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 Topic: If Monotheism's an improvement over polytheism, then Atheism's the best!

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  • Re: If Monotheism's an improvement over polytheism, then Atheism's the best!
     Reply #180 - April 12, 2009, 03:39 PM

    no, gandhi was a muslim, the killers of jews were non muslims and nazi atheist

    There are so many things wrong with this post.

    please explain

    You've already explained your opinion about Gandi, which is if anyone who is more than an agnostic and acts in a good manner can be considered a muslim, even if they don't except the message of Muhammed. But I am confused by the accusation that the Nazi's were atheists, there is nothing in history to suggest that National Socialism has any connection with atheism. On the contrary, Hitler was an admirer of the Mohammedan religion as he called it.
  • Re: If Monotheism's an improvement over polytheism, then Atheism's the best!
     Reply #181 - April 12, 2009, 03:58 PM

    no, gandhi was a muslim, the killers of jews were non muslims and nazi atheist

    There are so many things wrong with this post.

    please explain

     Hitler was an admirer of the Mohammedan religion as he called it.

    I wonder why?

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  • Re: If Monotheism's an improvement over polytheism, then Atheism's the best!
     Reply #182 - April 12, 2009, 04:18 PM

    no, gandhi was a muslim, the killers of jews were non muslims and nazi atheist

    There are so many things wrong with this post.

    please explain

    You've already explained your opinion about Gandi, which is if anyone who is more than an agnostic and acts in a good manner can be considered a muslim, even if they don't except the message of Muhammed. But I am confused by the accusation that the Nazi's were atheists, there is nothing in history to suggest that National Socialism has any connection with atheism. On the contrary, Hitler was an admirer of the Mohammedan religion as he called it.


    in the west many people dont believe in god that include nazis

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: If Monotheism's an improvement over polytheism, then Atheism's the best!
     Reply #183 - April 12, 2009, 04:21 PM

    no, gandhi was a muslim, the killers of jews were non muslims and nazi atheist

    There are so many things wrong with this post.

    please explain

     Hitler was an admirer of the Mohammedan religion as he called it.

    I wonder why?


    white people dont like anything which is not white

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: If Monotheism's an improvement over polytheism, then Atheism's the best!
     Reply #184 - April 12, 2009, 04:30 PM

    no, gandhi was a muslim, the killers of jews were non muslims and nazi atheist

    There are so many things wrong with this post.

    please explain

    You've already explained your opinion about Gandi, which is if anyone who is more than an agnostic and acts in a good manner can be considered a muslim, even if they don't except the message of Muhammed. But I am confused by the accusation that the Nazi's were atheists, there is nothing in history to suggest that National Socialism has any connection with atheism. On the contrary, Hitler was an admirer of the Mohammedan religion as he called it.


    in the west many people dont believe in god that include nazis

    While the west is more secular and overall less religious (something i consider a strength) there is nothing to link Nazism to Atheism. One is a political and racial belief, while the other is a lack of belief.
  • Re: If Monotheism's an improvement over polytheism, then Atheism's the best!
     Reply #185 - April 12, 2009, 04:33 PM

    no, gandhi was a muslim, the killers of jews were non muslims and nazi atheist

    There are so many things wrong with this post.

    please explain

     Hitler was an admirer of the Mohammedan religion as he called it.

    I wonder why?


    white people dont like anything which is not white

    Don't the Brits love curry?
  • Re: If Monotheism's an improvement over polytheism, then Atheism's the best!
     Reply #186 - April 12, 2009, 04:47 PM

    no, gandhi was a muslim, the killers of jews were non muslims and nazi atheist

    There are so many things wrong with this post.

    please explain

     Hitler was an admirer of the Mohammedan religion as he called it.

