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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1320 - October 06, 2014, 09:02 PM

    The West needs to confine stuff to that area and let themselves sort it out. Secular bodies should be funded and strengthened.

    But the key is to also counter the influence of Saudi there, there needs to be schools built teaching enlightenment principles to counter the Islamic schools set up by Saudi, especially in Sunni areas. I am sure Iran does similar with Shia theology and tautology.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1321 - October 06, 2014, 09:08 PM

    Some kind of united front strategy (very much tied to and assessing the consciousness of the peasantry) comprising various secular working class organisations, social democrats, trade unionists, communists, socialists, syndicalists, etc, would be ideal.

    Funded by labour governments in the west. One can only dream.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1322 - October 06, 2014, 09:10 PM

    If you're a muslim or an exmuslim, there's a good chance that you know/known someone who has been allowed to study for free in Saudiarabia. I can come up with atleast two, there're probably more than that.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1323 - October 06, 2014, 09:19 PM

    Some kind of united front strategy (very much tied to and assessing the consciousness of the peasantry) comprising various secular working class organisations, social democrats, trade unionists, communists, socialists, syndicalists, etc, would be ideal.

    Funded by labour governments in the west. One can only dream.


    Thanks for the reply. I agree but as you said in the chat (link below) it is quite pipedreamy.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1324 - October 06, 2014, 10:05 PM

    http://www.isj.org.uk/index.php4?id=1002
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1325 - October 06, 2014, 10:27 PM

    Great interview with Richard Seymour on the lack of an anti-war movement and the tasks the left should be involved in at the moment.
    http://www.newleftproject.org/index.php/site/article_comments/where_is_the_anti_war_movement
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1326 - October 06, 2014, 11:21 PM

    Deleted bad taste.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1327 - October 06, 2014, 11:24 PM

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ali-a-rizvi/an-open-letter-to-moderat_b_5930764.html
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1328 - October 07, 2014, 12:27 AM

    ^^ That's brilliant. Afro

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1329 - October 07, 2014, 12:31 AM

    I know!
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1330 - October 07, 2014, 02:03 AM

    If you're a muslim or an exmuslim, there's a good chance that you know/known someone who has been allowed to study for free in Saudiarabia. I can come up with atleast two, there're probably more than that.


    Yeah, even being in purdah I knew one.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1331 - October 07, 2014, 08:04 PM

    Yazidis, Kurds fight with ISIS supporters during a protest in Germany

    http://www.thelocal.de/20141007/six-hurt-in-yasidi-muslim-mass-brawl


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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1332 - October 07, 2014, 08:07 PM

    ^^ That's brilliant. Afro


    No,  that is BLOODY brilliant!!  Afro Afro

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1333 - October 07, 2014, 08:41 PM

    Yazidis, Kurds fight with ISIS supporters during a protest in Germany

    http://www.thelocal.de/20141007/six-hurt-in-yasidi-muslim-mass-brawl

    I have to admit that if I was a Kurd or a Yazidi and I saw some wankers supporting IS, I'd probably be inclined to kill them on the spot.

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1334 - October 07, 2014, 09:28 PM

    So it looks like although Turkey claimed it would not let Kobane fall, and has had troops and tanks sitting just down the road for weeks, Turkey is now going to let Kobane fall. This will probably result in the Kurdish fighters there being massacred, thereby removing an irritant for Turkey.

    It's become obvious, given the deals done and the known crossings of the border by IS fighters (including shopping trips in Istanbul), that Turkey likes IS a lot more than Turkey likes Kurds, so it seems that in this instance Turkey is effectively using IS as a proxy force to destroy Kurdish resistance in the area.

    But of course Turkey is our ally, and we're all fighting for freedom. parrot

    Islamic State on the brink of seizing Kobane, as Kurds plead for help

    Quote
    Turkey's president says the Syrian Kurdish town of Kobani is "about to fall" to Islamic State fighters who have pressed home a three-week assault in the face of fierce resistance and US-led airstrikes.

    IS fighters seized more ground in the south and west of the key strategic town, on the Turkish border, despite fresh attacks by warplanes from the US-led coalition.

    A statement from US Central Command said warplanes had hit jihadi tanks, heavy guns and fighters on the outskirts of the town.

    Turkey said it was pressing Washington for more air strikes, but president Tayyip Erdogan said bombing was not enough to defeat Islamic State and set out Turkey's demands for additional measures before it could intervene.


