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 Topic: Top Ex-Muslim Myths

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  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #270 - April 01, 2010, 11:58 PM

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  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #271 - April 02, 2010, 12:15 AM


    Take Beer  Afro

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #272 - April 02, 2010, 12:27 AM



    Maybe he is interested in the mythology of Mohammad's erections  Huh?


    You don't think it's odd that a man can be sexually aroused by the sight of a little nine year old girl?? We should all just say, doo doo doo, just ignore that and whistle???
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #273 - April 02, 2010, 12:47 AM

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    You don't think it's odd that a man can be sexually aroused by the sight of a little nine year old girl?? We should all just say, doo doo doo, just ignore that and whistle???


    The dangers of diving in head first in the shallow end of the pool  Grin





    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #274 - April 02, 2010, 01:27 AM

    Well by calling it 'wife-beating' or if we are to involve the issue of children here (because they get the same kind of treatment) 'child-beating' is to refer to these practices negatively (aside from the bro's obvious negative inflection).

    So would you think it preferable if we were to refer to the practice in positive terms? Sounds great. I'm sure it will lead to greater understanding.  Roll Eyes

    Look mate, seriously, if someone beats their wife why the bloody hell should it not be called "wife beating"? You really are taking political correctness to ludicrous extremes.


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    To make the point even further, Muslims dislike the term 'beating' in regard to this issue. They feel that this is an old english way of saying 'hit' and don't like that it is used in translations of the Quran. The point is the language we use to describe a practice by itself begins an argument (often) on one side of the issue or the other.

    So what? Why should anyone care if Muslims dislike the term? The relevant point is whether it is an accurate description. Yes, it is a way of saying "hit". That is what the Quran says: "hit them".

    You can't insist on a grovelling reluctance to say anything offensive about any practice, and then turn around and accuse people of being full of hatred when they call your position ridiculous. Well ok, you can, but you'll look pretty silly.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #275 - April 02, 2010, 01:40 AM

    Awesome.  Let's all use euphemisms.  I wasn't beating my wife I was correcting her behavior.  I wasn't killing the infidel, it was a premature termination of an adherent of a foreign faith.  This is like Orwell to the extreme.

    Exactly. Orwellian is a good way of putting it. Basically, anyone who wont use honest terms to describe things is not interested in honest discussion.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #276 - April 02, 2010, 01:47 AM

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    So would you think it preferable if we were to refer to the practice in positive terms? Sounds great. I'm sure it will lead to greater understanding.  

    Look mate, seriously, if someone beats their wife why the bloody hell should it not be called "wife beating"? You really are taking political correctness to ludicrous extremes.


    No I'm not saying you must use a positive term. You are claiming that Islam allows wives to be 'beaten'. Beaten with what? A miswak? You may find Islam's teaching about hitting silly and offensive but it certainly isn't advocating that you 'beat' your wife, 'beat' as we understand it in our everyday English is pretty harsh. You guys are misrepresenting Islam left and right.

    Going back to the pedophile issue, give me a piece of reasoning (r---> c) to look at, that is SOUND, that will allow me to conclude that Muhammad was a pedophile. If you can't do that your claim is without merit. That is the bottom line.
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #277 - April 02, 2010, 02:05 AM

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  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #278 - April 02, 2010, 02:05 AM

    no fluff talk lol

    Yep, and then you send another post full of fluff talk.

    Well ok, but I'd have to look up the ahadith and I'm not sure if I want to put the time into doing that.

    More like you know that no such hadiths exist and if you do look you will be wasting your time. Hence you will continue to justify your respect for mo without any evidence and despite evidence to the contrary, because you are still a musalman or suffering from islam stockhold syndrome.

    1) Aisha does describe her sex life with Muhammad, in some detail. What is interesting about this is that in these reports she is menstruating. She isn't describing sex with him as a child, she is describing sex with him some time later, probably a few years later (the avg age for menstruation to begin is 12 years old). There are some surrounding events (sometimes) that we can look at to help us figure out what year it was.

    First off, menstruation does not make you a woman. Like berbs posted here, a girl as young as 9 like her niece can menstruate. This does not mean you are not a pedophile if you have feelings for a 9 year old child who is menstruating.

