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  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #60 - June 06, 2009, 07:12 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on June 06, 2009, 07:10 PM
    Why did God set things up that way?


    do you mean why did god made hell?
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    the clash of civilization.

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  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #61 - June 06, 2009, 07:13 PM
    Quote from: kope on June 06, 2009, 07:12 PM
    do you mean why did god made hell?


    No.  I mean why did God set things up the way they are - life being a test, etc?
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #62 - June 06, 2009, 07:13 PM
    Quote from: kope on June 06, 2009, 07:05 PM
    we are not god's robots, god gave us free will that mean we have a choice to do good and bad and our choice let to heaven or hell




    No, we do not have free will.  It is shocking to me that you can not see this, that you still think free will exists when we are only acting out a script.

    Actors do not have free will, they are stuck within the lines and the role they must play.  They can be potrayed as the bad guy, or the good guy, either way they are playing out a part.  They can not change the script (without permission of course) and suddenly play the good guy if their role was the bad guy.


    Well allah is the director, the script writer, the producer, the role caster, he is in control and he has given us a script to play out, one that was written into a book at 40 days of life in our mothers wombs.

    This is not free will, it is acting.
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #63 - June 06, 2009, 07:15 PM
    Quote from: kope on June 06, 2009, 07:12 PM
    do you mean why did god made hell?


    No I mean why did God give us free will and why does he test us with pain and suffering?

    The question is what is God getting out of all this drama and conflict.

    So just try to focus and really think about this for a while: Why did God set things up (with free will/pain/suffering) the way you say that he did?
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #64 - June 06, 2009, 07:25 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on June 06, 2009, 07:13 PM
    No, we do not have free will.  It is shocking to me that you can not see this, that you still think free will exists when we are only acting out a script.

    Actors do not have free will, they are stuck within the lines and the role they must play.  They can be potrayed as the bad guy, or the good guy, either way they are playing out a part.  They can not change the script (without permission of course) and suddenly play the good guy if their role was the bad guy.


    Well allah is the director, the script writer, the producer, the role caster, he is in control and he has given us a script to play out, one that was written into a book at 40 days of life in our mothers wombs.

    This is not free will, it is acting.



    your broblem is you dont want to understand in a proper way for your own agenda

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #65 - June 06, 2009, 07:26 PM
    And your problem is that you can't answer the question.   Tongue
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #66 - June 06, 2009, 07:26 PM
    Quote from: kope on June 06, 2009, 07:25 PM

    your broblem is you dont want to understand in a proper way for your own agenda




    No, I think that's your problem, but then again this is just the age old arguement between those that believe in delusions and those that don't.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #67 - June 06, 2009, 07:28 PM
    Quote from: allat on June 06, 2009, 07:15 PM
    No I mean why did God give us free will and why does he test us with pain and suffering?

    The question is what is God getting out of all this drama and conflict.

    So just try to focus and really think about this for a while: Why did God set things up (with free will/pain/suffering) the way you say that he did?



    are you saying pain/suffering on earth or hell?
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #68 - June 06, 2009, 07:31 PM
    Quote from: kope on June 06, 2009, 07:28 PM

    are you saying pain/suffering on earth or hell?


    Anywhere, everywhere. Can you not answer the question? You keep deflecting it.

    I'll state it again. Do think about the actual question. It's not very complicated: Why did God set things up (with free will/pain/suffering) the way you say that he did?
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #69 - June 06, 2009, 07:43 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on June 06, 2009, 07:13 PM
    No.  I mean why did God set things up the way they are - life being a test, etc?


    well , before god created humans he created angels ie robots who could not harm nor do good

    than god created human with free will who could harm or do good to other. so god say if this human do good by their own choice i will reward them or i will punish them for hurting other humans
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #70 - June 06, 2009, 07:45 PM
    Quote from: kope on June 06, 2009, 07:43 PM
    well , before god created humans he created angels ie robots who could not harm nor do good

    than god created human with free will who could harm or do good to other. so god say if this human do good by their own choice i will reward them or i will punish them for hurting other humans


    Again, WHY? Why does God do all that?
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #71 - June 06, 2009, 07:50 PM
    Quote from: allat on June 06, 2009, 07:31 PM
    Anywhere, everywhere. Can you not answer the question? You keep deflecting it.

    I'll state it again. Do think about the actual question. It's not very complicated: Why did God set things up (with free will/pain/suffering) the way you say that he did?



    god can do anything he like, no pain, no hell, even he can forgive atheists and hitler and reward paradise
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #72 - June 06, 2009, 07:52 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on June 06, 2009, 07:26 PM
    No, I think that's your problem, but then again this is just the age old arguement between those that believe in delusions and those that don't.




    how can you tell you are not deluted?
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #73 - June 06, 2009, 07:54 PM
    Quote from: kope on June 06, 2009, 07:50 PM
    god can do anything he like, no pain, no hell, even he can forgive atheists and hitler and reward paradise


    You're still not answering the question.

    I didn't ask you what god can or cannot do. I asked you WHY has he set things up with all this human testing, pain and suffering.

    It's ok, I understand you can't answer it. Think about it if you want, and if someday you actually understand the question and find an answer, please let me know.
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #74 - June 06, 2009, 07:55 PM
    Quote from: allat on June 06, 2009, 07:45 PM
    Again, WHY? Why does God do all that?



    he does what he like
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #75 - June 06, 2009, 07:57 PM
    Quote from: kope on June 06, 2009, 07:55 PM
    he does what he like


    So he likes seeing his creations suffer?
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #76 - June 06, 2009, 08:00 PM
    I have a theory that we are created by God, but it is a baby God!

