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  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #90 - February 15, 2012, 12:36 AM

    ^^

    Just that I have read that anorexic/homsexuals/peadophiles all ahve brains that are wired differently, something to do with brain structure - is it not fair to lump them together so to speak, or is that again only in my world.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #91 - February 15, 2012, 12:44 AM

    ^^

    Just that I have read that anorexic/homsexuals/peadophiles all ahve brains that are wired differently, something to do with brain structure - is it not fair to lump them together so to speak, or is that again only in my world.

    OMFG. So if psycho killers and anorexics have brains that are wired differently, that means we can lump them in together, right. FFS. Roll Eyes

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  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #92 - February 15, 2012, 12:47 AM

    I remember reading somewhere that the women who work in the model agancy does have more than it's fair share of female ephebophiles, perhaps it was in a biography of Kate Moss. The operative words being 'fair share'.

    So if we go along this fair share, I put it to you that the fashion world has more than its fair share of gay men. What is the number of gays in society, some would say 10%, i'd think it was more nearer 5%, now I would bet that the fashion world has more than 5% working in it, from top to bottom of the chain.

    Provide reliable statistics to back up all your claims. Tongue

    Regardless of who or what is responsible, it is pretty obvious that the fashion industry as a whole has some fucked up attitudes. Easy way to find out what is responsible: bring in regulations on BMI, see which people freak out about it, put them in padded cells and study them.

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  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #93 - February 15, 2012, 12:49 AM

    ^^

    Just that I have read that anorexic/homsexuals/peadophiles all ahve brains that are wired differently, something to do with brain structure - is it not fair to lump them together so to speak, or is that again only in my world.


    In your world and the world of others that agree with you, yes.

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  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #94 - February 15, 2012, 12:50 AM

    ^^

    Just that I have read that anorexic/homsexuals/peadophiles all ahve brains that are wired differently, something to do with brain structure - is it not fair to lump them together so to speak, or is that again only in my world.

    ur brain is wired differentleh to mine, plz stand over there with the lesbians u pedo
  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #95 - February 15, 2012, 12:58 AM

    Hey, brainwave! Bring in rules for an average BMI for models in any show and set it to the global average for whatever is healthy. That way they can have any models they bloody well like, but if they put Kate Moss up first they have to have Queen Latifah next. Cheesy

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  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #96 - February 15, 2012, 01:10 AM

    Quote
    Provide reliable statistics to back up all your claims


    Lol How do you i propose i do that? I would have thought it was a given that homosexuals are over -represented in the fashion world, some would say thy are over represented in television - The second Family Guy Star Wars spoof kicks off with a pastiche of the rolling backstory titling.

    It begins with and I paraphrase, 'A long, long time ago before the gays were so in your face about it' . Lol

    Anyways I found this site proposing this case

    http://www.femininebeauty.info/what-to-do - but that might be homophobic

    >>>>>>Feminine beauty is underappreciated in contemporary Western culture.  This is easily observed in the looks of high-fashion models, i.e., women having the highest status among female models.  High-fashion models tend to possess multiple masculinized features and are typically skinny, thereby often approximating the looks of adolescent boys,(1, 2) and this negatively influences a number of women.  This site explains the reasons behind the typical looks of high-fashion models.  It also addresses the effects of sex hormones on facial features and the physique for a better understanding of the significance of feminine beauty.  It is hoped that the information provided reduces the use of skinny and masculinized women in advertising and elevates the status of feminine and attractive women<<<<<<

    Also this  http://althouse.blogspot.com/2005/12/why-do-gay-men-dominate-fashion.html

    >>>>>>Michael Vollbracht, the current designer of Bill Blass, said he believes that gay men are demonstrably superior at design, their aesthetic formed by a perception of a woman as an idealized fantasy. "I come from a time when gay men dressed women," Mr. Vollbracht said. "We didn't bed them. Or at least I didn't. I am someone who is really pro-homosexual. I am an elitist. I am better than straight people. Women are confused about who they want to be. I believe that male designers have the fantasy level that women do not."<<<<<<<



     

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #97 - February 15, 2012, 01:23 AM

    Lol How do you i propose i do that?