    You are intentionally/unintentionally making a mistake by assuming that because she is menstruating, it means she is 18 years old. She could also have been 9-11 years old in those hadiths, and there is more reason to believe she was.

    And also, there are other hadiths present which show that she moved in with M after they had sex while she was 9, hence its obvious and highly probable that they continued to have sex while she was 9.

    2) Toward the end of Muhammad's life he was requesting to be with Aisha more. This was especially so, I am sure you will remember, during his dying days. But it actually began well before this, after he had a bunch of wives, they would comment on how he would ask to skip nights, or one of them said she voluntarily gave up her night to Aisha because that pleased Muhammad. Muhammad wasnt married to all of these women until later on, thus Aisha would have been older and no longer a child.

    Ayesha had always been M's favorite wife even from before his death. His other wives WERE skipping their turns for her long before his death. You haven't proven that ayesha was no longer a child during that time.

    Btw the avg age for puberty in girls is 10.5. So if Muhammad married Aisha at 9 or 10, and Fatima was possibly given away this young,

    Why are you making this assumption that fatima was given away that young? I told you - no fluff talk, show hadiths when you make claims like this.

    and Aisha was on course to marry someone at that age, we are starting to see a pattern where the Arabs of Muhammad's time would marry the girls right at the end of childhood. ....


    The definition of pedophelia is being sexually attracted to young children. For the 100000th time, because M had sex with her at 9, he was able to get an erection for her when she was 9, and because she moved in with him and remained his favorite wife throughout his life, this proves that he had sexual feelings for her while she was a child. That is all that is needed to qualify him as a pedo.

    The only reason you won't admit this plain, obvious fact is because you are suffering from islam stockhold syndrome or you are a musalman troll.
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #279 - April 02, 2010, 02:10 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3taEuL4EHAg
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #280 - April 02, 2010, 02:16 AM

    lol you cant use Hassan's comeback as your own
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #281 - April 02, 2010, 02:17 AM

    Orwellian? lol. You guys are unbelievable. I'm not using 'honest' terms? Are these your only arguments against Islam or something? Is that the problem here? (I know, the problem here is me right? lol) Both the 'beating' and 'pedophile' issues are like 5 min issues. We only have a handful of text on each issue and can only go so far with it. And I love that from my first post on this forum I've been patronized. Then we don't get too far before the name-calling starts. Am I talking to teenagers?

    I'm going to really try to resist repeating myself on this thread. If you want to convince me that Muhammad was a pedophile, offer me a simple line of logic (r---> c), that is SOUND, and we will call it a day. Otherwise, like I said before, you are making a baseless claim.

    Good day. : )


    Muhammad was sexually attracted ( able to achieve an erection and actually commit to having sex) to a 9 year old girl ---- leads to --------> Muhammad was a pedophile, or at least partook in a pedophilic act.  A leads to B


    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #282 - April 02, 2010, 02:33 AM

    Orwellian? lol. You guys are unbelievable. I'm not using 'honest' terms? Are these your only arguments against Islam or something? Is that the problem here? (I know, the problem here is me right? lol) Both the 'beating' and 'pedophile' issues are like 5 min issues. We only have a handful of text on each issue and can only go so far with it. And I love that from my first post on this forum I've been patronized. Then we don't get too far before the name-calling starts. Am I talking to teenagers?

    I'm going to really try to resist repeating myself on this thread. If you want to convince me that Muhammad was a pedophile, offer me a simple line of logic (r---> c), that is SOUND, and we will call it a day. Otherwise, like I said before, you are making a baseless claim.

    Good day. : )

    That's right: you are not using honest terms. It's your choice, not ours. Don't try and offload it onto others.

    I also have to point out that you were somewhat patronising from the start, so it is rather hypocritical of you to accuse others of being patronising when they disagree with you.