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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1335 - October 07, 2014, 09:47 PM

    Fuckers!
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1336 - October 07, 2014, 10:22 PM

    Meysa Abdo, YPJ commander in Kobane, says Erdogan is full of it:

    From BBC World Series Radio.

    https://soundcloud.com/bbc-world-service/kurdish-commander-tells-bbc-newshour

    More on Meysa Abdo of YPJ here:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4F3HiSxPck

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1337 - October 07, 2014, 10:48 PM

    For those interested Cahit Storm is a Kurd tweeting from Kobane @cahitstorm
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1338 - October 07, 2014, 11:13 PM

    For those interested Cahit Storm is a Kurd tweeting from Kobane @cahitstorm


    Thanks Abu!

    Linkies for the lazy!

    https://twitter.com/cahitstorm
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1339 - October 08, 2014, 01:53 AM

    I never thought those tanks were there to threaten ISIS. Knowing Turkey, they are there fire at anyone trying to flee to safety behind them. Turkey has a nice long history of picking off refugees like that.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1340 - October 08, 2014, 08:24 AM

    Quote
    YPJ: The Kurdish feminists fighting Islamic State

    All-female militia is protecting the Kurdish population from militants – as well as challenging gender roles

    LAST UPDATED AT 15:48 ON TUE 7 OCT 2014

    The YPJ, also known as the Women's Protection Unit, has come under increased attack from Islamic State (IS) militants in Syria and is currently involved in the fight for the key border town of Kobane in Syria. Despite this, the group remains relatively unknown outside of the region.

    Who are they?
    Set up in 2012, the all-female militia group grew out of the Kurdish resistance movement and fights to defend the Kurdish population from attacks by IS militants, the Syrian government as well as the Al Qaeda affiliated al-Nusra Front.

    The organisation currently has over 7,000 volunteer fighters between the ages of 18-40. Those under the age of 18 are unable to take part in frontline fighting but are still able to join the movement and undergo military training. They receive no funding from the international community and the women are reliant on the Kurdish community for supplies and food.

    What do they do?
    The YPJ have fought alongside their male counterparts, the YPG, and the Kurdish Pershmerga in the battle against Islamic State militants. They also played a critical role in rescuing the thousands of Yazidis trapped on Mount Sinjar by IS fighters.

    Why have they taken up arms?
    "We need to control the area ourselves without depending on [the government]," Evin Ahmed, a 26-year-old fighter told Marie Claire. They can't protect us from [ISIS], we have to protect us [and] we defend everyone…no matter what race or religion they are."

    Why are they important?
    Aside from the military protection they offer, the group confronts traditional gender expectations in the region and is redefining the role of women in conflict in the region. "I don't want to get married or have children or be in the house all day," said General Zelal, one of the group's leaders. "I want to be free. "

    "The YPJ is in itself a feminist movement, even if it is not their main mission," says Erin Trieb, a photographer who documented the daily lives of the women in north-eastern Syria. "They want 'equality' between women and men, and a part of why they joined was to develop and advance the perceptions about women in their culture—they can be strong and be leader," she adds.

    Since enlisting, one fighter told Trieb that "the men back home changed their opinions about me and other women. Now they see that we are their equals, and that we have the same abilities, maybe sometimes more than them. They understand we are strong and that we can do everything they can."

    Their effectiveness against IS is reportedly magnified simply because they are women. "The saying among many Syrian Kurds is that ISIS is more terrified of being killed by women because if they are, they will not go to heaven," says Trieb.

    According to the BBC's Kurdish affairs analysts Cale Salih and Mutlu Civiroglu, both the YPJ and the YPG should play a larger role in the international fight against IS. "They could be a crucial partner to the West," they say.


    Read more: http://www.theweek.co.uk/middle-east/islamic-state/60758/ypj-the-kurdish-feminists-fighting-islamic-state#ixzz3FXWy5LTt


    Courtesy of Lassan.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1341 - October 08, 2014, 09:29 AM

    Fox reports that whitehouse is frustrated with Turkey's inaction.

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    Who will here proclaim it?
    Whence was it produced? Whence is this creation?
    The gods came afterwards, with the creation of this universe.
    Who then knows whence it has arisen?"- Rig Veda, 10:129-6
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1342 - October 08, 2014, 10:20 AM

    Fox reports that whitehouse is frustrated with Turkey's inaction.


    Quote
    US increasingly frustrated by Turkey’s inaction against Islamic State
    Unnamed US official says there is ‘growing angst about Turkey dragging its feet to act to prevent a massacre’ in Kobani

    Smoke rises from the Syrian town of Kobani, which is less than a mile from the Turkish border.

