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Re: Women
Reply #150 - April 09, 2010, 03:08 AM

Quote from: @li on April 09, 2010, 03:04 AM
I really do not get what this whole 'homophobia', 'frat house', 'treating women as objects' talk is all about.

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Reply #151 - April 09, 2010, 03:19 AM

Quote from: allat on April 09, 2010, 12:09 AM
Here are a few:

Here are the dates of those posts:

- March 29 2010, Tommy
- December 3, 2009, Tommy
- April 21, 2009, King Tut
- Jan 10, 2010, Iblis, saying 'not all of us are little bitches like kawaii' (Kawaii is a guy). When a guy is called a bitch, its not derogatory towards women in general! Context anyone? Or are we not allowed to say the word 'bitch' in any circumstance now?
- March 28, 2010, Tommy
- Feb 17, 2010 , Blackdog, (I agree that this one is quite bad)

I think Iblis's post calling kawai a little bitch should be dropped off this list, its a personal attack on Kawaii, yes, but its in no way misogynyst.

King tut is obviously a troll and has already been banned, I think.

That leaves us with 4 posts, 3 of them made by tommy and 1 of them by blackdog.

So the whole problem is with 1 or 2 posters using such words. In this case, the right thing to do would be to PM those members privately instead of creating a whole public drama which 99% of the forum has nothing to do with.

Also, 4 posts in 1 year is not 'swimming in misogyny ' at all.
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Reply #152 - April 09, 2010, 03:22 AM

Like I said, there are many others. I spend enough time going through the search function. You can go ahead and look for more. There were also shoutbox posts that are not there anymore as they were there a few weeks ago from Tommy and others.

Anyway, sexism and misogyny will no longer be tolerated. It'll be handled on a case by case basis so there won't be a mass banning of any words or such, but this place will not be a haven for gansta-wannabe sexists anymore. End of.

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Reply #153 - April 09, 2010, 03:31 AM

This post and the next one are two more examples I remembered from the other day:

http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=9439.msg247267#msg247267

Like I said yesterday, I think the phrase "swimming in" was a bit of an exaggeration (although fine as part of a somewhat ranty post) but there has been more misogyny around here than I'm comfortable with, and I like having my cock sucked as much as the next bloke.

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Reply #154 - April 09, 2010, 03:33 AM

@allat Wlll posts like iblis's post on the prostitution thread, which was quite clearly a joke, disallowed?
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Reply #155 - April 09, 2010, 03:36 AM

If I'd seen it sooner, I would've spoken up and told him to chill out. I've been told that I need to speak up more and I'm planning to do that. Iblis could've come back with some maturity to anyone who didn't like his post there. Instead he came back all macho and stupid, and for that he got banned.

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Reply #156 - April 09, 2010, 03:39 AM

Iblis is banned? Permanently or temporarily?

What is sexist about that post though. Making a joke about fat men or women is not sexist or offensive
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Reply #157 - April 09, 2010, 03:40 AM

It's stupid and so he was not banned for that post. He was banned for what he said to Manat earlier in this thread.

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Reply #158 - April 09, 2010, 03:43 AM

I apologise if my previous avatar offended anyone. It was most certainly not intentionally sexist or misogynist but I guess it could be construed as objectifying women sexually - even though the woman was in a dominant position. I live and learn but my apology to any person who was offended is sincere.

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Reply #159 - April 09, 2010, 03:43 AM

So is it a permanent or temp ban? Just wondering
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Reply #160 - April 09, 2010, 04:00 AM

Quote from: @li on April 09, 2010, 03:43 AM
So is it a permanent or temp ban? Just wondering

It's a 2-month temp ban, for now.

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Reply #161 - April 09, 2010, 04:28 AM

Isn't a 2 month ban a bit too extreme? I was dissapointed by Iblis's behavior, but shit, you can't be mad at him for being direct and sharing his opinion like it is.

EDIT: I think a 2 week ban would've been much proper and deserving. 2 weeks is enough to give both Iblis and Manat to look past this thread and their differences.

