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  • Islam or Atheism March 9th Hamza "Schmuck" Tzortis vs Lawrence "The Man" Krauss
     Reply #150 - March 11, 2013, 10:05 PM
    Great comment about Tortoise & Co here.

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    Ba! Do you know what one really comic feature of this report is?

    Hamza Andreas Tsortis: British of Greek descent, E.Orthodox background but parents "humanist", as he claims he was before conversion. Pretentious nerd (likes to try to prove Islam from quantum physics when not calling for death for gays etc...)

    Abdurahheem Green: As white and middle-class as me. Posh Catholic background, Ampleforth, dropped out of history course at London Uni. Hippie "seeker" who went through various creeds before arriving at Islam.

    Yusuf Chambers: Less background available. But Irish, ex-Catholic.

    <snip>

    And oh how nice that (exempting Quick and Bilal, who are black), we need feel no racist qualms about shoving Green and co in the metaphorical equivalent of village stocks and pelting him with indigenous rotten apples. He's not some beardie from Araby or benighted Pakistan, wot knows no better, m'lud...

    He's a wanker from the Home Counties and effing Ampleforth who has decided he loves a creed that lets him dress up and articulate his unpleasant fantasies about what he wants to do to girlies and nancy-boys and yiddos...and get a) applauded for it...and b) enjoy pleasant feelings of martyrdom when anyone objects.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Islam or Atheism March 9th Hamza "Schmuck" Tzortis vs Lawrence "The Man" Krauss
     Reply #151 - March 11, 2013, 10:17 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on March 11, 2013, 09:07 PM
    No, it isn't. You'll just be playing their game. They already have you suckered.

    It's really simple. Stick to the basics.
    So why on earth would you want to bother with getting entangled in chasing their definitions of obscure shit?



    I have a curiosity to understand what goes on with their thinking, so from that I like to know what angle they are arguing from and why, but at the end of the day you are right, in situations like these it's best to stick to the basics.
  • Islam or Atheism March 9th Hamza "Schmuck" Tzortis vs Lawrence "The Man" Krauss
     Reply #152 - March 11, 2013, 10:18 PM
    Oh sure, if you want to dissect their thinking out of curiosity, that's fine. It's something to tackle at a cafe though, not during an organised and timed debate.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Islam or Atheism March 9th Hamza "Schmuck" Tzortis vs Lawrence "The Man" Krauss
     Reply #153 - March 11, 2013, 10:47 PM
    @HalalMelo posted



    (https://twitter.com/HalalMelo/status/311239980364214272/photo/1)

    response:



    (http://imgur.com/PsHpZGl.jpg)

    EDIT: the images don't show up ... i'm putting links in parentheses

    EDIT 2: and my account is suspeded!
  • Islam or Atheism March 9th Hamza "Schmuck" Tzortis vs Lawrence "The Man" Krauss
     Reply #154 - March 11, 2013, 10:48 PM
    links are broken
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Islam or Atheism March 9th Hamza "Schmuck" Tzortis vs Lawrence "The Man" Krauss
     Reply #155 - March 11, 2013, 11:12 PM
    guys they are spewing all sorts of nonsense and retweeting each other

    and if I create a response I get suspended (my tweets and pics aren't even visible)

    What the fuck? where are the atheists/exmuslims?

    I thought atheists own the internet!
  • Islam or Atheism March 9th Hamza "Schmuck" Tzortis vs Lawrence "The Man" Krauss
     Reply #156 - March 11, 2013, 11:42 PM
    http://qkme.me/3tbwwf

    http://qkme.me/3tbx3x
  • Islam or Atheism March 9th Hamza "Schmuck" Tzortis vs Lawrence "The Man" Krauss
     Reply #157 - March 12, 2013, 12:02 AM
    Quote from: kutta on March 11, 2013, 05:00 PM
    @sturm: What they mean by that is that nothing existed (relative to the creator). Because God is perfect and can do anything, He created His creation (i.e. the universe) out of nothing. I agree though, it's still a speculation, and no explanation for God  seems to make sense to me. In my opinion, everyone should just shut the fuck up and admit that we don't know how the universe came to be.




    yeah but if only God existed and nothing else existed then what did he make the universe from?? Dust?? Mud?? Muck?? what??

    Did he make it from himself or from the substance he is made of, if yes than God has to be material, it doesn't even make sense.

    Anyways this is the second time Krauss disappoints me, once when he got owned by Craig which wasn't supposed to happen and now by a complete idiot, I think he should seclude himself from the world.