    The Obama administration is becoming increasingly frustrated over Turkey’s inaction against Islamic State (Isis), in particular its failure to intervene to prevent the jihadis overrunning the Syrian border town of Kobani.

    The US president is scheduled to hold a meeting on Wednesday of the national security council along with the secretary of state, John Kerry, to discuss Turkey’s reluctance so far to help in the battle against Isis.

    The US is especially angry with Turkey because it is a Nato ally and yet it has refused to provide even basic logistical assistance to the US-led coalition, which is hitting Isis positions in Syria with air strikes. On a wider scale, the US, reluctant to commit ground troops itself, wants Turkey to send in soldiers to confront Isis.

    Kerry has made repeated calls to the Turkish government pleading for intervention.

    The US special envoy to Syria, former general John Allen, is being dispatched to Turkey for talks on Friday aimed at trying to end Turkish government resistance to intervention.

    While the Turkish parliament has given the go ahead for Turkey to engage in military action the president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, has so far refused to commit forces. Ankara is in a dilemma: it wants to remove the threat posed by Isis on its border but is concerned that a consequence of this will be to help keep the Syrian president, Bashar al-Assad, in power.

    Turkish tanks are sitting along the border watching as Isis forces move in on the mainly Kurdish city of Kobani. Ankara wants the US to help establish a no-fly zone in northern Syria before it contemplates sending in troops.

    The US counters that there is already a de facto no-fly zone in place. It would like to see Turkey, as a Muslim country and Nato ally, join the international coalition against Isis and to restrict the movement of volunteers from around the world crossing the Turkish border into Syria to join Isis.

    An unnamed US official, quoted in the New York Times, was explicit: “There’s growing angst about Turkey dragging its feet to act to prevent a massacre less than a mile from its border. After all the fulminating about Syria’s humanitarian catastrophe, they’re inventing reasons not to act to avoid another catastrophe.

    “This isn’t how a Nato ally acts while hell is unfolding a stone’s throw from their border.”

    The state department spokeswoman, Jen Psaki, said the US would certainly like to see Turkey do more.

    “Turkey is determining what larger role they’ll play broadly as a part of the coalition moving forward, and that conversation is ongoing,” Psaki said.

    White House spokesman Josh Earnest said the US was concerned about Kobani and coalition air strikes were being stepped up round the city.

    He said Allen would discuss in Ankara Turkey’s “unique capabilities to benefit this broader coalition”. He said he was confident that some of the basic logistical questions would be considered.

    “But yes, there will also be a discussion about what Turkey’s political leadership perceives to be their interest in this region.”


    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/08/us-increasingly-frustrated-turkey-inaction-islamic-state?CMP=twt_gu
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1343 - October 08, 2014, 01:33 PM

    Quote
    If Turkey doesnt allow kurdish reinforcements now, #kobane gonna fall, #RemoveEmbargo NOW


    Courtesy of @cahitstorm
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1344 - October 08, 2014, 01:48 PM

    Quote
    Acc. to Kurdish defence chief for #Kobane, city is not about to fall. "If coalition is serious & helps us more, we can win agnst ISIS"


    Courtesy of @jenanmoussa
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1345 - October 08, 2014, 04:45 PM

    Shucks!

    Turkish police kills at least 19 in clashes with anti-ISIS protesters

    Quote
    Updated at 5:37 pm (GMT +3): Turkish police clashed with thousands of pro-Kurdish demonstrators across the country on Tuesday, as the protesters denounced Turkey's inaction in the fight against jihadists on the Syrian border, leaving at least 19 dead.

    Police fired tear gas and water cannon to disperse demonstrators who burnt cars and tires. Authorities imposed curfews in at least five provinces, the first time such measures have been used widely since the early 1990s, local media said.

    Ten people died in clashes in Diyarbakir, the largest Kurdish city in Turkey's southeast, according to Agriculture Minister Mehdi Eker. In live televised comments, he said an all-day curfew imposed in the city from Tuesday night would be reviewed on Wednesday.

    Pockets of protesters defying the curfew clashed with security forces there later on Wednesday, local media reported.

    Others died in clashes between protesters and police in the eastern provinces of Mus, Siirt and Batman. DHA news agency reported a death toll of 19 from two days of clashes.

    The Istanbul governor's office reported 30 people wounded, including eight police officers, and 98 people detained in "illegal protests" in Turkey's biggest city.

    Thousands of people had joined the demonstrations called by the main pro-Kurdish party, the People's Democratic Party (HDP), against Ankara's failure so far to intervene militarily against Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) jihadists fighting for the Syrian border town of Kobane.