    Dunno, mate. That's your problem. You made the claim so it's up to you to provide support for it.

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  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #98 - February 15, 2012, 01:23 AM

    OMFG. So if psycho killers and anorexics have brains that are wired differently, that means we can lump them in together, right. FFS. Roll Eyes


    Hmm - you are right lol    

    so pyschopaths/anorexics/homosexuals and peadophiles are born that way - so are saying that they were always were going to be pyschopaths/anorexics/homosexuals/peadophiles or is it that environmental triggers are required to turn their disposition into being present?

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #99 - February 15, 2012, 01:24 AM

    Dunno, mate. That's your problem. You made the claim so it's up to you to provide support for it.


    Read further and I think I did make a start.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #100 - February 15, 2012, 01:27 AM

    o mai gawd ,y u back pedo
  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #101 - February 15, 2012, 01:28 AM

    Gtg - seriously though I am not a homophobe - think the problem of sexualisation of children lies with a highly-sexed men of either persuasion.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #102 - February 15, 2012, 01:35 AM

    Read further and I think I did make a start.

    Yeah but that "feminine beauty" blog is not a good example. The bloke seems obsessed with gays and provides nothing really solid.

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  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #103 - February 15, 2012, 05:54 AM

    What i suggested was If two males or females love each other for a long time and sex plays a role in their life and in their  love life,  then one of them getting an operation will help them to live happily for ever., That is my assumption., I could be wrong., But never I said there should be a forced intervention.


    Okay. Well that is one hell of an assumption, yeezeevee. Are all the straight people you know living happily forever? Because I know lots of straight people who are really fucking miserable. And lots of them tell me all the time they wish they were gay/bi. And I know lots of very happy gay/bi people. And of course, I know happy straight people and unhappy gay/bi people too. What makes you assume that changing a gay person's genitalia via invasive surgery would make them so happy? Where is the evidence that heterosexuality=eternal happiness?

    I would like to see some medical/social statistics on that..


    "There is no published scientific evidence supporting the efficacy of 'reparative therapy' as a treatment to change one's sexual orientation". -American Psychiatric Association's 1997 Fact Sheet on Homosexual and Bisexual Issues.

    Well I can give you lots of research on the things that were done to gay people in the past, and that are still done to them in the North America, in much of the Muslim world and other parts of the world, to "cure" them, to "change" them, to "convert" them. Often, bisexuality is seen as an excuse to dismiss homosexuality. A lot of gay people have suffered and died because the pervading cultures couldn't handle people being openly in gay relationships.

    Look up what happened to Alan Turing, the man responsible for the existence of computers today.

    I know Islam really scars people but you and DA need to pay attention to this: Being gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender is just as mentally healthy, normal and natural as being heterosexual. There is nothing wrong with gay people any more than what is wrong with straight people - what is wrong is how marginalized groups are treated. What may be wrong with individual straight people does not mean it's there in all straight people. Similarly, what may be wrong or bad about some individual LGBT people does not mean it is there in all LGBT people. I really hope that is clear enough.

    Nope you are wrong., I have not done that and I will never say that., In fact I gave an example of these old guys The 50 year old  priests in Churches who act as heterosexuals in the society, preach heterosexuality and going after kids  the so-called alter boys..  


    There is a difference between people who lie to themselves and others, who abuse others, and consenting adults who engage in mutual relationships with other consenting adults. You can't just throw around the Catholic clergy's pederasty whenever the topic of homosexuality comes up... they hate homosexuals more than you. They hate the honesty of someone being openly gay. They are nothing like open, adult LGBT people who live like self aware, responsible human beings who don't fuck children.