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Reply #162 - April 09, 2010, 04:34 AM

omg, why is everyone defending Iblis and so concerned about how long he'll be gone? He already had 2 strikes and his attack on Manat very clearly deserved a third one, even he knew that. If it had been anyone else nobody would be protesting at all.

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Reply #163 - April 09, 2010, 04:36 AM

Quote from: Luthiel on April 09, 2010, 04:34 AM
If it had been anyone else nobody would be protesting at all.

You're a psychic are you?

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Reply #164 - April 09, 2010, 04:38 AM

Hahahahaha, make that a 900 month ban if you want. Iblis ain't comin back.

But.. I felt I left on a bit of an angry note. So I wanted to leave you guys with a whimsical and enlightening tune you can bob ur head 2.

watch?v=QagknwNl6Q4

(can't post links, check it out on YT, )

Don't get me wrong, I love you all of y'all. Manat too. No, I'm not sexist, I'm just a jerk and I'll have plenty of feminist blow-hards telling me what to do during the rest of my corporate career, so I'll be damned if I have to watch my tongue over the net.

But seriously, no hard feelings. I'm just me, what can I do, naw sayin?

K, peace out. Enjoy the track.

EDIT: I'm still trollin on strong on youtube as slickback83. Holla at me.
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Reply #165 - April 09, 2010, 04:41 AM

By the way, the reason why I protest is because I feel that 2 month ban, for a guy who is direct and jokes around (like many others here) is unfair. I have nothing personal against the staff here, but I do know power is abused here sometimes. It's pretty self evident.

But then again, I don't expect anything to change simply because few here object. Nonetheless, wanted to point it out.

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Reply #166 - April 09, 2010, 04:43 AM

Quote from: macho-nerd on April 09, 2010, 04:38 AM
Hahahahaha, make that a 900 month ban if you want. Iblis ain't comin back.

But.. I felt I left on a bit of an angry note. So I wanted to leave you guys with a whimsical and enlightening tune you can bob ur head 2.

watch?v=QagknwNl6Q4

(can't post links, check it out on YT, )

Don't get me wrong, I love you all of y'all. Manat too. No, I'm not sexist, I'm just a jerk and I'll have plenty of feminist blow-hards telling me what to do during the rest of my corporate career, so I'll be damned if I have to watch my tongue over the net.

But seriously, no hard feelings. I'm just me, what can I do, naw sayin?

K, peace out. Enjoy the track.

Well at least he knows how to get around the system to give us his thoughts.

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Reply #167 - April 09, 2010, 06:12 AM

This is the most polite forum on the internet and what Iblis did was outrageous. I haven't encountered a single post in my entire time here that could be described as rude, cruel, arrogant, derisive or racist. This is an inclusive board where every one is equal. Yeah. Hang on...I need to smoke a bit more crack.

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Reply #168 - April 09, 2010, 07:18 AM

I'm 100% with tommy on this one. King tut was a major troll, much more sexist than iblis, called me all the names in the book and he was only banned for 1 month, iblis is a great member overall and only had one angry post where he was frustrated, and he got a 2 month ban. A 2 week ban makes a lot more sense.
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Reply #169 - April 09, 2010, 07:22 AM

double post
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Reply #170 - April 09, 2010, 07:31 AM

Quote from: macho-nerd on April 09, 2010, 04:38 AM
Don't get me wrong, I love you all of y'all. Manat too. No, I'm not sexist, I'm just a jerk and I'll have plenty of feminist blow-hards telling me what to do during the rest of my corporate career, so I'll be damned if I have to watch my tongue over the net.

I think you might be misunderstanding this whole thing dude. When I first read this thread I also thought it was directed at you or made because of your post on the prostitution thread, but as they've clarified the mods were having a private conversation already about the whole atmosphere of the forum and that prompted manat to open this thread.

