to convince others of your ideas, there's little point in making them switch off from the beginning.  Particularly if you want others to respect this forum, its people & its ideas.
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  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #78 - January 03, 2011, 08:05 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on January 03, 2011, 07:54 PM
    You call this decency?In any case I tried to register & post twice with a scientific post.  Each time it says mod waiting approval.

    Sounds like your forum is as tightly censored as other muslim ones.  Ask your mods to show you what I posted- I did it using the username saif rahmaan & saif1.

    As sunniforum is tightly censored, might be a good idea if you send us some of your better debaters over here.  Dont worry, we wont censor you & feel free to mock out beliefs as much as you like.  I cant vouch for everyone else here, but my replies will be respectable towards you & your faith. 
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  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #79 - January 03, 2011, 08:08 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on January 03, 2011, 08:00 PM
    +1 - Muddy watch & learn.  If you want to convince others of your ideas, there's little point in making them switch off from the beginning.  Particularly if you want others to respect this forum, its people & its ideas.

    They also need to learn that not all people in the world want to act politically correct. Smiley
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  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #80 - January 03, 2011, 08:42 PM
    Quote from: muddy on January 03, 2011, 08:08 PM
    They also need to learn that not all people in the world want to act politically correct. Smiley

    I know  - they have a lot to learn, & they could start with common decency & fairness.  But as thats too much to expect, we should start with discussing the voracity of the Quran first though before Allah seals their ears Wink
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  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #81 - January 03, 2011, 08:53 PM
    The thing is, if you tell them your points lightly, they would try to create BS reasoning, and your efforts may go to waste. But when you confront them head on, it would leave some lasting impact.
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  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #82 - January 03, 2011, 08:56 PM
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    calling people on sunniforum as dumb asses and nervous wrecks only makes us laugh at you guys more......sad intellectuals lol...its painful that mr muddy's conversation skills have left the others (al-murtad had started off well and it looked a promising discussion atleast) getting banned right away

    We laugh at your blatant censorship and inability to accept criticism of any sort.  Wink

    My thread was pretty reasonable and it still got taken down without any explanation. Why don't some of your best debaters come over here, a place that believes in free speech and has no overbearing censorship.
    19:46   <zizo>: hugs could pimp u into sex

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    well I am neither ex-Muslim nor absolute 100% Non-Muslim.. I am fucking Zebra

  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #83 - January 03, 2011, 08:57 PM
    Quote from: muddy on January 03, 2011, 08:53 PM
    The thing is, if you tell them your points lightly, they would try to create BS reasoning, and your efforts may go to waste. But when you confront them head on, it would leave some lasting impact.

    No, rather than it being an educated & rational choice, the only lasting impact you left is that ex-muslims are crude & have a chip on their shoulder.
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  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #84 - January 03, 2011, 08:59 PM
    Muddy, calling Mo a paedo on a Muslim site is suicide. You know it. Come on.
    19:46   <zizo>: hugs could pimp u into sex

    Quote from: yeezevee
    well I am neither ex-Muslim nor absolute 100% Non-Muslim.. I am fucking Zebra

  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #85 - January 03, 2011, 09:01 PM
    Quote from: GodIsNotGreat on January 03, 2011, 08:56 PM
    We laugh at your blatant censorship and inability to accept criticism of any sort.  Wink

    My thread was pretty reasonable and it still got taken down without any explanation. Why don't some of your best debaters come over here, a place that believes in free speech and has no overbearing censorship.

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  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #86 - January 03, 2011, 09:08 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on January 03, 2011, 08:57 PM
    No, rather than it being an educated & rational choice, the only lasting impact you left is that ex-muslims are crude & have a chip on their shoulder.

    How much better impression were you expecting if I didn't have said that? They had accused me of learning about Islam from Fox news. They accused me of not knowing Fardhs of wudu. Even though I have detailed description of 4 fardh and 3 sunnat items of wudu. (which I learned when I was under 10 years old from a proper mullah)

    Quote from: GodIsNotGreat on January 03, 2011, 08:59 PM
    Muddy, calling Mo a paedo on a Muslim site is suicide. You know it. Come on.

    lol.. I agree.. But I still wanted to test the limits.. Tongue
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  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #87 - January 03, 2011, 09:19 PM
    Quote from: muddy on January 03, 2011, 08:53 PM
    The thing is, if you tell them your points lightly, they would try to create BS reasoning, and your efforts may go to waste. But when you confront them head on, it would leave some lasting impact.

     No.  Without an acceptance of the idea of a conversation of good will the points degrade from personal points of view backed by reasoning and emotional resonance to baseless talking points devoid of emotional emphasis and reasonable discussion.  People tune you out when you come in on a high horse and continue to pound away talking points without responding and adjusting to other people. People want to know that you address their points and take them seriously not be preached to, even by athiests.  That is standard for every persuasive speech you ever give on any topic.

    You may feel justified and most likely are at the treatment you receive from Muslims because of what you believe and your sexual orientation or other past events that I don't know about. I have felt that way before and I am sure that others have too.

    I am reminded of a protest that Martin Luther King did for the sanitation workers.  He didn't spit at or rail at the bigots who threatened these workers, nor did he list the thousands of unjustifiable acts committed against Africans and African Americans.  He simply wore a sign that said " I am a man". In that was all that needed to be said.

    You have anger, good. You want to do something, fine. But browbeating people won't change their mind. Showing them why they should as a "disinterested observer" as Socrates put it will. Defending the rights of homosexuals, of women, of human beings will effect change.
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #88 - January 03, 2011, 09:32 PM
    Quote from: GodIsNotGreat on January 03, 2011, 08:59 PM
    Muddy, calling Mo a paedo on a Muslim site is suicide. You know it. Come on.


    People on SunniForum believe that Allah wrote the Quran, so attributing something to the writer of the Quran is attributing it to Allah.
  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #89 - January 03, 2011, 09:37 PM
    Quote from: deusvult on January 03, 2011, 09:19 PM
    No.  Without an acceptance of the idea of a conversation of good will the points degrade from personal points of view backed by reasoning and emotional resonance to baseless talking points devoid of emotional emphasis and reasonable discussion.  People tune you out when you come in on a high horse and continue to pound away talking points without responding and adjusting to other people. People want to know that you address their points and take them seriously not be preached to, even by athiests.  That is standard for every persuasive speech you ever give on any topic.

    You may feel justified and most likely are at the treatment you receive from Muslims because of what you believe and your sexual orientation or other past events that I don't know about. I have felt that way before and I am sure that others have too.

    I am reminded of a protest that Martin Luther King did for the sanitation workers.  He didn't spit at or rail at the bigots who threatened these workers, nor did he list the thousands of unjustifiable acts committed against Africans and African Americans.  He simply wore a sign that said " I am a man". In that was all that needed to be said.

    You have anger, good. You want to do something, fine. But browbeating people won't change their mind. Showing them why they should as a "disinterested observer" as Socrates put it will. Defending the rights of homosexuals, of women, of human beings will effect change.

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