    Well they are just abusers and pedophiles., that is nothing to do with their sexual orientation..  Again, May be you are reading my words wrong or I have not worded a post correctly., But I have and had never believed that Homosexuals are Sexual predators and child abusers..


    So when people abuse children of the opposite sex, they are "just abusers and pedophiles". But when people abuse children of the same sex, it's because there is something wrong with consenting adults who are gay or bi?? How come the first kind do not make you think there's something wrong with consenting adults who are straight?

    So again my interest ion this thread  was This female Model Industry where you see these <20 year old models anorexic and underweight walking on those platforms


    Yes yes we all hate the size-0 obsessed media, movies, fashion industry etc. I have written papers about anorexia. You and I are not in disagreement over that. What we are in disagreement over is you making gay people out to be the villains and looking the other way when straight people are culpable.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #104 - February 15, 2012, 06:00 AM

    I concede if you can provide evidence for this.


    Y'know what. You made the first post here blaming gay people. YOU bring your evidence.

    My evidence is the fact that most media, "beauty" and fashion companies are owned and run by straight men. Go look them up if you want.

    Every other part of the media women are more curvier, bigger breasts, have a waist to hip ratio bigger than what we find on the catwalk. Yes straight men don't like them fat but that is far from saying they like them anorexic like they do on the catwalk.


    Guess what. The most average to the most skinniest women think they are all "fat" exactly because of that attitude that most straight men promote. So congratulations on being part of the problem.

    I have been to gay clubs, when my lesbian friend said to me she likes women the same way i like women, I understood. Interesting times, asian gay clubs, london circa late 80's.


    Oh yeah, the old "I'm not racist, I have a black friend" cop out. Never seen that one before.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #105 - February 15, 2012, 06:29 AM

    I got a bit curious about this whole thing so have been looking around online. First thing is that yup, there do seem to be quite a lot of gay blokes in the fashion industry. Doesn't really surprise me, and isn't a big deal in itself.

    If you google up lists of "top 10 fashion designers" this sort of thing is pretty typical. That list has 2 women, one straight man, and 7 gay or bi men. The lists vary, depending on the author's personal opinion about who is greatest, but generally it seems fair to say that there are proportionally more gay men in such lists than there are in the population at large.

    However, the whole trend for skinny models was apparently started by Elsa Schiaparelli, who of course wasn't a gay bloke.

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    While her innovations in fashion design were numerous, it was her creation of the runway show as we know it today that was most influential. Her modern idea of a fashion show included a runway with music and art, and the use of elongated, shapeless women as models.

    She believed that this boyish figure would best display the clothing. Many people do not realize the true sum of her impact on fashion and the fashion industry.

    So, you can't blame it all on gay blokes (which should not be an earth-shattering revelation).

    OTOH, it seems fair to say that the gay blokes who are in the fashion industry are complicit in the push for anorexic models, along with everyone else. Quotes from industry insiders say things like this:

    Quote
    'It's no good,' Sam was saying. 'There's absolutely no point in you doing London Fashion Week. You're gorgeous, you've got the 'wow' factor and photographers love you, but you've put on weight since the summer.

    'It's quite natural - most 16 and 17-year-olds' weight fluctuates because of hormonal changes - but if you're an inch over size 8, you'll be torn to shreds. Those queeny designers and their scouts would make your life hell and it could destroy your confidence.'

    Seeing my crest-fallen daughter, another model stepped in to try to comfort her. 'The fashion world is awful,' she said. 'They all demand size zero models - what they really want is surrogate boys. It's not just the camp male designers. Some of the women are just as hard.

    'However young a girl is, they don't just say "Thanks but no thanks" if they don't want to use you. They're incredibly insulting and personal and can make even very promising models feel utterly worthless.'


