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  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #90 - March 31, 2010, 09:41 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on March 31, 2010, 09:36 PM
    C'mon AW - that's a pretty nasty God you got there.



    But what does that mean if you are his creation? If he exists, what do our mental constructions mean?
    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #91 - March 31, 2010, 09:42 PM
    Quote from: Arab-Wannabe on March 31, 2010, 09:38 PM
    Come on Hassan, he didnt say anything about my god on that one.


    Sorry, I may have missed something - the God of Job is the same God in the Qur'an - no?
  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #92 - March 31, 2010, 09:43 PM
    Quote from: Arab-Wannabe on March 31, 2010, 09:41 PM
    But what does that mean if you are his creation? If he exists, what do our mental constructions mean?


    It means he sounds like a cruel tyrant - and it means that I have a better opinion of God - if there is one!
  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #93 - March 31, 2010, 09:43 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on March 31, 2010, 09:40 PM
    Awww.. did I hoit your prophet's feelings?  

    Musulmans, tho thensitive. Cheesy

    Hey, isn't it asr time? Time to bend over for Mo! Just do it


    No I mean, you forgot to mention the pedophilia and the camel piss.

    Then again, there is plenty of other material. May I suggest alternating between watersports an actual camel fucking? maybe throw in some necrophilia for shock value (not that there;s any need)
    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #94 - March 31, 2010, 09:44 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on March 31, 2010, 09:42 PM
    Sorry, I may have missed something - the God of Job is the same God in the Qur'an - no?


    Not I mean he was referring to me
    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #95 - March 31, 2010, 09:46 PM
    Quote from: Arab-Wannabe on March 31, 2010, 09:44 PM
    Not I mean he was referring to me


    Oh OK - this thread is moving to quick for me and I'm very tired - nighty night!
  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #96 - March 31, 2010, 09:46 PM
    Quote from: Arab-Wannabe on March 31, 2010, 09:43 PM
    No I mean, you forgot to mention the pedophilia and the camel piss.

    Then again, there is plenty of other material. May I suggest alternating between watersports an actual camel fucking? maybe throw in some necrophilia for shock value (not that there;s any need)


    Oh jesus, you're not even good at trolling. 015

    Anyways, I think you should be doing some dhikr bro, all this chat with atheists is not good 4 u.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #97 - March 31, 2010, 09:49 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on March 31, 2010, 09:43 PM
    It means he sounds like a cruel tyrant - and it means that I have a better opinion of God - if there is one!


    Sure, but this is how we want him to be. This is how our constructions limit him whereas the idea is to fully submit, no matter what.

    That is the lesson, not just of Islam, of all religions. Think of Abraham;s sacrifice, really think about it. I know I dont need to explain this to you since you;ve already gone through the process of rationally rejecting the value of this path but this is basically it.
    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #98 - March 31, 2010, 09:51 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on March 31, 2010, 09:46 PM
    Oh jesus, you're not even good at trolling. 015

    Anyways, I think you should be doing some dhikr bro, all this chat with atheists is not good 4 u.


    Im dhikering as we speak
    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #99 - March 31, 2010, 09:52 PM
    Quote from: Arab-Wannabe on March 31, 2010, 09:49 PM
    Sure, but this is how we want him to be. This is how our constructions limit him whereas the idea is to fully submit, no matter what.

    That is the lesson, not just of Islam, of all religions. Think of Abraham;s sacrifice, really think about it. I know I dont need to explain this to you since you;ve already gone through the process of rationally rejecting the value of this path but this is basically it.


    Yeah, and if you were worshipping a celestial teapot, you would get much the same reaction.  Nothing.  And you would never be any the wiser.
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  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #100 - March 31, 2010, 09:55 PM
    Quote from: Arab-Wannabe on March 31, 2010, 09:43 PM
    maybe throw in some necrophilia for shock value (not that there;s any need)


    Well, funny you should mention that. Here's a video by an Arab fella in America who talks about necrophilia and Mo:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i8NV-I11Q0

    In order of reference he talks about: tongue sucking, breasts, weaning babies, and necrophilia. All about how Mo and his  paraphilia.

    I can't count for the veracity of it all, maybe some others can cross reference it, but its certainly startling. Watch the video, he's an Arab dude and gives references and translations himself  Afro

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #101 - March 31, 2010, 09:58 PM
    Well if the celestial teapot comes out with a code and a book outlining this code then proceeds to fundamentally change the course of history then....count me in, playa!




    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #102 - March 31, 2010, 09:59 PM
    Thanks for that, Im glad he;s an arab dude so that I can be sure he;s not mucking up the translations.

    Im thinking only cannibalism is left, any thoughts?
    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #103 - March 31, 2010, 10:01 PM
    Quote
    Thanks for that, Im glad he;s an arab dude so that I can be sure he;s not mucking up the translations.

    Im thinking only cannibalism is left, any thoughts?


    I wouldn't put it past him  Grin

    Seriously dude, don't you feel icky that your prophet was such a pervert and creep?

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #104 - March 31, 2010, 10:04 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on March 31, 2010, 09:40 PM
    You were the one making out Job might have the answer, not us.


    Sorry Islame, I didnt see that one.

    There;s no answer, thats the answer that God gives to Job. Or rather, he doesnt have to explain himself, he;s the creator and Job is the creation.
    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #105 - March 31, 2010, 10:10 PM
    Quote from: Arab-Wannabe on March 31, 2010, 09:58 PM
    Well if the celestial teapot comes out with a code and a book outlining this code then proceeds to fundamentally change the course of history then....count me in, playa!

    You might want to also take a look at the Vedas & Argumentum ad Populum
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  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #106 - March 31, 2010, 10:11 PM
    Quote from: billy on March 31, 2010, 10:01 PM
    I wouldn't put it past him  Grin

    Seriously dude, don't you feel icky that your prophet was such a pervert and creep?




