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 Topic: Top Ex-Muslim Myths

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  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #300 - April 02, 2010, 06:48 AM

    Salam

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #301 - April 02, 2010, 07:03 AM

    I don't think so Homer, all I've heard from them is that he was a pedophile proper, i.e., sexually attracted to children. Maybe you can talk to them lol.


    Well....I just did. Some of them may even disagree with me.....My feelings will not be hurt
    Either way it is irrelevant. While he (imo) not a pedophile (in the psychological sense), he could still commit an act of Pedophillia.
    Like how you dont have to be a pyromaniac to burn down houses for fun

    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

     "Do time ninjas have this ability?" "Yeah. Only they stay silent and aren't douchebags."  -Ibl
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #302 - April 02, 2010, 07:08 AM

    I hate having to ignore people. I'm pretty much done. I'm wasting too much time here and there is just way too much negativity on here for my taste. I like to have discussions, I don't want to have a cat fight every time I share an idea nor do I want to see others cat fight constantly.

    tc all, and liberated be well brother.

    I'm trying to translate, but from what I've seen it appears that "negativity" means "people not agreeing with me" and therefore a logical extrapolation would be that in this context "discussions" means "people agreeing with me".

    In my experience it is normal for discussions to involve strong disagreement on some points. They wouldn't be discussions otherwise. I'm really not sure what you were expecting.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #303 - April 02, 2010, 07:13 AM

    I hate having to ignore people. I'm pretty much done. I'm wasting too much time here and there is just way too much negativity on here for my taste. I like to have discussions, I don't want to have a cat fight every time I share an idea nor do I want to see others cat fight constantly.



    Why not?

    That's like 80% of the reason I even go on the internet.


    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

     "Do time ninjas have this ability?" "Yeah. Only they stay silent and aren't douchebags."  -Ibl
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #304 - April 02, 2010, 10:12 AM

    You may find Islam's teaching about hitting silly and offensive but it certainly isn't advocating that you 'beat' your wife, 'beat' as we understand it in our everyday English is pretty harsh. You guys are misrepresenting Islam left and right.

    Oh really?
    Here:

    Just wanted to make this clear for anyone who is interested and meets any of those who deny this verse means "Hit".

    Here are some verses from the Qur'an where the verb daraba means "Hit". I want you to notice how it takes it's verb directly and is not qualified by any preposition or word like Similitude etc...

    In each case it means "Hit"


    اضْرِبُوهُنَّ  "Hit them"

    (4.34)


    يَضْرِبُونَ وُجُوهَهُمْ وَأَدْبَارَهُمْ  "They hit their faces and their backs"

    (8.50)



    ضَرْبَ الرِّقَابِ  "Hit the necks" (chop their heads off)

    (47.4)



    اضْرِبُوهُ  "Hit it"

    (2.73)


    Now in the following verses the verb daraba doesn't mean Hit - at least not in a literal sense - but notice that it - and/or it's object - are qualified by a preposition and/or a word like Similitude in the Earth...


     ضَرَبَ اللَّهُ مَثَلًا  Allah strikes a parable

     (14:24)



    ضَرْبًا فِي الْأَرْضِ  "Striking in the Earth" (i.e to go forth in the land)

    (2:273)


    نَضْرِبُ عَنْكُمُ الذِّكْرَ    We strike away the reminder from you. (We turn it away)

    (43.5)



    If   اضْرِبُوهُنَّ   "Hit them" meant "Leave them alone/Go away from them" it would have to have a preposition like عن (From/Away)

    So it would have to be  واضربوا عنهن = And strike away from them

    If it meant "Strike up a similitude for them" it would have to have a preposition like  ل (to/for) and a qualifying word like "Parable" مثلا

    So it would have to be something like:   واضربوا لهن مثلا = And strike up for them a parable/similitude

    If it meant "and go forth" it would have to have a preposition like في and a qualifying word like "Earth" الارض

    So it would have to be something like:   واضربوا في الارض  = And go forth in the land


    Going back to the pedophile issue, give me a piece of reasoning (r---> c) to look at, that is SOUND, that will allow me to conclude that Muhammad was a pedophile.

    Could you get ever get aroused by a nine year old girl?

    Have a look:



    I couldn't. Even if it was "acceptable". For a simple reason that I am not attracted to prepubescent girls.
    Even if you did put a nine year old into my bed I simply wouldn’t be able to have sex with her. I wouldn't find her attractive and there is no way in hell I could get a hard on.
    See I am not a paedophile.