    "I call on Turkish citizens for common sense and calm," Republican People's Party leader Kemal Kilicdaroglu said, speaking to reporters at Izmir Airport on Wednesday.

    Similarly, Turkey's Deputy Prime Minister Numan Kurtulmas said Wednesday that the protests are "unreasonable" and "an invitation for terrorism and violence in Turkey."

    In remarks to press during an official visit in Macedonia, Kurtulmus said "Nobody has the right to disturb the peace and stability in Turkey using developments in a foreign territory as a pretext."

    The protests, which started Monday evening, were in support of the presence of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party, or PKK, in the Syrian town of Kobani.

    Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu has vowed that Turkey will do whatever necessary to prevent the fall of Kobane, also known as Ain al-Arab.

    But Kurds bitterly accuse Ankara of merely looking on as the town risks being overrun by jihadists despite dozens of Turkish tanks being deployed on the border.

    ”Violence will be met with violence”

    Turkish Interior Minister Efkan Ala accused the pro-Kurdish protesters of "betraying their own country" and warned them to disperse or face "unpredictable" consequences.

    "Violence will be met with violence... This irrational attitude should immediately be abandoned and (the protesters) should withdraw from the streets," Ala told reporters in Ankara.

    In Mus, a 25-year-old protester was killed after being struck in the head by a tear gas canister fired by police to disperse the protesters.

    In Diyarbakir, five were killed by gunshots in clashes between pro-Kurdish activists and Islamists.

    Youths in the southeastern town had overnight torched a police vehicle, scores of other vehicles and shops and attacked government offices.

    In Istanbul's Gazi neighborhood, largely populated by Kurds, police used tear gas and water cannons to disperse a protest by several hundred Kurds, an AFP correspondent said.

    Elsewhere in Istanbul, one person was seriously injured after being shot in the head from close range.

    Local authorities ordered a curfew in several Kurdish-majority provinces including Diyarbakir, Mardin, Siirt and Van.

    In a measure unprecedented in the last years, the Turkish army has deployed in the streets of the cities of Diyarbakir, Mardin and Van to impose a curfew.

    Schools were closed in Diyarbakir and fights were cancelled, reports said. The protests had first broken out on Monday night but Tuesday's clashes were more severe.

    Kurds have been particularly irked by the reluctance of Turkish authorities, who are concerned by Kurdish separatism, to allow Kurds over the border to fight ISIS.

    They have warned that the fall of Kobane could mean an end to the peace talks between Ankara and the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), which waged a deadly insurgency in Turkey for the last three decades but has largely observed a ceasefire since last year.

    Jailed PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan said in a message relayed by his brother that the government had until mid-October to show it was serious about the peace process.

    "They (the government) are talking about resolution and negotiation but there is no such thing," he said.

    "This is an artificial situation, we will not be able to continue anymore," said the statement carried by the Firat news agency.

    "The state must take action... Can a peace process make any progress this way?"

    Kurdistan Communities Union (KCK) – considered the urban wing of the mountain-based PKK – called on "millions" to take to the street to protest against what it termed "IS brutality," using an alternative acronym to refer to ISIS.

    (AFP, Al-Akhbar)



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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1346 - October 08, 2014, 04:46 PM

    Time to boot Turkey from NATO?
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1347 - October 08, 2014, 04:49 PM

    Right now I feel like rounding up every nationalist Turk and send them back to Central Asia.

    However that would be unfair to the Central Asians.

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1348 - October 08, 2014, 04:52 PM

    Agreed Nikolaj!

    Feel sad for the Kurds.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1349 - October 08, 2014, 05:06 PM

    Allegedly Kurdish Hezbollah (a Sunni extremist group which in the past has been armed by the Turkish government to fight secular Marxist PKK - not affiliated with the Shiite-led Lebanese group) has attacked PKK in Eastern Turkey with deaths on both sides.

    Rudaw English Facebook-page has reinstated my posting rights! Yay! Got banned without warning for criticising Israel but I threw someone at Rudaw an e-mail and now I can comment again.

    The Norman Finkelstein Facebook-page however deleted a comment I made about ISIS having *SOME* connection to a hardline interpretation of Islam. I even made sure to point out that far most Muslims are lovely people who have a whole other interpretation lipsrsealed

    Kurdish Hezbollah firing on PKK sympathisers - you hear a bullet pass close by the family on the balcony:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcg_CxStwEE

    Discussion on reddit - gory pictures in the tweets:
    http://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/2ilis9/armed_clashes_between_pkk_and_kurdish_hezbollah/

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