    Some models have fought back. Coco Rocha, who is 1.78 metres tall and weighs only 48 kg:

    Quote
    In an open letter to the New York Times, Coco spoke out on her blog about the pressure the fashion industry puts on young models: "How can any person justify an aesthetic that reduces a woman or child to an emaciated skeleton? Is it art? Surely fashion?s aesthetic should enhance and beautify the human form, not destroy it."

    In an email to the Associated Press, she gives an insight into the fashion world, saying: "I'll never forget the piece of advice I got from people in the industry when they saw my new body ... They said, 'You need to lose more weight. The look this year is anorexia. We don't want you to be anorexic but that's what we want you to look like.


    The trend seems to have gotten worse over the last couple of decades.

    Quote
    Curiously, the evidence of model shrinkage was there all along, easy to track. ?In 1986, the standard size was 4 to 6,? Ivan Bart, the creative director of IMG models and arguably the most powerful agent in the business, said on Sunday at the Diane Von Furstenberg show, referring to standard sample sizes. ?Then it was a solid 4. Then 2 to 4. Then zero.?

    When Kate Moss first arrived on the scene she was considered to be tiny. These days they'd probably try to book her as a sumo wrestler.

    We've now reached the point where it seems that a model dies from anorexia roughly every year.

    Ana Carolina Reston - 14 November 2006, fashion model (22)
    Luisel Ramos - 2 August 2006, fashion model (22)
    Eliana Ramos - 13 February 2007, fashion model (18)
    Hila Elmalich - 14 November 2007, fashion model (33)
    Isabelle Caro - 17 November 2010, fashion model, anorexia activist and actress (28)

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  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #106 - February 15, 2012, 06:31 AM

    Guess what. The most average to the most skinniest women think they are all "fat" exactly because of that attitude that most straight men promote. So congratulations on being part of the problem.

    Most women don't like obese men either, and that has nothing to do with the media. It's natural.

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  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #107 - February 15, 2012, 06:36 AM

    Most women don't like obese men either, and that has nothing to do with the media. It's natural.


    LOL. Okay, there is a difference between "fat" which is a subjective opinion and "obese" which is an empirical medical condition (which is rather a debatable area itself). The epithet "fat" is used against women like Kate Winslet, Britney Spears, and many others who dare to be above size zero. There's a difference between what one person considers "fat" and what others do. The issue is that women are sold an ideal that says they can never be not-fat, never be skinny enough, and unfortunately most women buy into it, at least for some part of their lives.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #108 - February 15, 2012, 06:38 AM

    Oh watch out Os, now it's gonna be all women's fault for promoting anorexia, those dumb bitches. You see, when some people of certain marked groups do something stupid, it *must* always reflect upon all of the people of those groups... guilt by association. But when someone from the dominant groups do something stupid, it's only that individual whose problem it is, not the whole groups'.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #109 - February 15, 2012, 06:42 AM

    LOL. Okay, there is a difference between "fat" which is a subjective opinion and "obese" which is an empirical medical condition (which is rather a debatable area itself). The epithet "fat" is used against women like Kate Winslet, Britney Spears, and many others who dare to be above size zero. There's a difference between what one person considers "fat" and what others do. The issue is that women are sold an ideal that says they can never be not-fat, never be skinny enough, and unfortunately most women buy into it, at least for some part of their lives.

    Yeah fair enough. My point was that although DA has been absolutely begging for a kicking, if a woman on the forum said she didn't like fat men you wouldn't call her out for it.

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  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #110 - February 15, 2012, 06:44 AM

    Oh watch out Os, now it's gonna be all women's fault for promoting anorexia, those dumb bitches. You see, when some people of certain marked groups do something stupid, it *must* always reflect upon all of the people of those groups... guilt by association. But when someone from the dominant groups do something stupid, it's only that individual whose problem it is, not the whole groups'.

    Yeah I know all that. Basic logic. Makes perfect sense. yes


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  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #111 - February 15, 2012, 06:45 AM

    Yeah fair enough. My point was that although DA has been absolutely begging for a kicking, if a woman on the forum said she didn't like fat men you wouldn't call her out for it.