    I feel real sticky icky icky. Ooh wee.

    Seriously I dont, prophets aside, no one rejects democracy on the basis that Greek philosophers were slave owners, racists, sexist, pedophiles etc. No one reject judaism because of Mose;s behavior, same for hinduism and others. Morals are constantly evolving, things taken for granted now were deviations 50 years ago just as your current moral code will be considered old-fashioned in 30 years and barbaric in 300.

    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #107 - March 31, 2010, 10:13 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on March 31, 2010, 10:10 PM
    You might want to also take a look at the Vedas & Argumentum ad Populum


    4 billion people cant be wrong, Islame. Whoever came out with out with Logical fallacies was a lone nut (and therefore irrelevant in terms of absolute numbers)
    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #108 - March 31, 2010, 10:18 PM
    Quote from: Arab-Wannabe on March 31, 2010, 10:13 PM
    4 billion people cant be wrong, Islame.

    Of course they can.  There was a time when everyone thought the world was flat.  There was a time when everyone beleived in polytheism. 
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  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #109 - March 31, 2010, 10:21 PM
    Quote from: Arab-Wannabe on March 31, 2010, 10:11 PM
    I feel real sticky icky icky. Ooh wee.

    Seriously I dont, prophets aside, no one rejects democracy on the basis that Greek philosophers were slave owners, racists, sexist, pedophiles etc. No one reject judaism because of Mose;s behavior, same for hinduism and others. Morals are constantly evolving, things taken for granted now were deviations 50 years ago just as your current moral code will be considered old-fashioned in 30 years and barbaric in 300.


    Democracy doesn't demand reverence at the point of death for the Greek philosophers. Islam demands it, and eternal obeisance, grovelling and boot licking for Mo. Or else.

    So, your comparisons are irrelevant.

    And seriously, your prophet's actions don't make you feel queasy  Huh?

    Oh yeah, blind faith, Job and all that, don't question anything, just obey.





    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #110 - March 31, 2010, 10:22 PM
    Quote from: Arab-Wannabe on March 31, 2010, 09:58 PM
    Well if the celestial teapot comes out with a code and a book outlining this code then proceeds to fundamentally change the course of history then....count me in, playa!


    You mean the stone age bedouin penal code called the Quran, right?

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #111 - March 31, 2010, 10:29 PM
    Quote from: billy on March 31, 2010, 10:21 PM
    Democracy doesn't demand reverence at the point of death for the Greek philosophers. Islam demands it, and eternal obeisance, grovelling and boot licking for Mo. Or else.

    So, your comparisons are irrelevant.



    No they;re not, they're all ideologies. And no one worships a human being who by definition is imperfect.

    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #112 - March 31, 2010, 10:34 PM
    Quote
    No they;re not, they're all ideologies. And no one worships a human being who by definition is imperfect.


    No - they are not comparable. They are completely different. Didn't you get what I said? Nobody enforces obeisance and reverence for the Greek philosphers upon pain of death. You can say what you like about them, nobody will kill you or threaten to kill you. And democracy has developed over thousands of years through incremental advances, collective action, and individual intellectual contributions. It isn't comparable to Islam in any way, shape or form. All Islam has to offer is its own wailing assertion of itself.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #113 - March 31, 2010, 10:36 PM
    Quote from: billy on March 31, 2010, 10:34 PM
    All Islam has to offer is its own wailing assertion of itself.

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  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #114 - March 31, 2010, 10:38 PM
    Quote
    Sig-Worthy


    OK, but I was about to edit it and change it to this:


    All Islam has to offer is its own wailing assertion of its enclosed, insular, resentful self
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #115 - March 31, 2010, 10:40 PM
    nah, thats overkill Wink
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  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #116 - March 31, 2010, 10:41 PM

    STFU  Angry
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #117 - March 31, 2010, 10:43 PM
    Quote from: billy on March 31, 2010, 10:34 PM
    No - they are not comparable. They are completely different. Didn't you get what I said? Nobody enforces obeisance and reverence for the Greek philosphers upon pain of death. You can say what you like about them, nobody will kill you or threaten to kill you. And democracy has developed over thousands of years through incremental advances, collective action, and individual intellectual contributions. It isn't comparable to Islam in any way, shape or form. All Islam has to offer is its own wailing assertion of itself.


    +1

    Comparing a static, divine and backwards cult like Islam to the secular work-in-progrsess of Liberal Democracy has to be the worst point any musulman has made on CEMB so far. According to AW, democracy has not at all changed since ancient greece. Grin
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #118 - March 31, 2010, 10:54 PM
    For practical purposes though, its not Arab-Wannabe's that are a threat.  For all practical purposes he probably leads does one or a few of these : leads a secular life, might marry a kaffir, smokes pot, drinks and never really practises apart from believing that there maybe one god out there.

    The AbuYounus's are the problem - the educated lot who still hold a romanticised view of Islam, and in effect are holding back its progress with pictures of Malcolm X on their bedroom walls. 

    The ones who on paper dont accept the hadith, yet in practise send their kids to learn quran by some preaching Mullah who in his second breath starts calling Kaffirs and splicing of a piece of their babies penis when its born. 

    Its the ones that see ignorance & gullability as a virtue, and will teach the same to their children, who are leaving the problem to stay dormant for a generation rather than making changes from within.
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  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #119 - March 31, 2010, 10:57 PM
    Who do you think is more likely to eventually blow himself up? Arab-Wannabe or AbuYunus? Fact is, half the terrorists are loose tribalistic musulmans like AW - probably a convert too. AbuYunus migh let the beast of Islam lie dormat but he himself is a good person and more open-minded and docile than 99% of Muslims.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

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