    Lame, he could have owned Craigs easily on the first and ESPECIALLY second premise of the Kalam but he did ABSOLUTELY nothing about it, a freaking Theoretical physicist couldn't address a half arsed Pseudo Scientific argument, I swear, I could have done WAY better in addressing the kalam.
  • Islam or Atheism March 9th Hamza "Schmuck" Tzortis vs Lawrence "The Man" Krauss
     Reply #158 - March 12, 2013, 03:19 AM
    Hum... Where to begin?

    This fellow bangs on about objective purpose yet does nothing to substantiate his claim. I mean let's hypothetically assume that all that quranic and hadith shit is authentic and can adequately serve as a blueprint for contemporaneous moral standards. If we project autonomy onto divine decree then we're immediately violating the Quran because nothing can transpire without Allah's will. This immediately sets up a hilarious mechanism of doublethink because on one hand islam is fatalistic where as on the other hand it is libertarian. So mr. Tzortzis must conveniently assert that humans are free agents when deemed prudent and contend the inverse when it is also necessary.

    What islamic determinists fail to realise is that everything is determined by Allah prior to conception, and I mean everything so much as it boils down to the ticking away of time and me idly writing this post. Therefore, there is absolutely no room for human intervention. none. scrap this idiocy.

    Christian theologians have managed to evade this by establishing a God that is constrained by time but this results in them conceding to an imperfect God which is just a portentous way of saying that the idea of an anthropomorphic deity is a) the unexplained or B) a risible manner in which to comprehend human psychology and the phenomena of any given epoch.

    Rationally then, mr. Tzortzis would have to admit to an imperfect deity to assert purpose onto humans whilst acknowledging their wholly autonomous nature.

    Well what do we have here, mr. Tzortzis has inadvertently taken himself outside of the fold of Islam.

    Nice one Andreas, I'm in need of a lighter. Cheers mate!
  • Islam or Atheism March 9th Hamza "Schmuck" Tzortis vs Lawrence "The Man" Krauss
     Reply #159 - March 12, 2013, 03:45 PM
    Quote from: schizo on March 12, 2013, 03:19 AM
    Hum... Where to begin?

    This fellow bangs on about objective purpose yet does nothing to substantiate his claim. I mean let's hypothetically assume that all that quranic and hadith shit is authentic and can adequately serve as a blueprint for contemporaneous moral standards. If we project autonomy onto divine decree then we're immediately violating the Quran because nothing can transpire without Allah's will. This immediately sets up a hilarious mechanism of doublethink because on one hand islam is fatalistic where as on the other hand it is libertarian. So mr. Tzortzis must conveniently assert that humans are free agents when deemed prudent and contend the inverse when it is also necessary.

    What islamic determinists fail to realise is that everything is determined by Allah prior to conception, and I mean everything so much as it boils down to the ticking away of time and me idly writing this post. Therefore, there is absolutely no room for human intervention. none. scrap this idiocy.

    Christian theologians have managed to evade this by establishing a God that is constrained by time but this results in them conceding to an imperfect God which is just a portentous way of saying that the idea of an anthropomorphic deity is a) the unexplained or B) a risible manner in which to comprehend human psychology and the phenomena of any given epoch.

    Rationally then, mr. Tzortzis would have to admit to an imperfect deity to assert purpose onto humans whilst acknowledging their wholly autonomous nature.

    Well what do we have here, mr. Tzortzis has inadvertently taken himself outside of the fold of Islam.

    Nice one Andreas, I'm in need of a lighter. Cheers mate!


    Watch out for those words man, you don't want iERA to sentence you to death based on objective moral standards, do you?
  • Islam or Atheism March 9th Hamza "Schmuck" Tzortis vs Lawrence "The Man" Krauss
     Reply #160 - March 12, 2013, 08:03 PM
    iERA closely resembles the acronym of the Irish terrorist organisation IRA. I thought that muslims are perpetually striving to dispell misconceptions pertaining to the true dean?

    Good job, once again!
  • Islam or Atheism March 9th Hamza "Schmuck" Tzortis vs Lawrence "The Man" Krauss
     Reply #161 - March 12, 2013, 10:36 PM
    interestingly even adam deen and myriam francois cerrah condemned iera for their segregation and thuggery
  • Islam or Atheism March 9th Hamza "Schmuck" Tzortis vs Lawrence "The Man" Krauss
     Reply #162 - March 13, 2013, 11:47 PM
    Ahhh! That would explain this:

    https://www.facebook.com/MrAdnanRashid/posts/137911556381042

    And, are Adam Deen and Myriam Francois Cerrah married??
  • Islam or Atheism March 9th Hamza "Schmuck" Tzortis vs Lawrence "The Man" Krauss
     Reply #163 - March 14, 2013, 12:23 AM
    Wow. This shows what even relatively reformist Muslims are up against ^^^