    That's speculative, and I might, especially if she was a borderline troll who had a pattern of saying ridiculous things without giving evidence for her obnoxious claims. Besides, anorexia is not prevalent among men (except for gay men). That last point there is telling, isn't it?

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #112 - February 15, 2012, 06:49 AM

    Telling in what way? Media images of skinny females affect anorexia in gay men?

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  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #113 - February 15, 2012, 07:01 AM

    Telling in what way? Media images of skinny females affect anorexia in gay men?


    The research I've done on this topic strongly suggests that it is those people in post-industrialist capitalist societies who aim to attract men that suffer from eating disorders like anorexia and bulimia. That includes straight women and gay men. Those who aimed to attract women i.e. straight men and gay women suffered significantly less from anorexia and bulimia. So... now which demographic shall we blame?

    Here are 3 studies/sources:
    Gettelman, Thomas E., and Thompson, J. Kevin
    1993 Actual Differences and Stereotypical Perceptions in Body Image and Eating Disturbance: A Comparison of Male and Female Heterosexual and Homosexual Samples. Sex Roles 29:(7/8):545-562.


    Stiman, Meaghan, with Patricia Leavy and Ashley Garland
    2009 Heterosexual female and male body image and body concept in the context of attraction ideals. Electronic Journal of Human Sexuality 12:1-17.


    National Association of Anorexia Nervosa and Associated Disorders
    Quote
    General:
    •   Almost 50% of people with eating disorders meet the criteria for depression.1
    •   Only 1 in 10 men and women with eating disorders receive treatment. Only 35% of people that receive treatment for eating disorders get treatment at a specialized facility for eating disorders.2
    •   Up to 24 million people of all ages and genders suffer from an eating disorder (anorexia, bulimia and binge eating disorder) in the U.S.3
    •   Eating disorders have the highest mortality rate of any mental illness.4

    Students:
    •   91% of women surveyed on a college campus had attempted to control their weight through dieting. 22% dieted “often” or “always.”5
    •   86% report onset of eating disorder by age 20; 43% report onset between ages of 16 and 20.6
    •   Anorexia is the third most common chronic illness among adolescents.7
    •   95% of those who have eating disorders are between the ages of 12 and 25.8
    •   25% of college-aged women engage in bingeing and purging as a weight-management technique.3
    •   The mortality rate associated with anorexia nervosa is 12 times higher than the death rate associated with all causes of death for females 15-24 years old.4
    •   Over one-half of teenage girls and nearly one-third of teenage boys use unhealthy weight control behaviors such as skipping meals, fasting, smoking cigarettes, vomiting, and taking laxatives.17
    •   In a survey of 185 female students on a college campus, 58% felt pressure to be a certain weight, and of the 83% that dieted for weight loss, 44% were of normal weight.16

    Men:
    •   An estimated 10-15% of people with anorexia or bulimia are male.9
    •   Men are less likely to seek treatment for eating disorders because of the perception that they are “woman’s diseases.”10
    •   Among gay men, nearly 14% appeared to suffer from bulimia and over 20% appeared to be anorexic.11

    Media, Perception, Dieting:
    •   95% of all dieters will regain their lost weight within 5 years.3
    •   35% of “normal dieters” progress to pathological dieting. Of those, 20-25% progress to partial or full-syndrome eating disorders.5
    •   The body type portrayed in advertising as the ideal is possessed naturally by only 5% of American females.3
    •   47% of girls in 5th-12th grade reported wanting to lose weight because of magazine pictures.12
    •   69% of girls in 5th-12th grade reported that magazine pictures influenced their idea of a perfect body shape.13
    •   42% of 1st-3rd grade girls want to be thinner (Collins, 1991).
    •   81% of 10 year olds are afraid of being fat (Mellin et al., 1991).


