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Reply #120 - May 23, 2013, 08:40 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iDV2YlXoZs

That Islamic hero in white clothes behind that London baboon ., apparently this was in 2007., In five years he graduated from Islamic street fool to a beheading brutal rogue... that to killing a complete stranger on the street

Quote from: happymurtad on May 23, 2013, 08:00 PM
Wait, isn’t this the EXACT argument ...................

some one said some time back similar stuff/ same argument., All sports are same., Kick boxing and badminton, both are sports . There must be a better way of differentiating the two..(Sam Harris??) If there are terrorists in American Govt, Americans elected them. I am sure Americans must have good reason to elect them and they have option to throw them out of the government.

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Reply #121 - May 23, 2013, 08:45 PM

Over a million people may have accidentally 'liked' a covert EDL Facebook page

Since the Woolwich attack, far-Right groups like the English Defence League (EDL) have hugely magnified their presence online, in an effort to harness public anger. This has largely been successful; their Facebook page has received thousands of new "likes", and their Twitter account has garnered many new followers.

However, it is possible that they are also using covert means. A Facebook page entitled RIP Woolwich Soldier has sprung up, and so far has accumulated 1.1 million "likes". Some of my friends have "liked" it, and probably some of yours. There is no hard-and-fast evidence that this page is actually run by the EDL. However, there are various indications that this may be so.

For one thing, the design of the page, which is heavily dominated by a shimmering Union Flag, is very similar to the official EDL Facebook page.

Moreover, the first post on the page was "Time for the people who want to be apart of Britain to stand up against those who want to destroy us!" Not only does this seem to be of a piece with your average typical EDL call to arms, both in tone and in substance, but it also contains a prominent typo, which has emerged as the fingerprint of the EDL (recent examples include "never submit to Aslan", rather than "Islam").

Most significantly, the first organisation that the "RIP Woolwich Soldier" page "liked" was the official page of the English Defence League.

If you have visited the page and pressed the "like" button, RIP Woolwich Soldier updates will from now on appear on your timeline. Most Facebook accounts have a whole host of pages that the owner has "liked" in the past and neglected to "unlike"; from time to time, an update appears from a page you have completely forgotten about.

In other words, 1.1 million people have now made their names available to the owner of the RIP Woolwich Soldier page, and opened their timelines to his or her messages.

It may be that this unidentified owner is not officially linked to the EDL, but just harbours an affection for it. It could be, on the other hand, that the page is run by EDL activists, or even the EDL leadership.

Either way, it is possible that if you've "liked" RIP Woolwich Soldier, you may have unwittingly "liked" the EDL.

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Reply #122 - May 23, 2013, 09:11 PM

The whole thing sickens me for the atrocious behaviour of people. The attack itself. Deep–seated racism and ignorance comes to the fore, people ‘like’ and retweet links that are hideously prejudiced, muslims not expressing sympathy for someone who lost his life, but instead racing to defend Islam itself…

Everything about this incident is horrific.
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Reply #123 - May 23, 2013, 09:32 PM

Yeah K, you articulated how I feel about the whole thing perfectly

"we can smell traitors and country haters"

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Reply #124 - May 23, 2013, 10:23 PM

Quote from: allat on May 23, 2013, 08:45 PM
A Facebook page entitled RIP Woolwich Soldier has sprung up, and so far has accumulated 1.1 million "likes". Some of my friends have "liked" it, and probably some of yours. There is no hard-and-fast evidence that this page is actually run by the EDL. However, there are various indications that this may be so.
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Either way, it is possible that if you've "liked" RIP Woolwich Soldier, you may have unwittingly "liked" the EDL.
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Oh my, it's really horrible ! Some people may have liked a facebook page that was made by a bad person. Really, that struck me as a tragedy !
Seriously. It's facebook. Why should anyone care ?
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Reply #125 - May 23, 2013, 10:50 PM

Because its a page that is run by a far-right organisation that wants to inflame hatred of Muslims and foment violence against innocent people.

Its just a comment piece and it is related to the aftermath and the social tensions caused by this incident.

So yeah, thanks for posting it allat

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Reply #126 - May 23, 2013, 10:51 PM

Quote from: allat on May 23, 2013, 06:28 PM
Enjoy your vacation from this place.

I guess truth's been told

Maybe he just needed an arm round the shoulder and a chat? I couldn't find the words to do it myself, but was hoping someone else could. Oh well, he has plenty to mull over I guess.

Quote from: Homo Sapien on May 23, 2013, 07:01 PM
This event genuinely saddens me on many levels. Firstly, the tragic death of a young british soldier saddens me. The thoughts/feelings & what his family must be going through saddens me. The fact that a young man who identifies himself as a muslim feels a need to murder another young man in the name of Allah saddens me. The backlash that ordinary, everyday muslims are likely to have to see & endure saddens me. The possibility of increased racism, bigotry & suspicion also saddens me.