    Obviously, God's creation is not at all perfect. Think about it! Disease, Hunger, Pain, Disasters, Children suffering, and the creation flop of a hermaphrodites (Buck Angel!), I mean girls with penises and boys with breasts etc This could never be a creation of an Adult God....

    Actually, this will answer the oldest question: Who created God? Well, Mama and Papa God, and then Grandparents Gods all the way down! whistling2
    ...
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #77 - June 06, 2009, 08:00 PM
    Quote from: kope on June 06, 2009, 07:50 PM

    god can do anything he like, no pain, no hell, even he can forgive atheists and hitler and reward paradise


    Yes, we know.  We know God can do what he likes, we are not asking you what God can do, we are asking you why he does what he does do.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #78 - June 06, 2009, 08:01 PM
    Quote from: allat on June 06, 2009, 07:57 PM
    So he likes seeing his creations suffer?



    no, he made paradise for us
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #79 - June 06, 2009, 08:03 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on June 06, 2009, 08:00 PM
    Yes, we know.  We know God can do what he likes, we are not asking you what God can do, we are asking you why he does what he does do.

    because he can

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #80 - June 06, 2009, 08:03 PM
    Quote from: kope on June 06, 2009, 08:01 PM
    no, he made paradise for us


    So a baby born with deformities or a genetic disease, or millions of people living in horrible pain and disease and dying from hunger and wars they didn't do anything to cause, all those are not suffering?

    Does god like seeing them suffer? Are they not his creations?
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #81 - June 06, 2009, 08:05 PM
    Quote from: kope on June 06, 2009, 08:03 PM
    because he can


    So he is sadistic.

    A child that tortures other children or animals just because he can is called sadistic. He might be sociopathic and a menace to society.

    And that's what your god is like? He creates a situation where billions of humans will suffer because he can?

    And you worship this?
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #82 - June 06, 2009, 08:28 PM
    Quote from: allat on June 06, 2009, 08:05 PM
    So he is sadistic.

    A child that tortures other children or animals just because he can is called sadistic. He might be sociopathic and a menace to society.

    And that's what your god is like? He creates a situation where billions of humans will suffer because he can?

    And you worship this?



    life is not all bad i am thankful to god for creating me and hopefully one day we will be in better place
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #83 - June 06, 2009, 08:40 PM
    Quote from: kope on June 06, 2009, 08:28 PM
    life is not all bad i am thankful to god for creating me and hopefully one day we will be in better place


    What if you were one of the billions of people affected by disease, famine, violence? Would you think the same way? Why does your god make life in a way that so many people will suffer, just because he can? Are you fine with worshipping someone so sadistic towards so many? What does that say about you?
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #84 - June 06, 2009, 08:48 PM
    Quote from: allat on June 06, 2009, 08:40 PM
    What if you were one of the billions of people affected by disease, famine, violence? Would you think the same way? Why does your god make life in a way that so many people will suffer, just because he can? Are you fine with worshipping someone so sadistic towards so many? What does that say about you?



    i have been one of those victim, at least we believers and atheists's childrean have hope for better life hereafter
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #85 - June 06, 2009, 08:52 PM
    Quote from: kope on June 06, 2009, 08:48 PM
    i have been one of those victim, at least we believers and atheists's childrean have hope for better life hereafter


    You were a victim of something you didn't do anything to deserve? And you think God's testing your faith to see if you're good or not. What about him? Is he good or not for putting you and billions and billions and billions of us in this situation in the first place?
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #86 - June 06, 2009, 08:59 PM
    Quote from: allat on June 06, 2009, 08:52 PM
    You were a victim of something you didn't do anything to deserve? And you think God's testing your faith to see if you're good or not. What about him? Is he good or not for putting you and billions and billions and billions of us in this situation in the first place?



    let say god is monster as you say what choice we have to change that?
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #87 - June 06, 2009, 09:05 PM
    Quote from: kope on June 06, 2009, 08:59 PM
    let say god is monster as you say what choice we have to change that?


    If god is a monster, why worship him?

    Is it more possible that god is a monster or that god is an idea created by human beings, an idea which causes humans to surrender themselves to the will of other humans who claim to speak for god?
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #88 - June 06, 2009, 09:11 PM
    Quote from: allat on June 06, 2009, 09:05 PM
    If god is a monster, why worship him?





    if he exits how can i deny it?


    Quote
    Is it more possible that god is a monster or that god is an idea created by human beings, an idea which causes humans to surrender themselves to the will of other humans who claim to speak for god?



    i dont have broblem even if god does not exits to do good in his name
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #89 - June 06, 2009, 09:18 PM
    Quote from: kope on June 06, 2009, 09:11 PM
    if he exits how can i deny it?
    i dont have broblem even if god does not exits to do good in his name


    So, you're willing to worship a monster?

    I agree that with or without god, the only thing that truly matters is for humans to try and do good. And I'd define good as anything that doesn't actually hurt another sentient being.

    However, by the same measure, the god most religious people believe in, is actually not very good at all. And I see no reason to worship a sadist.

    All that said, there is actually no evidence of "god" besides a few religious books and their lofty claims; texts which are themselves imperfect, man-made, and full of inconsistencies and cruelties.

    To quote Epicurus:

    Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
    Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
    Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
    Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
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