    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #114 - February 15, 2012, 07:16 AM

    Ok, this is not directly relevant to modelling, since the pressures there are specific to that industry and aren't really about trying to attract men, but it's still interesting.

    General:
    Almost 50% of people with eating disorders meet the criteria for depression.

    Not at all surprising, because if you think your body is that bad you aren't going to be happy.


    Quote
    Students:

    91% of women surveyed on a college campus had attempted to control their weight through dieting. 22% dieted "often" or "always".
    86% report onset of eating disorder by age 20; 43% report onset between ages of 16 and 20.6

    Is this 86% of those with anorexia later in life, or 86% of all female students?


    Quote
    Over one-half of teenage girls and nearly one-third of teenage boys use unhealthy weight control behaviors such as skipping meals, fasting, smoking cigarettes, vomiting, and taking laxatives.

    Ok, this sort of blows your assertion about people trying to attract men, since one third of adolescent boys aren't gay. Bit of an anomaly there (although not a fatal one given that adolescents are notoriously insecure anyway).


    Quote
    In a survey of 185 female students on a college campus, 58% felt pressure to be a certain weight, and of the 83% that dieted for weight loss, 44% were of normal weight.

    Yup. I always did wonder WTF they were on about with that shit. Most of them are scrumptious.


    Quote
    Men:

    An estimated 10-15% of people with anorexia or bulimia are male.
    Men are less likely to seek treatment for eating disorders because of the perception that they are "woman's diseases".
    Among gay men, nearly 14% appeared to suffer from bulimia and over 20% appeared to be anorexic.

    Ok, numbers here are anomalous as far as your claim goes. 10-15% would be roughly the percentage of gay men out of the entire population, but if only a bit more than 20% of gay men have anorexia then although it may be twice the rate of straight men it's still not "prevalent", and you still have to account for quite a lot of straight men with anorexia too.


    Quote
    Media, Perception, Dieting:

    The body type portrayed in advertising as the ideal is possessed naturally by only 5% of American females.
    47% of girls in 5th-12th grade reported wanting to lose weight because of magazine pictures.
    69% of girls in 5th-12th grade reported that magazine pictures influenced their idea of a perfect body shape.
    42% of 1st-3rd grade girls want to be thinner (Collins, 1991).
    81% of 10 year olds are afraid of being fat (Mellin et al., 1991).

    Not surprising. The body types idolised by modelling are natural for very few people.

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  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #115 - February 15, 2012, 07:28 AM

    I would suggest reading the other 2 pieces too. Very informative.

    Ok, this is not directly relevant to modelling, since the pressures there are specific to that industry and aren't really about trying to attract men, but it's still interesting.


    Those models end up on the covers of fashion magazines and ads that are targeted to women and young girls as the ideals of beauty they need to achieve to attract men. Sure, some women don't buy into that crap, but most do. Hence the phenomenon of (straight) women under almost constant pressure to get skinnier, no matter how "average" or skinny they already empirically are.

    Ok, this sort of blows your assertion about people trying to attract men, since one third of adolescent boys aren't gay. Bit of an anomaly there (although not a fatal one given that adolescents are notoriously insecure anyway).


    You can blow that off to adolescent narcissism... most boys grow out of it, often towards an obsession with building muscle. Most women don't grow out of it, especially since muscles and strength training are also discouraged in women, lest they make them less attractive to men. Women are told from countless sources to be small, thin, frail, weak, and take up less space than men; that is the pervasive ideal of "femininity", as discussed in the EJHS study I also posted.

    Ok, numbers here are anomalous are far as your claim goes. 10-15% would be roughly the percentage of gay men out of the entire population, but if only a bit more than 20% of gay men have anorexia then although it may be twice the rate of straight men it's still not "prevalent", and you still have to account for quite a lot of straight men with anorexia too.