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    dnan Rashid Ok Ikhwaan, here are few examples: Adam Deen (the head of the department) and his wife have been towing the modernist line since yesterday on twitter. If you look at Adam Deen's wife's twitter account you will her description as "with a feminist twist". She has attempted to promote feminism at a number of venues. Adam has many questions about established sunnah such as seperation of genders in Islam. Another member of the institute is a jahil guy called Atabeq who openly promotes hatred against Ahlul Hadith (the peolpe of Sunnah). He has even challenged some established issues in Islam such as the age of Aysha (Bukhari). Another member is brother Shabir Aly (whom I respect for his humble character) who has publicly promoted the idea that Jesus was in fact crucified (against the Quranic view); and he has rejected some solid reports from Bukhari with regards to the incident of Banu Quraidha. There is more but this will suffice for people with sound minds inshAllah. The evidence for all this is available on twitter, Youtube and other platforms. Wassalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Islam or Atheism March 9th Hamza "Schmuck" Tzortis vs Lawrence "The Man" Krauss
     Reply #164 - March 14, 2013, 12:24 AM
    I made a tweet that got the attention of two nasty assholes, one of home actually put a lot of info on his twitter account about where he works and who he is. He called me a sellout, unhappy, lost and misguided. I want to go to his job and report him straight away for what he actually said.
    "I measured the skies, now the shadows I measure,
    Sky-bound was the mind, earth-bound the body rests."
    [Kepler's epitaph]
  • Islam or Atheism March 9th Hamza "Schmuck" Tzortis vs Lawrence "The Man" Krauss
     Reply #165 - March 14, 2013, 12:28 AM
    Nah. No need to sink to that.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Islam or Atheism March 9th Hamza "Schmuck" Tzortis vs Lawrence "The Man" Krauss
     Reply #166 - March 14, 2013, 12:41 AM
    Quote from: mchawking on March 14, 2013, 12:24 AM
    I made a tweet that got the attention of two nasty assholes, one of home actually put a lot of info on his twitter account about where he works and who he is. He called me a sellout, unhappy, lost and misguided. I want to go to his job and report him straight away for what he actually said.


    Yeah, understand you frustration but can't stoop to their level
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Islam or Atheism March 9th Hamza "Schmuck" Tzortis vs Lawrence "The Man" Krauss
     Reply #167 - March 14, 2013, 02:51 PM
    hamza is walking talking paradox

    he says science uses "inductive reasoning" and islam/philosophy uses "deductive reasoning"

    then he says he's gonna makes an argument for the universe having a beginning(a scientific area of study !) using erm... DEDUCTIVE REASONING !!!!!

     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
  • Islam or Atheism March 9th Hamza "Schmuck" Tzortis vs Lawrence "The Man" Krauss
     Reply #168 - March 14, 2013, 04:00 PM
    he is wrong anyway. Science uses both, and Islam uses neither
  • Islam or Atheism March 9th Hamza "Schmuck" Tzortis vs Lawrence "The Man" Krauss
     Reply #169 - March 14, 2013, 06:43 PM
    Yea in a round about way he got called out on this on the MSS when he tried to equate science & the empiricism with the great great great grandparents bit. science has to use both or it world be extremely limited.
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Islam or Atheism March 9th Hamza "Schmuck" Tzortis vs Lawrence "The Man" Krauss
     Reply #170 - March 18, 2013, 01:48 AM
     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy https://twitter.com/HATortoise/status/313416003713396736
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Islam or Atheism March 9th Hamza "Schmuck" Tzortis vs Lawrence "The Man" Krauss
     Reply #171 - March 18, 2013, 04:11 AM
    twitter links don't work for those of us using a vpn / tor for security. Kindly copy/paste in a quote as well.  thnkyu
    Quote from: King Tut on December 09, 2012, 06:28 PM
    Yeah an I am super ugly, I can't even beat my chest am too skinny and when I roaaar to attract women, they laugh at me, because it sounds like a girl screaming. I can't even attract any bitches!  Cry

  • Islam or Atheism March 9th Hamza "Schmuck" Tzortis vs Lawrence "The Man" Krauss
     Reply #172 - March 18, 2013, 02:00 PM
    Quote from: chris on March 13, 2013, 11:47 PM
    Ahhh! That would explain this:

    https://www.facebook.com/MrAdnanRashid/posts/137911556381042

    And, are Adam Deen and Myriam Francois Cerrah married??