    I wonder why?


    white people dont like anything which is not white

    Don't the Brits love curry?


    yes, but not religion

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: If Monotheism's an improvement over polytheism, then Atheism's the best!
     Reply #187 - April 12, 2009, 05:02 PM

    no, gandhi was a muslim, the killers of jews were non muslims and nazi atheist

    There are so many things wrong with this post.

    please explain

     Hitler was an admirer of the Mohammedan religion as he called it.

    I wonder why?


    white people dont like anything which is not white

    Don't the Brits love curry?


    yes, but not religion


    Don't most "whites" believe in Christianity? A Religion which is foreign to europe.
  • Re: If Monotheism's an improvement over polytheism, then Atheism's the best!
     Reply #188 - April 12, 2009, 05:05 PM

    no, gandhi was a muslim, the killers of jews were non muslims and nazi atheist

    There are so many things wrong with this post.

    please explain

     Hitler was an admirer of the Mohammedan religion as he called it.

    I wonder why?


    white people dont like anything which is not white

    Don't the Brits love curry?


    yes, but not religion


    Don't most "whites" believe in Christianity? A Religion which is foreign to europe.

    no, christians believe jesus was a white man and 12 apostles

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: If Monotheism's an improvement over polytheism, then Atheism's the best!
     Reply #189 - April 12, 2009, 05:09 PM

    no, gandhi was a muslim, the killers of jews were non muslims and nazi atheist

    There are so many things wrong with this post.

    please explain

    You've already explained your opinion about Gandi, which is if anyone who is more than an agnostic and acts in a good manner can be considered a muslim, even if they don't except the message of Muhammed. But I am confused by the accusation that the Nazi's were atheists, there is nothing in history to suggest that National Socialism has any connection with atheism. On the contrary, Hitler was an admirer of the Mohammedan religion as he called it.


    in the west many people dont believe in god that include nazis

    While the west is more secular and overall less religious (something i consider a strength) there is nothing to link Nazism to Atheism. One is a political and racial belief, while the other is a lack of belief.


    i am sure many nazi dont believe in god

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: If Monotheism's an improvement over polytheism, then Atheism's the best!
     Reply #190 - April 12, 2009, 05:23 PM

    Are you trolling kope? I have a strong suspicion that you are...

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: If Monotheism's an improvement over polytheism, then Atheism's the best!
     Reply #191 - April 12, 2009, 05:41 PM

    no, gandhi was a muslim, the killers of jews were non muslims and nazi atheist

    There are so many things wrong with this post.

    please explain

    You've already explained your opinion about Gandi, which is if anyone who is more than an agnostic and acts in a good manner can be considered a muslim, even if they don't except the message of Muhammed. But I am confused by the accusation that the Nazi's were atheists, there is nothing in history to suggest that National Socialism has any connection with atheism. On the contrary, Hitler was an admirer of the Mohammedan religion as he called it.


    in the west many people dont believe in god that include nazis

    While the west is more secular and overall less religious (something i consider a strength) there is nothing to link Nazism to Atheism. One is a political and racial belief, while the other is a lack of belief.


    i am sure many nazi dont believe in god

    Hitler was a Roman Catholic as were many other high ranking Nazi's(the rest being Protestant). And Cristianity was taught in the Hitler Youth. Also the German army belt buckle at the time reads ?Gott Mit Uns? (English: ?God With Us?). Hitler did have a distaste for Atheists, considering he thought them to be mostly communists.
  • Re: If Monotheism's an improvement over polytheism, then Atheism's the best!
     Reply #192 - April 12, 2009, 05:49 PM

    no, gandhi was a muslim, the killers of jews were non muslims and nazi atheist

    There are so many things wrong with this post.

    please explain

    You've already explained your opinion about Gandi, which is if anyone who is more than an agnostic and acts in a good manner can be considered a muslim, even if they don't except the message of Muhammed. But I am confused by the accusation that the Nazi's were atheists, there is nothing in history to suggest that National Socialism has any connection with atheism. On the contrary, Hitler was an admirer of the Mohammedan religion as he called it.


    in the west many people dont believe in god that include nazis

    While the west is more secular and overall less religious (something i consider a strength) there is nothing to link Nazism to Atheism. One is a political and racial belief, while the other is a lack of belief.


    i am sure many nazi dont believe in god

    Hitler was a Roman Catholic as were many other high ranking Nazi's(the rest being Protestant). And Cristianity was taught in the Hitler Youth. Also the German army belt buckle at the time reads ?Gott Mit Uns? (English: ?God With Us?). Hitler did have a distaste for Atheists, considering he thought them to be mostly communists.



    dont you thing atleast one nazi was an atheist?