    I don't know where you are getting some of that... twice the rate of straight men? I don't see in this list a breakdown of how many of the men with anorexia are straight and how many are gay. What I see is that 10-15% of anorexics are men, which means 85-90% are women. And 20% of gay men are anorexic, according to this. The other 2 pieces I posted go into a lot more detail about the various demographics.

    Not surprising. The body types idolised by modelling are natural for very few people.


    Yep. And yet it is marketed to all of us and internalized by most of us (especially by straight women).

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  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #116 - February 15, 2012, 07:41 AM

    Those models end up on the covers of fashion magazines and ads that are targeted to women and young girls as the ideals of beauty they need to achieve to attract men. Sure, some women don't buy into that crap, but most do. Hence the phenomenon of (straight) women under almost constant pressure to get skinnier, no matter how "average" or skinny they already empirically are.

    Yes I realise that. What I meant was the results you see in the media are not directly relevant to the pressures on models themselves, since the latter pressures are specific to that industry and are not the result of trying to attract straight men. IOW, we're a bit off topic for the main thread but it's still interesting stuff. Smiley


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    You can blow that off to adolescent narcissism... most boys grow out of it, often towards an obsession with building muscle. Most women don't grow out of it, especially since muscles and strength training are also discouraged in women, lest they make them less attractive to men. Women are told from countless sources to be small, thin, frail, weak, and take up less space than men; that is the pervasive ideal of "femininity", as discussed in the EJHS study I also posted.

    Yes I understand that. I've always thought it was a daft paradigm. I mean petite and cute is all fun stuff, but it's not the only way to go.


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    I don't know where you are getting some of that... twice the rate of straight men? I don't see in this list a breakdown of how many of the men with anorexia are straight and how many are gay. What I see is that 10-15% of anorexics are men, which means 85-90% are women. And 20% of gay men are anorexic, according to this. The other 2 pieces I posted go into a lot more detail about the various demographics.

    I was getting it from rough and basic mental arithmetic. I did misread the figures though. NVM.

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  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #117 - February 15, 2012, 07:44 AM

    I'm just going to post here the citations of some papers and articles.

    Anderson-Fye, Eileen P.
    2004 A “Cocal-Cola” Shape: Cultural Change, Body Image, and Eating Disorders in San Andres, Belize. Culture, Medicine and Psychiatry 28:561-595.

    Becker, Anne E.
    2004 Television, Disordered Eating, and Young Women in Fiji: Negotiating Body Image and Identity During Rapid Social Change. Culture, Medicine and Psychiatry 28:533-559.

    Bergstrom, Rochelle L., with Clayton Neighbors and Melissa A. Lewis
    2004 Do men find “bony” women attractive?: Consequences of misperceiving opposite sex perceptions of attractive body image. Body Image 1:183-191.

    Chassler, Lynda
    1994 "In Hunger I Am King" - Understanding Anorexia Nervosa From a Psychoanalytic Perspective: Theoretical and Clinical Implications. Clinical Social Work Journal 22(3):397-415.

    Eisenberg, Marla E., with Jerica M. Berge, Jayne A. Fulkerson and Dianne Neumark-Sztainer
    2011 Weight comments by family and significant others in young adulthood. Body Image 8:12–19.

    Emmett, Ayala
    1998 Sex and Gender As Raw Political Material: Local Women Negotiate Globalization. Sex Roles 39:(7/8):503-513.

    Gettelman, Thomas E., and Thompson, J. Kevin
    1993 Actual Differences and Stereotypical Perceptions in Body Image and Eating Disturbance: A Comparison of Male and Female Heterosexual and Homosexual Samples. Sex Roles 29:(7/8):545-562.

    Hesse-Biber, Sharlene, with Patricia Leavy, Courtney E. Quinn, and Julia Zoino
    2006 The mass marketing of disordered eating and Eating Disorders: The social psychology of women, thinness and culture. Women's Studies International Forum 29:208–224.