Nicely put my friend

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Reply #127 - May 23, 2013, 10:52 PM

Musivore, I like you dude. lol
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Reply #128 - May 23, 2013, 10:57 PM

Quote from: Yi Sun-Sin on May 23, 2013, 10:23 PM
Oh my, it's really horrible ! Some people may have liked a facebook page that was made by a bad person. Really, that struck me as a tragedy !
Seriously. It's facebook. Why should anyone care ?

Because as of now 1.2 million people are getting updates and indoctrination from it... sure some of them are probably already edl supporters, but many of them are probably not and just clicked on "like" in a moment of emotional solidarity with the sentiment of "RIP Woolwich Soldier"... as the article points out:

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In other words, 1.1 million people have now made their names available to the owner of the RIP Woolwich Soldier page, and opened their timelines to his or her messages.

A right wing fascist organization possibly hoodwinks a million or so people into following its dogma? On the biggest online platform? It's a cause for concern, I'd say.

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Reply #129 - May 23, 2013, 11:05 PM

Quote from: happymurtad on May 23, 2013, 10:52 PM
Musivore, I like you dude. lol

Thanks.

Whilst were here dishing compliments, man to man (btw, legally it can't be classed as a flirt if you add 'bro' or 'dude' at the end of the sentence), you're awesome dude I've learnt so so much from you and Tonyt in particular, since my return.

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Reply #130 - May 24, 2013, 12:25 AM

Quote from: Kodanshi on May 23, 2013, 09:11 PM
Deep–seated racism and ignorance comes to the fore,

As an optimist about human nature and the innate tolerance of British society, this may be no bad thing.

Part of the problem in Britain is that people's prejudices have been too rigorously policed. Let them wither in the light rather than fester in the dark.

But then, as I said, I am fundamentally an optimist.

(Pessimistic as hell in the short term, though.)
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Reply #131 - May 24, 2013, 01:10 AM

Article on a Muslim stabbed to death earlier this month in an a suspected hate motivated crime in Birmingham. Certainly not in broad daylight nor as brazen as this one, but still a violent tragedy and one few Brits would know about.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/02/birmingham-murder-racially-motivated-police
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Reply #132 - May 24, 2013, 03:24 AM

Quote from: GodIsNotGreat on May 23, 2013, 03:22 PM
Home grown attacks and plots here in the UK make me feel so much worse than the ones that happen abroad. ....

That was not only home grown attack but it was HOME BORN ATTACK GodIsNotGreat .. This brutal rogue apparently was born in London..

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Adeboloja, a 28-year-old of Nigerian descent, was born in Lambeth in south London and appears to have grown up in Romford, Essex and east London. He was a student at Greenwich University who lived on the campus at a couple of addresses between 2004 and 2005. He was at some stage, it appears, living with members of his family - his mother and perhaps his stepfather, in an area of Lincoln. That property is believed to have been searched by police on Thursday. There were also reports that addresses in Greenwich were being searched by officers. Police are now waiting to speak to the murder suspects.

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...........................They have no idea how much they've hurt the Muslim community in this country.,,,,,

fools brain washed with voilent shit from religious garbage don't care whom they hurt, what they hurt .. Their equation is simple "god doll says in the book so we do "

look at this news form Inkabod link Small Heath murder: Police fear stabbing of frail pensioner on way home from mosque was racist attack

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Mohammed Saleem, 75, who used a walking stick, was knifed three times in the back just yards from his front door Police fear a pensioner stabbed to death as he walked home from his local mosque was the victim of a racist attack. Frail Mohammed Saleem, 75, who used a walking stick, was knifed three times in the back just yards from his front door on Monday night.

The blows were struck with such violence they penetrated all the way through to the front of respected community elder’s body. Detectives leading the murder hunt said a racially-motivated attack was a “significant line of inquiry”. Mr Saleem usually made the same trip to his local mosque five times a day with a friend - but on Monday he walked alone. His horrified wife, Said Begum, discovered the grandfather of 22 dying on the pavement after neighbours raised the alarm. Cops released CCTV footage of a man seen running in the area of the attack in Small Heath, Birmingham.

Indeed it is time for countries like Pakistan to send drones and troupes to London to control these Islamic /other religious motivated brutes...

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Reply #133 - May 24, 2013, 04:18 AM

Totally off topic here but who else just noticed how hot allats avatar is? Who is that chick? As you were

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Reply #134 - May 24, 2013, 11:56 AM

Quote from: allat on May 23, 2013, 10:57 PM
Because as of now 1.2 million people are getting updates and indoctrination from it...