    Besides raping a nine year old is simply wrong because there can be no consensus at that age. Doesn't matter if it happened 1200 years ago or yesterday.
    Event though children do physically mature faster nowadays because of better living condition. But a nine year old? NFW!

    Similarly you could put a guy into my bed and I wouldn't be able to have sex with him. Yeah, even if it was Enrique Iglesias.
    I simply do not find men sexually attractive.


  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #305 - April 02, 2010, 06:54 PM

    No I'm not saying you must use a positive term. You are claiming that Islam allows wives to be 'beaten'. Beaten with what? A miswak? You may find Islam's teaching about hitting silly and offensive but it certainly isn't advocating that you 'beat' your wife, 'beat' as we understand it in our everyday English is pretty harsh. You guys are misrepresenting Islam left and right.


    No, a miswak is recommended - so is a silk scarf. But the fact of the matter is that in classical sunni shariah it is not forbidden -at ALL - to hit your wife with your fist, your open hand, your foot, or anything else.  It may not ADVOCATE it -- it may only advocate symbolically humiliating her and treating her like a little doggie with a toothbrush -- but it  ALLOWS it.  

    Unfuckingbelievable.  

    ETA: Oh so the guy deletes most of his posts.  Wow.  OK.  Nvrmnd. 

    [this space for rent]
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #306 - April 02, 2010, 11:35 PM

    Very simple. Muhammad himself is telling his followers to hit lightly, and in the fiqh this is used as evidence for the ruling that a woman cannot be physically harmed by the hitting. What kind of beating causes no physical damage? It isn't beating, it's more like bullying.
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #307 - April 02, 2010, 11:37 PM

    Muhammad: Go forth and bully your wives!

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #308 - April 02, 2010, 11:38 PM

    Congrats you are the first to deserve this honorary virgin smiley

    Go Criss!

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  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #309 - April 02, 2010, 11:39 PM

    Very simple. Muhammad himself is telling his followers to hit lightly, and in the fiqh this is used as evidence for the ruling that a woman cannot be physically harmed by the hitting. What kind of beating causes no physical damage? It isn't beating, it's more like bullying.

    Right. At least you are not denying that it says "hit".
    But how does this view change anything? At fundamental level I mean.
    Is bullying one's partner (or anybody for that matter) OK?
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #310 - April 02, 2010, 11:39 PM

    lol that gif comes in handy yet again!



    but like Kenan said, bullying your wife is only sllliigghhttlllyy less bad than hitting your wife

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #311 - April 03, 2010, 01:01 AM

    Right. At least you are not denying that it says "hit".
    But how does this view change anything? At fundamental level I mean.
    Is bullying one's partner (or anybody for that matter) OK?


    The question was if Islam teaches Muslims to 'beat' their wives or not. It doesn't. It is teaching them to bully them. The question wasn't is that bad/good either. The issues was 'what' Islam instructs.

    Bullying is a lot better than 'beating', though of course still negative. In a 'beating' someone could be killed.
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #312 - April 03, 2010, 01:14 AM

    Given this extraordinary ability to see the good islam, can you explain what arguments made you realise its was not ordained by Allah?

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  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #313 - April 03, 2010, 01:15 AM

    That's for another thread. This one is on Ex-Muslim myths.
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #314 - April 03, 2010, 01:25 AM

    OK, but please hurry, I'm intrigued! popcorn

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  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #315 - April 03, 2010, 07:13 AM

    The question was if Islam teaches Muslims to 'beat' their wives or not. It doesn't. It is teaching them to bully them. The question wasn't is that bad/good either. The issues was 'what' Islam instructs.

    Bullying is a lot better than 'beating', though of course still negative. In a 'beating' someone could be killed.

    That just dandy, but we all know that in practice beating your wife or wives is regarded as Islamically justified in many countries. Why? Because the Quran, not the debatable ahadith, says "hit them". It doesn't say what to hit them with and it doesn't say how hard you can hit them. It just says to hit them. Since this is Allah's command it shouldn't be surprising that a lot of idiots take it seriously.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #316 - April 03, 2010, 09:01 AM

    The question was if Islam teaches Muslims to 'beat' their wives or not. It doesn't. It is teaching them to bully them. The question wasn't is that bad/good either. The issues was 'what' Islam instructs.