    Latzer, Yael, with Yoav Lavee and Sharon Gal
    2009 Marital and Parent–Child Relationships in Families With Daughters Who Have Eating Disorders. Journal of Family Issues 30(9):1201-1220.

    Legenbauer, Tanja, with Silja Vocks, Corinna Schäfer, Sabine Schütt-Strömel, Wolfgang Hiller, Christof Wagner, and Claus Vögele
    2009 Preference for attractiveness and thinness in a partner: Influence of internalization of the thin ideal and shape/weight dissatisfaction in heterosexual women, heterosexual men, lesbians, and gay men. Body Image 6:228–234.

    Lelwica, Michelle with Emma Hoglund and Jenna McNallie
    2009 Spreading the Religion of Thinness from California to Calcutta: A Critical Feminist Postcolonial Analysis. Journal of Feminist Studies in Religion 25(1):19-41.

    Lin, Linda and Reid, Kathleen
    2009 The relationship between media exposure and antifat attitudes: The role of dysfunctional appearance beliefs.  Body Image 6:52–55.

    Murray, Trish
    2003 Wait Not, Want Not: Factors Contributing to the Development of Anorexia Nervosa and Bulimia Nervosa. The Family Journal 11:276-280.

    Nash, Jo
    2006 Mutant Spiritualities in a Secular Age: The ‘Fasting Body’ and the Hunger for Pure Immanence. Journal of Religion and Health 45(3):310-327.

    O’Connor, Richard A., and Van Esterik, Penny
    2008 De-medicalizing anorexia: A new cultural brokering. Anthropology Today 24(5):6-9.

    Orpana, Heather M., with Jean-Marie Berthelot, Mark S. Kaplan, David H. Feeny, Bentson McFarland, and Nancy A. Ross
    2009 BMI and Mortality: Results From a National Longitudinal Study of Canadian Adults. Obesity 18:214-218.

    Peterson, Rachel D. with Karen P. Grippo and Stacey Tantleff-Dunn
    2008 Empowerment and Powerlessness: A Closer Look at the Relationship Between Feminism, Body Image and Eating Disturbance. Sex Roles 58:639–648.

    Pike, Kathleen M., and Borovoy, Amy
    2004 The Rise of Eating Disorders in Japan: Issues of Culture and Limitations of the Model of “Westernization”. Culture, Medicine and Psychiatry 28:493-531.

    Stiman, Meaghan, with Patricia Leavy and Ashley Garland
    2009 Heterosexual female and male body image and body concept in the context of attraction ideals. Electronic Journal of Human Sexuality 12:1-17.

    Swami, Viren, with Grant Henderson, Deborah Custance, and Martin J. Tovée
    2011 A Cross-Cultural Investigation of Men’s Judgments of Female Body Weight in Britain and Indonesia. Journal of Cross-Cultural Psychology 42(1):140–145.

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  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #118 - February 15, 2012, 08:11 AM

    What I found particularly disturbing is that not only is the fashion industry wanting to promote a body type that is unattainable for most women, but they are actually aiming for a body type that is literally physically impossible for any woman regardless of her genes.


    Real pic on the left. Airbrushed ad on the right.




    And this, which is really off the planet:




    It seems that this is what they are trying to push their models to be like, and they don't give a damn about the mental and physical health consequences for the girls concerned.

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  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #119 - February 15, 2012, 09:14 AM

    Eww, those aren't even nice.  The original size of the models is still slim, it's disgusting that they edit these images so that it becomes a size no one really is at all unless they are close to death.  banghead

    I had a picture taken last month in which I looked so emaciated, was gonna blot out my face and post it here so you can see the effects of trying too hard to be those fake pictures, but I remember I snipped my face out and deleted the body because it looked so wrong.

    If there is one thing these threads, especially these visual representations have done, is help me see that I have been trying to reach something that isn't right, and doesn't look right.

    @ allat, thank you for the links.  I'm going to email myself this thread so I don't lose all the articles, I intend to work my way through them.   Afro

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