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: If Monotheism's an improvement over polytheism, then Atheism's the best!
     Reply #193 - April 12, 2009, 05:52 PM

    Are you trolling kope? I have a strong suspicion that you are...



    what do you mean i am trolling?

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: If Monotheism's an improvement over polytheism, then Atheism's the best!
     Reply #194 - April 12, 2009, 06:00 PM

    Are you trolling kope? I have a strong suspicion that you are...



    what do you mean i am trolling?


    I mean what I wrote, if you're not trolling, I'm sorry.  Smiley

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: If Monotheism's an improvement over polytheism, then Atheism's the best!
     Reply #195 - April 12, 2009, 06:11 PM

    Are you trolling kope? I have a strong suspicion that you are...



    what do you mean i am trolling?


    I mean what I wrote, if you're not trolling, I'm sorry.  Smiley


    no problem

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: If Monotheism's an improvement over polytheism, then Atheism's the best!
     Reply #196 - April 12, 2009, 06:29 PM

    no, gandhi was a muslim, the killers of jews were non muslims and nazi atheist

    There are so many things wrong with this post.

    please explain

    You've already explained your opinion about Gandi, which is if anyone who is more than an agnostic and acts in a good manner can be considered a muslim, even if they don't except the message of Muhammed. But I am confused by the accusation that the Nazi's were atheists, there is nothing in history to suggest that National Socialism has any connection with atheism. On the contrary, Hitler was an admirer of the Mohammedan religion as he called it.


    in the west many people dont believe in god that include nazis

    While the west is more secular and overall less religious (something i consider a strength) there is nothing to link Nazism to Atheism. One is a political and racial belief, while the other is a lack of belief.


    i am sure many nazi dont believe in god

    Hitler was a Roman Catholic as were many other high ranking Nazi's(the rest being Protestant). And Cristianity was taught in the Hitler Youth. Also the German army belt buckle at the time reads ?Gott Mit Uns? (English: ?God With Us?). Hitler did have a distaste for Atheists, considering he thought them to be mostly communists.



    dont you thing atleast one nazi was an atheist?

    Even if one Nazi was an Atheist what does that prove? There were muslim Waffen SS divisions, does this make every muslim a Nazi?
  • Re: If Monotheism's an improvement over polytheism, then Atheism's the best!
     Reply #197 - April 12, 2009, 10:03 PM

    I also think Kope is trolling. The variance in his posts is too great and there have been some major slip-ups. We'll have a talk about this in the staff board.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: If Monotheism's an improvement over polytheism, then Atheism's the best!
     Reply #198 - April 12, 2009, 10:58 PM

    osmanthus


    please tell me if you dont want me to post here

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: If Monotheism's an improvement over polytheism, then Atheism's the best!
     Reply #199 - April 12, 2009, 11:24 PM

    Why are you asking - is it so you can hone your troll behaviour, and come back as an improved incarnation?

    Thats why I aint gonna answer the question.  A inexperienced troll is far better than an experienced one.

    I have my suspicions as to who you are, your posts have given the game away.  Go and do something constructive (you know what I mean Wink)


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  • Re: If Monotheism's an improvement over polytheism, then Atheism's the best!
     Reply #200 - April 13, 2009, 12:49 AM

    Perhaps I can help a teeny weeny bit in explaining Islam, most hopefully in a way which my Christian colleagues don't find objectionable.