    You are wrong.
    Try and look at the underlying implications rather than focusing on superficiality.
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #317 - April 03, 2010, 09:38 AM

    Where's my dinner, woman  finmad






    (I hope at least one person gets it)

    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

     "Do time ninjas have this ability?" "Yeah. Only they stay silent and aren't douchebags."  -Ibl
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #318 - April 03, 2010, 09:46 AM

    (I hope at least one person gets it)

    You take dental hygiene extremely seriously?
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #319 - April 03, 2010, 09:47 AM

    Beat her with a miswak (toothbrush)! Cheesy

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #320 - April 03, 2010, 10:30 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUAXm6yoLVo

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QQ52uG6lsg




  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #321 - April 03, 2010, 11:44 AM

    I once though that Hamza Yusuf is a proper intellectual.
    He was one of my favourite scholars.
    Wtf was I thinking?
    The power of self delusion truly is an amazing thing.
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #322 - April 03, 2010, 11:46 AM

    What don't you like about him?
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #323 - April 03, 2010, 12:01 PM

    The fundamental issue I have with him is that his "liberal" approach is skin deep only.
    His double standards when it comes to Islam and then his quasi intellectualism.
    His Zayatuna Institute and the way it is run resembles a cult - at least this was my impression.
    He's like a rock star for the Muslims.
    Look into the eyes of the women veiled in black in the video you have provided, study her facial expression.

    Also some of his debates with atheist/agnostics and responses he provided were unworthy of a true intellectual.
    Have you ever seen/heard any of these quasi intellectuals condemn Islamic colonialism or Islamic slavery for example?
    They are always quick to condemn Western imperialism and they tend to blame it for the misfortunes of Muslims. How come ALL imperialisms aren't equally condemned by those guys?

    Have you seen this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-9-oBTuwfw

    Sign of a truly smart individual is to know when to keep one's mouth shut.

    Here is what Richard Dawkins had to say regarding the video:


    "It is very clear that he has not read any books by Sam or by me. I suspect that he is confusing TGD with the documentary Root of All Evil. Most probably he has not seen ROAE itself, but read a review of it. 'Picks on the worst of religion' was the commonest criticism of ROAE, and it frequently went with something like 'How would you like it if people judged science by picking on the worst examples of science?' I don't think anybody said that ROAE picked out the best examples of science, because it wasn't, after all, about science. But it would be easy for this idiot to misread the 'How would you like it if . . .' line in the way that he apparently has, assume that the film did that very thing, and then muddle the film with the book.

    He is an American (real name Mark Hanson) who converted to Islam and took a fake Islamic name. Sounds more impressive doesn't it, Shaykh Hamza Yusuf, than Mark Hanson? Does any psychologist or sociologist know if it is a standard thing people do, if they are too inadequate to make a success of themselves in their own culture -- change your identity and re-invent yourself, to see if people take you more seriously? It is very believable that somebody as palpably stupid as this would not make a name for himself as an ordinary American called Mark Hanson. But as Shaykh Hamza Yusuf, The Guardian describes him as "arguably the west's most influential Islamic scholar" and he is said to advise Bush on Islamic matters."

    On a side note I find the fact that a veiled woman (and I mean this in a strict Islamic interpretation) considers herself to be a champion of human rights and establishes a shelter for the victims of domestic abuse truly ironic.

  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #324 - April 03, 2010, 12:03 PM

    IM is a confirmed  muslim now
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #325 - April 03, 2010, 12:12 PM

    Nothing wrong with being a Muslim.
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #326 - April 03, 2010, 12:16 PM

    I agree, but there is something wrong with pretending to not be a muslim when you are one.
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #327 - April 03, 2010, 12:18 PM

    I don't think that he is pretending. He is what he is.
    Besides its OT.
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #328 - April 03, 2010, 12:23 PM

    He claimed he was an atheist/ex muslim, then he makes a post about 'ex muslim myths' and spends 10 pages trying to defend M from not being a ped, ignoring all explanations that prove him wrong, and then he makes another thread about 'wisdom of islam'. I asked him if he will make a thread explaining why he left islam, he ignores me. Then he posts humza yousaf's stuff Cheesy
  • Re: Top Ex-Muslim Myths
     Reply #329 - April 03, 2010, 12:24 PM

    Hamza Yusuf acts all ecumenical when he's speaking to mixed gatherings but when he's talking to Muslims?  It's the same old Islamist, b.s. 'The Jews and the Christians are conspiring to hide the truth of Islam,' 'Secularism is evil,' etc., etc.

    I also lost a lot of respect for him when he said that Allah blew up the Challenger space mission and sank the Titanic. Haha!
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