Re: What is the most secular & sexually liberal country in the world?
Reply #77 - December 21, 2009, 04:24 AM
Liberal society and culture is what causes much of the resentments, anxiety and self-alienation amongst Muslims living in the UK, and in Europe and elsewhere too. They see it as an affront to the natural order - the natural order of Islam with its communality, strictly delineated gender roles, strictly defined sexual choice and laws of marriage and life partners, erotic and marital independance, the centrality of the control of the patriarch, and it manifests itself in the rage and disgust of many Muslims, Muslim ideologues, in the clashes of culture, the clashes of desire between sons / daughters and mothers and fathers.
It expresses itself in many ways - a disgust with liberal society and culture, a visceral disgust, expressed as repulsion for certain aspects of kuffar society. It leads to the exagerrated sense of grievance and self-alienation that they project onto kuffar society.
The UK is a great place, with a strong liberal tradition, freedom of religion, free speech, with a strong sense of fair play, a strong secular space, a self-reflecting society that is self-critical and self-correcting. Its not perfect, but then nowhere is, not even America. Liberal societies are all about striving to perfect themselves in increments and through change and innovation, about balancing rights and responsibilities, about keeping alive the idea of freedom and liberal society - the strive to make a more perfect society is unceasing, will never be achieved, but the journey there makes the society what it is.
Islam teaches that it is already perfect, that perfection has been reached, that all else is false, in a state of flux, or simply in a state of ignorance and backwardness until it sees the correct path that is submission-perfection, Islam. And that is why so much traction arises between Islam and free, liberal, secular, democratic societies in which women are equal in law, and Jews and polytheists and gays and atheists alike are accorded respect, dignity and equality. That really freaks the life out of Muslims.
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Topic: What is the most secular & sexually liberal country in the world?