I'm pretty sure that those that “liked” it and were not EDL supporters won't be more sympathetic to EDL-style rhetoric than they were before “liking” it.
Quote from: allat on May 23, 2013, 10:57 PM
A right wing fascist organization possibly hoodwinks a million or so people into following its dogma?

Following it's dogma ? Did Facebook turn into a brainwashing machine that force you to act based on the opinion of the creators of pages that you “liked” ?
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Reply #135 - May 24, 2013, 02:29 PM

Facebook is a huge social platform with the ability to influence people in a big way through Mass Interpersonal Persuasion, in the same way that regular collective socialisation is able to.

So yes, I do believe that pages like the one allat is talking about, that many of my friends liked as soon as it popped up, hold the potential to persuade people to be more sympathetic to causes they might not once have been.

It is not about forcing people, it is about influencing people, and many companies have already recognised the potential facebook, twitter and other social platforms are capable of offering them. Surprised you seem to dismiss that though.

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Reply #136 - May 24, 2013, 03:04 PM

the hypocrisy of iera terrorists
http://freethoughtblogs.com/aronra/2013/05/23/iera-statement-in-light-of-the-woolwich-attack/
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Reply #137 - May 24, 2013, 03:10 PM

Quote from: serpentofeden on May 24, 2013, 03:04 PM
the hypocrisy of iera terrorists
http://freethoughtblogs.com/aronra/2013/05/23/iera-statement-in-light-of-the-woolwich-attack/

Thanks for the link serpentofeden ., it says

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.............While on our show, DPR Jones asked Hamza what would be the appropriate and reasonable response to apostates,? and Hamza Tsortzis, head of the iERA said non-believers should be decapitated. He said it was the only humane thing to do, as he belives sawing someone’s head off to be a merciful and painless way to correct opposing opinions...................

But I wonder whether those words from the orifice of that tortoise are any way available on web?

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Reply #138 - May 25, 2013, 08:26 AM

^ He's on YouTube on the magic sandwich show saying beheading is painless, right outta his own orifice.
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Reply #139 - May 25, 2013, 08:57 AM

Cameron should STFU about Islam.
The debate about whether Islam is peaceful or violent is one for Muslims to have with other Muslims. It is not his place to tell anybody what Islam can and cannot justify. If Islam is not relevant here then simply don't mention it.
It is up to Muslims to interpret their own religion, and if we are going to pretend that religion is something to be respected, then we also have to respect the religion of the extremists (even if it is not 'real Islam').

I don't see the importance of distinguishing between 'true peaceful Islam'. and 'false violent distorted Islam'. Sure one is more violent than the other, but they are both equally stupid. They are simply different interpretations of the same thing. If we are going to tell the extremists that they got it wrong, then we also have to tell the moderates that they are wrong. The entire religion is bullshit no matter how peacefully you interpret it.

Religion is inherently stupid, and inherently dangerous. The problem isn't a certain interpretation of a certain religion, but religion itself and the respect it demands.
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Reply #140 - May 25, 2013, 11:34 AM

Quote from: Al-Alethia on May 25, 2013, 08:26 AM
^ He's on YouTube on the magic sandwich show saying beheading is painless, right outta his own orifice.

You are a "godless truth"

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need to watch that .. Damn I learn a new thing every day.. god is a four letter word Fuck it is YHWH, I thought it is five letter and and "Yahweh" well god is 3 letter word.. four letter word and five letter word ... Jesus.. now I need longest foul word ..

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Reply #141 - May 25, 2013, 01:35 PM

Quote from: musivore on May 23, 2013, 10:51 PM
Nicely put my friend

Thank You Musivore.

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Reply #142 - May 25, 2013, 02:05 PM

The interview with his friend is interesting.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22664468
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Reply #143 - May 25, 2013, 03:18 PM

Quote from: happymurtad on May 25, 2013, 02:05 PM
The interview with his friend is interesting.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22664468

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Wj_izL6Lgc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaN7quv48jk

Omar Bakri sympathises with Woolwich killer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ck0nxPBklc

Woolwich murder sparks anti-Muslim backlash

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Reply #144 - May 25, 2013, 05:40 PM

Is it correct that the only way to be at peace with people like Bakri - what is his fascinating way of talking about? - is to submit to Allah?

When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.

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Reply #145 - May 25, 2013, 06:42 PM

An interesting article by Russell Brand on the issue...

http://www.russellbrand.tv/2013/05/woolwich/

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Reply #146 - May 25, 2013, 10:28 PM

I like Russell Brand. I even like this article. But this is self deluding

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The main narrative thrust of The Bible though, like most spiritual texts, including the Quran is; be nice to each other because we’re all the same.