    You should also be aware by now that the issues of sex with a nine year old girl and the Quran's sanctioning of wife beating (with no additions about miswaks or lightly) are only two of the arguments against Islam. I fail to see how you could have been hanging around here for days and not have known that, so I also cannot see why you would suggest that these two issues might be the only ones.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #283 - April 02, 2010, 03:15 AM

    self deleted

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #284 - April 02, 2010, 04:55 AM


    You have a habit of dodging issues and blaming it on not understanding culture, even when this has nothing to do with it. You keep making up excuses without backing them up, you ignore some of the severe problems of child marriage and think they don't exist in certain societies when all research shows they do. All of the issues I discussed are as relevant in Mo's time as they are now. You are an insult to many young wives out there who have no idea what the hell is going on and why some dirty ol' perv insists on shoving his cock inside them when they didn't ask for it.


    +1 to this, exactly my thoughts
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #285 - April 02, 2010, 04:59 AM

    The question was, 'Was Muhammad a Pedophile?', meaning was he sexually attracted to children, i.e., was this his motive in marrying Aisha?

    Man,  his motive for the marriage could have been to cure cancer from the world but if he had sex with her while she was 9 that shows he was a ped. End of story. The motive for the wedding means jack, the only thing that is relavant to whether he was a ped or not was whether he was able to repeatedly get a stiffy for a 9 year old or not.
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #286 - April 02, 2010, 05:11 AM


    troll
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #287 - April 02, 2010, 05:20 AM

    IM, what is wrong with admitting that Mohammed had sex with a child as an adult (by definition, this is called pedo [children] + philia [love/attraction for] = Pedophilia]

    All words are invented, and reinvented.

    The word homosexual was invented in the late 19th century. Does that mean there were no homosexuals or people engaging in homosexual acts before? No. It means that those acts were called something else or were indistinguishable IN LANGUAGE from other acts.

    Now, we say Alexander the Great was bisexual. Was there the word "Bisexual" back then? No. It was the norm for both men and women to engage in sex with people of both genders. Then came the sexual repression of Christianity which enforced its own puritanism that any sex not performed expressly for procreation was illegal/immoral. Thus began the privatization of bisexuality, homosexuality, promiscuity, etc.

    Now, pedophilia was practiced by numerous cultures all over the world, of course, nobody can deny that who studies anthropology or history.

    However, IM, there are many different scholars within Anthropology who have different perspectives on these things too. While cultural relativism is encouraged to counteract the formerly prevalent Euro-centric attitudes among anthropologists of the past, we have to also remember that anthropology is not a reductionist social science. And cultural relativism is only tolerated up to a certain extent. There is in contemporary anthropological studies, a strong and conspicuous undercurrent of examining, analyzing and challenging the underlying politics of the cultures we are in, and other cultures. Why should critical analysis be applied only on some people but not on others?

    The bottom line is, do you think your position gains credibility by flat out denying the documented fact that Mohammed married and had sex with a child? What would it mean to accept that he did, and say that that denies any special status for him, and he was a product of his time.

    Why does he have to be considered saintly, infallible and incapable of doing anything wrong?

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #288 - April 02, 2010, 05:29 AM

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  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #289 - April 02, 2010, 05:31 AM

    link fail, which pretty much symbolizes IslamicMythology in this entire thread

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #290 - April 02, 2010, 05:51 AM

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  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #291 - April 02, 2010, 05:52 AM

    link fail, which pretty much symbolizes IslamicMythology in this entire thread

    agreed.
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #292 - April 02, 2010, 05:53 AM

    FYI its a rick roll video. Can we ban this troll now?
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #293 - April 02, 2010, 05:57 AM

    sorry, just take out that space before the word 'watch', my fault


    Sweet Jesus, you can't do it yourself?  Even when your rickrolling you fail


    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #294 - April 02, 2010, 06:22 AM

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  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #295 - April 02, 2010, 06:23 AM

    Feel free to amaze us with your wisdom

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #296 - April 02, 2010, 06:25 AM

    Ok guys, enough with the banning threats. Unless someone can point to an instance where a forum rule has been explicitly and deliberately broken, nobody's getting banned.

    If anyone doesn't feel like reading anyone else's posts, just use the ignore button and move on. Kthanx.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #297 - April 02, 2010, 06:26 AM

    Hugz Allat!

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #298 - April 02, 2010, 06:31 AM

    Ozonedance

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #299 - April 02, 2010, 06:46 AM

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