    Its not a question of if one is better than three, then zero must be better than one. From a non-religious point of view, monotheism appears to be the culmination of religious thought over centuries. As we know our first attempts at religion were to assign powers to physical phenomenon around us. Thus there were multiple entities who were conferred the power to hurt or help, to whom one could turn for help by the methods of worship or prayer or sacrifice.

    Those interested in the great variety of religious thought among our ancestors from all over the world, should take a look at the abridged version of The Golden Bough by Sir James George Frazer. If one were to make a list of the 100 most influential and scholarly works of the last century, this book would be up there near the top. So if we want to have discussions based on facts and not on conjecture or emotions, we must equip ourselves with knowledge of what is well known about the progression of religious thought.

    Continuing along the non-religious way, we see cohesiveness of all physical phenomenon or "nature" around us. The more we learn about this world, the more we realize it is an unbroken whole. There are no exceptions, there are no conflicts in laws of nature - they apply everywhere. This points to the Oneness of the natural world around us. Thus if there is a Creator, then he is either one, or its a well organized committee (such as three or four or thousands). However, this does not point to any "necessity" of having a Creator, so atheists need not despair.

    I think a main problem why Muslims take issue with Trinity is that in their belief Christ did not teach Trinity, nor did he set himself up as a God worthy of worship. As you know, Muslims too have a claim on Christ. He is part of their faith. Qur'an devotes the most time on Christ, among the many luminaries that it discusses. Christ and Mary are described in perhaps the most glowing terms one can find in literature. Mary is the only woman mentioned in the book. In fact there is a whole chapter named after her.

    Given all that, Muslims feel they have a right to state their position. But no more. And I certainly cannot condone in the deepest parts of my mind any attacks on another person's religion.

    Perhaps given an opportunity I'd like to explain later why objections or criticisms of each other's religion are the most wasteful things we can do with our lives.

    So while we can certainly "fight over" who is right or wrong on this or that subject, we should try to understand the futility of trying to prove "I'm better than you". There are physiological and even evolutionary reasons for that.

    AG

     
  • Re: If Monotheism's an improvement over polytheism, then Atheism's the best!
     Reply #201 - April 13, 2009, 01:40 AM

    well, islam is youngest religion of major religions, islam will grow from now because people want something to guide their life

    Assertion. No evidence to support it. Islam is 1,400 years old. That is hardly young. There are plenty of younger religions around.


    Quote
    sex and free lifestyle does not give them peace of mind.

    Hey, don't knock it. It works for me. Grin


    Think of it as "Paradise on Earth".  And you don't have to die to get there.
  • Re: If Monotheism's an improvement over polytheism, then Atheism's the best!
     Reply #202 - April 13, 2009, 01:43 AM


    evidence of god you can not see because you dont want to



    Kope, I know a guy who believes Elvis is still alive and he rules the universe.

    I told him I don't believe him, because I don't have any evidence of his existence presently.

    He told me "You can't see the evidence because you don't want to."

    That got me thinking, is Elvis still alive then?

    What do you think brother?



    are you kidding me?


    See, that is EXACTLY how/what we think when you talk about allah(jehova/zeus/etc).
  • Re: If Monotheism's an improvement over polytheism, then Atheism's the best!
     Reply #203 - April 13, 2009, 02:02 AM

    Think of it as "Paradise on Earth".  And you don't have to die to get there.

    Awww yeah! dance

    "At 8:47 I do a grenade jump off a ladder."
  • Re: If Monotheism's an improvement over polytheism, then Atheism's the best!
     Reply #204 - April 13, 2009, 04:49 AM

    Perhaps I can help a teeny weeny bit in explaining Islam, most hopefully in a way which my Christian colleagues don't find objectionable.

    Its not a question of if one is better than three, then zero must be better than one. From a non-religious point of view, monotheism appears to be the culmination of religious thought over centuries. As we know our first attempts at religion were to assign powers to physical phenomenon around us. Thus there were multiple entities who were conferred the power to hurt or help, to whom one could turn for help by the methods of worship or prayer or sacrifice.