Its an example of a naive person who believes in hippy values hopefully projecting those values onto scriptures that don't support them.

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Reply #147 - May 25, 2013, 10:42 PM

so true, the Old Testament is anything but be nice to each other

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Reply #148 - May 26, 2013, 12:29 AM

Quote from: billy on May 25, 2013, 10:28 PM
Its an example of a naive person who believes in hippy values hopefully projecting those values onto scriptures that don't support them.

A very common thing, but really unnerving all the same. That's a shame so many people are stuck with theses ignorants preconceptions.
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Reply #149 - May 26, 2013, 12:36 PM

The Woolwich Attack Douglas Murray, Anjem Choudary and Julie Siddiqi discuss the implications of Michael Adebolaj one of the perpetrators of the attack taking part in one of Choudary's protests previously on Channel Four News.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AffAxbncqS8#!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SH7Ty8iPh5c#!

comments under those two tubes are interesting...

Was the London killing of a British soldier ‘terrorism’? by Glenn Greenwald

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Two men yesterday engaged in a horrific act of violence on the streets of London by using what appeared to be a meat cleaver to hack to death a British soldier. In the wake of claims that the assailants shouted “Allahu Akbar” during the killing, and a video showing one of the assailants citing Islam as well as a desire to avenge and stop continuous UK violence against Muslims, media outlets (including the Guardian) and British politicians instantly characterized the attack as “terrorism”.

That this was a barbaric and horrendous act goes without saying, but given the legal, military, cultural and political significance of the term “terrorism”, it is vital to ask: is that term really applicable to this act of violence? To begin with, in order for an act of violence to be “terrorism”, many argue that it must deliberately target civilians. That’s the most common means used by those who try to distinguish the violence engaged in by western nations from that used by the “terrorists”: sure, we kill civilians sometimes, but we don’t deliberately target them the way the “terrorists” do.

But here, just as was true for Nidal Hasan’s attack on a Fort Hood military base, the victim of the violence was a soldier of a nation at war, not a civilian. He was stationed at an army barracks quite close to the attack. The killer made clear that he knew he had attacked a soldier when he said afterward: “this British soldier is an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.”......

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The US, the UK and its allies have repeatedly killed Muslim civilians over the past decade (and before that), but defenders of those governments insist that this cannot be “terrorism” because it is combatants, not civilians, who are the targets. Can it really be the case that when western nations continuously kill Muslim civilians, that’s not “terrorism”, but when Muslims kill western soldiers, that is terrorism? Amazingly, the US has even imprisoned people at Guantanamo and elsewhere on accusations of “terrorism” who are accused of nothing more than engaging in violence against US soldiers who invaded their country.

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When I asked on Twitter this morning what specific attributes of this attack make it “terrorism” given that it was a soldier who was killed, the most frequent answer I received was that “terrorism” means any act of violence designed to achieve political change, or more specifically, to induce a civilian population to change their government or its policies of out fear of violence. Because, this line of reasoning went, one of the attackers here said that “the only reasons we killed this man is because Muslims are dying daily” and warned that “you people will never be safe. Remove your government”, the intent of the violence was to induce political change, thus making it “terrorism”.

That is at least a coherent definition. But doesn’t that then encompass the vast majority of violent acts undertaken by the US and its allies over the last decade? What was the US/UK “shock and awe” attack on Baghdad if not a campaign to intimidate the population with a massive show of violence into submitting to the invading armies and ceasing their support for Saddam’s regime? That was clearly its functional intent and even its stated intent. That definition would also immediately include the massive air bombings of German cities during World War II. It would include the Central American civilian-slaughtering militias supported, funded and armed by the Reagan administration throughout the 1980s, the Bangledeshi death squads trained and funded by the UK, and countless other groups supported by the west that used violence against civilians to achieve political ends.

The ongoing US drone attacks unquestionably have the effect, and one could reasonably argue the intent, of terrorizing the local populations so that they cease harboring or supporting those the west deems to be enemies. The brutal sanctions regime imposed by the west on Iraq and Iran, which kills large numbers of people, clearly has the intent of terrorizing the population into changing its governments’ policies and even the government itself. How can one create a definition of “terrorism” that includes Wednesday’s London attack on this British soldier without including many acts of violence undertaken by the US, the UK and its allies and partners? Can that be done? ..

well read more of Glenn Greenwaldat in that muslimvillage.com on that brutal murder.. As I understand from Glenn Greenwaldat writings., there is indeed a clear justification for Muslims like Michael Adebolajo to carry out London Horrific Murder on people like British soldier who may have fought in Afghanistan and those who oppose Islamic rules such as Sharia laws..

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