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeChTiTw-xg

    There is nothing wrong in that as long as they are compatible and they don't force their bookish Islam on their children and people around them.... watch them at 1.27 mts..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Islam or Atheism March 9th Hamza "Schmuck" Tzortis vs Lawrence "The Man" Krauss
     Reply #173 - March 19, 2013, 02:47 AM
    I finished transcribing the debate (from the recording) to the best of my ability. I took four days, seems I'm much more of a perfectionist than I knew.

    (?) means I'm not sure what the word is, or it doesn't seem to make sense to me.
    (...) means I couldn't make out what was being said.

    Enjoy, do whatever you want with it.

    http://pastebin.com/6N00JBGK
  • Islam or Atheism March 9th Hamza "Schmuck" Tzortis vs Lawrence "The Man" Krauss
     Reply #174 - March 19, 2013, 04:18 AM
    They don't understand anyone, blank stares and frequent blinking!  I just want to poke em in the eye akhas & uff
    Oh my Christopher Hitchens its a fihrrrrrrrrrrrr
  • Islam or Atheism March 9th Hamza "Schmuck" Tzortis vs Lawrence "The Man" Krauss
     Reply #175 - March 19, 2013, 04:23 AM
    Quote from: Entheos on March 19, 2013, 02:47 AM
    I finished transcribing the debate (from the recording) to the best of my ability. I took four days, seems I'm much more of a perfectionist than I knew.

    (?) means I'm not sure what the word is, or it doesn't seem to make sense to me.
    (...) means I couldn't make out what was being said.

    Enjoy, do whatever you want with it.

    http://pastebin.com/6N00JBGK

    That is a great Job Entheos.. thank you.. thank you..    It is worth and it is very useful to put that geek tortoise where it belongs to...

    with best wishes'
    yeezevee
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Islam or Atheism March 9th Hamza "Schmuck" Tzortis vs Lawrence "The Man" Krauss
     Reply #176 - March 19, 2013, 10:26 AM
    Thank you yeezevee. You're welcome. I got better as I went on, I didn't proofread it so I spotted a few mistakes just now, including leaving some of my editing marks behind, but theres no editing it now! I'm just going to let it be.
  • Islam or Atheism March 9th Hamza "Schmuck" Tzortis vs Lawrence "The Man" Krauss
     Reply #177 - March 19, 2013, 10:33 AM
    Entheos - that is amazingly brilliant! Thank you!
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Islam or Atheism March 9th Hamza "Schmuck" Tzortis vs Lawrence "The Man" Krauss
     Reply #178 - March 19, 2013, 10:43 AM
    Thank you billy, I appreciate that. You're welcome. I just cleaned it up a touch at the beginning, removed some editing marks, fixed some mistakes, but I'm going to let the original be as I said, I can't edit it. So I just made a new paste:

    http://pastebin.com/wHaM5MuS
  • Islam or Atheism March 9th Hamza "Schmuck" Tzortis vs Lawrence "The Man" Krauss
     Reply #179 - March 19, 2013, 11:50 AM
    Quote from: Entheos on March 19, 2013, 10:43 AM
    Thank you billy, I appreciate that. You're welcome. I just cleaned it up a touch at the beginning, removed some editing marks, fixed some mistakes, but I'm going to let the original be as I said, I can't edit it. So I just made a new paste:

    http://pastebin.com/wHaM5MuS

     glad to see that.. That is lot of work

    Entheos I am just curious here .. is this is the audio file that you  transcribed?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxYFsjmZCnw

    forget the video.. ......  that is for fun.,    but If that is the Audio file  I can not believe why people like Dr. Krauss  are picking up this ISLAMIC  IDIOT to debate on Islam??

    Now what these SCOUNDRELS  will do is,  blast that incest part of video  across internet and  across the Islamic world and shout  "Atheists  are nothing but incest propagating zombies".  Here they indeed cornered  Krauss.,  also  he was NOT VERY ARTICULATE in his answer to that question .. .. This is what these fools of Islam will do with their loud mouths .. see this tube..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCfFQlDvetg

    1st Krauss is WRONG TO DISCUSS WITH THESE IDIOTS .. 2nd Krauss was not articulate in his response ...

    He should  have  centered his discussion on MORAL DEGRADATION OF THEIR PROPHET in comparison with Jesus and Moses whose stories are far superior to the story of  Muhammad  that comes out of hadith and Quran..  Other point is,  nailing these rascals by proving that the present  Morality that we see in humans is   evolved through ages and is nothing to do with religions religious gibberish from their respective books., at best  these religious guys usurped the evolved moral values of human beings and pasted them in their books. Science and scientific temperament was not there for thousands of years to corner these croak pots...
     
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
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