    Those interested in the great variety of religious thought among our ancestors from all over the world, should take a look at the abridged version of The Golden Bough by Sir James George Frazer. If one were to make a list of the 100 most influential and scholarly works of the last century, this book would be up there near the top. So if we want to have discussions based on facts and not on conjecture or emotions, we must equip ourselves with knowledge of what is well known about the progression of religious thought.

    Continuing along the non-religious way, we see cohesiveness of all physical phenomenon or "nature" around us. The more we learn about this world, the more we realize it is an unbroken whole. There are no exceptions, there are no conflicts in laws of nature - they apply everywhere. This points to the Oneness of the natural world around us. Thus if there is a Creator, then he is either one, or its a well organized committee (such as three or four or thousands). However, this does not point to any "necessity" of having a Creator, so atheists need not despair.
     


    Well, thanks AG.

    BTW, there aren't too many Christians here, extremely few, so your reply needn't be tailor made to fit Christians. Yes, you're right, in a lot of places, polytheistic thoughts have indeed culminated in monotheism, but the journey hasn't been that way everywhere. Buddhism came out of a polytheistic society, it has an agnostic doctrine, it seemed to skip the monotheistic stage. There are still flourishing polytheisms, often in successful societies like Shintoism in Japan, so polytheisms do exist into the modern world.

    While it certainly doesn't mean that if one is better than many, zero must be better than one-much of monotheism's claims of superiority & contempt of polytheism rests on the fact that it assumes that by making God one, it has evolved the idea of a superior God. However, we see that absurdities & superstitions certainly aren't abandoned in monotheism, they only get concentrated in the One God & His Prophet(s), for isntance Islam has stories of djinns, angels, Muhammad on a winged creature, a God dictating a book about inheritance to someone in a Cave & a God violently peeved over idolatry. Thus, since superstitions aren't eliminated, monotheism is in its turn doomed to become atheism by subtracting the last remaining vestige of superstition. If people once found that One God, albeit with certain superstitions, absurdities & oddities makes sense, then No God seems to be making supreme sense!

    I think a main problem why Muslims take issue with Trinity is that in their belief Christ did not teach Trinity, nor did he set himself up as a God worthy of worship. As you know, Muslims too have a claim on Christ. He is part of their faith. Qur'an devotes the most time on Christ, among the many luminaries that it discusses. Christ and Mary are described in perhaps the most glowing terms one can find in literature. Mary is the only woman mentioned in the book. In fact there is a whole chapter named after her.


    I'll again repeat that this is the "Council of ex Muslims," not a "Council of ex Muslim Christians," so none of the ex Muslims here have converted to Christianity, they've simply left faith in its entirety, there're extremely few Christians here.

    As far as "Muslims having a claim on Christ," is concerned, IMO thats' simply not true. For that matter, their claims on Moses aren't valid either. Its just like me saying that I too have a claim on Harry Potter just because I wrote a sequel to Harry Potter's books by J.K Rowling, so I have a right to object to what Rowling writes. dance

    It simply doesn't work that way, "Harry Potter" is J.K. Rowling's story, I am a plagiarizer, I can't write any sequel to it without her explicit permission. Similalrly the OT was a Jewish story, Jesus was Christianity's story, where Christians had liberally plagiarized from the OT too, & Muhammad took both these tales from them.

    At least the Jews gave their verdict to Prophet Muhammad's claims, they refused to accept him as their Messiah, broke pacts with him, for which Muhammad annihilated an entire tribe of Jews', but still kept their stories.  Tongue

    From a non religious point of view, the problem with Islam isn't at all that its an absurd faith, all faiths are absurd, but that it has intolerant teachings.

    For instance Sura IX.5, which says, "Then when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolators wherever you find them, & seige them, & besiege them & lie in ambush for them everywhere but if they repent, take to prayer & render the alms levy(ie if they convert to Islam), allow them to go their way," This is one of the later verses, thus according to the doctrine of abrogation has precedence over the earlier ones.

    Thats' exactly what Prophet Muhammad did, he marched into Mecca, smashed the idolators idols', threatened to kill anyone who came out of their homes to protect their idols, only allowed them to come out after he was done with the smashing & then converted them to Islam.

    While Jews too are strictly monotheistic, they don't impose their views on others, which is how they live in absolute harmony with even idolatrous populations, be it the Indians where they've lived for 2000+ years, or pre Islamic pagans.

    Before Muhammad arrived, Pre Islamic Mecca was a place of great religious tolerance- thats' how Khadija's Uncle Waraqa ibn Nawfal & Muhammad's cousin Ubaydallah ibn Jahsh could freely convert to Christianity, & interfaith marriages were possible too, which is how Jewish Kaab ibn al Ashraf was the son of a Jewish mom, pagan father & was raised as a Jew according to the halacha.

    Jesus Christ(Trinity nothwithstanding  Wink) never forcibly converted anyone, he never marched into a religious place, smashing others' idols & forcibly converting them, nor did he demand Jews pay jizya taxes to him or accept him, slaughtering an entire tribe of Jews' if they refused.

    While Jesus followers were often intolerant, Jesus personally coerced anyone to accept him. The Buddha never forced anyone to accept him either.

    Thus Islam is not anymore absurd than Trinity. In Quran 033. 053, Allah tells Muhammad's followers not to barge into his house, to leave immediately after eating & not linger for small talk afterwards, because such things "annoy" Muhammad, but while Muhammad is shy about complaining, Allah isn't.  Wink

    All this sounds the heights of absurdity, but the problem with Islam isn't absurdity, its the numerous commands in the Quran to fight "unbelievers', the forced conversion of idolators as proclaimed in the Quran & done by its "insaan i kamil" Prophet Muhammad's example, & the subservient status & txes on other Peoples of the Book.

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: If Monotheism's an improvement over polytheism, then Atheism's the best!
     Reply #205 - April 13, 2009, 08:06 AM

    Quote from: AG
    And I certainly cannot condone in the deepest parts of my mind any attacks on another person's religion.

    When those religious feelings call for my death, I am inclined to show very little respect.

    Quote from: AG
    So while we can certainly "fight over" who is right or wrong on this or that subject, we should try to understand the futility of trying to prove "I'm better than you". There are physiological and even evolutionary reasons for that.

    Islam poses a very real threat to my individual rights. Why should I give up the struggle, despite a very real phenomenon of Islamic oppression that I can observe in the entire Islamic landscape?

    Muslims are involved in an everlasting struggle to assert their tribal superiority, which is commonly called Jihad. We may refuse to fight, but Muslims will not. If we refuse to fight fire with fire, steel with steel, and propaganda with propaganda, we will be the next victims of Jihad. Eventually.

    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: If Monotheism's an improvement over polytheism, then Atheism's the best!
     Reply #206 - April 14, 2009, 11:51 PM

    Quote from: AG
    And I certainly cannot condone in the deepest parts of my mind any attacks on another person's religion.

    When those religious feelings call for my death, I am inclined to show very little respect.

    Quote from: AG
    So while we can certainly "fight over" who is right or wrong on this or that subject, we should try to understand the futility of trying to prove "I'm better than you". There are physiological and even evolutionary reasons for that.

    Islam poses a very real threat to my individual rights. Why should I give up the struggle, despite a very real phenomenon of Islamic oppression that I can observe in the entire Islamic landscape?

    Muslims are involved in an everlasting struggle to assert their tribal superiority, which is commonly called Jihad. We may refuse to fight, but Muslims will not. If we refuse to fight fire with fire, steel with steel, and propaganda with propaganda, we will be the next victims of Jihad. Eventually.


    Well said, and seconded.  thnkyu
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