So yea, I don't think they wanted you personally to change anything at all, this post probably was directed at some other people here.
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Reply #171 - April 09, 2010, 07:43 AM

Quote from: abdalwali on April 09, 2010, 06:12 AM
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Reply #172 - April 09, 2010, 07:55 AM

Quote from: @li on April 09, 2010, 02:38 AM
Being fat is unhealthy for you, therefore negative for yourself, duh.

First, that is arguable. It depends on the definitions of "fat" and "healthy" and the circumstances you're in.

Second, even if we took for granted that being fat is absolutely unhealthy, it's still morally wrong to be mean to people who are ok with slowly damaging themselves in order to convince them to think YOUR way.

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Reply #173 - April 09, 2010, 08:04 AM

By all means they can get off their butt and exercise if they don't like me making fun of fat people in general. I'm not going to limit my freedom of speech for them.
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Reply #174 - April 09, 2010, 08:32 AM

There is no reason for you to be expressing your obvious dislike of fat people 'freedom of speach and blah blah' the only reason you want to express it is for your amusement (and a few others) by being rude, disrespectful, and tasteless. - it's offensive humour and that's why 'family guy' and such shows are the type you love or hate.

Some people have busy lives, some people have a genetic reason and it's difficult to exercise it off, some people are bigger boned and some people are lazy and complain about it, some are and don't.

The point is whatever the reason for being big that gives you no excuse to 'make fun of them'

And I highly doubt you'll stop making fun of big people even if they 'got off their butts and exercised'. Why should they have to conform to your views anyway? One big person may have done that, may be exercising to lose weight, or maintain their weight, how do you know they're not? they would read this and be offended. And the term 'fat' can be taken to mean anything but a size 6...or some may take it in their mind as anything but a size 0...It's people like you that make young girls paranoid that they look 'fat' etc or that they'll look fat and instead of working on their minds they're preoccupied by trying to be body perfect and when they reach their 40s it's pretty much down after that

It's true women do face a lot of prejudice especially when they no longer look 'young and cute/hot' so why should women slave over being eye candy for men when once they hit 30 to 40 they're thrown into the boot. But that's the pressure young girls are getting and being derailled from education because if you don't look slim and cute you're bound to be made fun of for being fat and 'ugly'. I seen a documentary where there was this one woman (you may know here from 'blue eye green eye' experiment) said to another 'Get over cute, fast' best piece of powerful, life changing advice I believe.

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Reply #175 - April 09, 2010, 08:39 AM

Quote from: @li on April 09, 2010, 08:04 AM
By all means they can get off their butt and exercise if they don't like me making fun of fat people in general. I'm not going to limit my freedom of speech for them.

I'll reiterate: what about those who like being fat?
What should they do if they don't like being hurt by spiteful comments?
Should they go through behavioral correction in order to stop being ostracized by you?

Does the same apply to homosexuals and those who make fun of homosexuality?
Should they learn to like the opposite sex in case they feel hurt by the constant slander?

Does the same apply to atheists who come out among religious zealots?
If they don't like the constant barking against them, they can just convert to their religion.

Etcetera etcetera.

You want freedom of verbal harassment under the pretense of freedom of speech.

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Reply #176 - April 09, 2010, 08:50 AM

Quote from: @li on April 09, 2010, 07:18 AM
I'm 100% with tommy on this one. King tut was a major troll, much more sexist than iblis, called me all the names in the book and he was only banned for 1 month, iblis is a great member overall and only had one angry post where he was frustrated, and he got a 2 month ban. A 2 week ban makes a lot more sense.

I think they make a special case for King Tut out of pity.

When I joined the forum last year he was banned (locked into the Pit forum or whatever it was called).
I assume they banned him countless times already.
So I guess all that is left is to perma-ban, but I think they have mercy on him cause he's an obvious troll that is too obvious, and that's kinda harmless ^_^

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Reply #177 - April 09, 2010, 09:10 AM

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I'll reiterate: what about those who like being fat?

They ought to see a therapist. I've never met anyone who 'wants' to keep an unhealthy characteristic which keeps their body unhealthy, clogs their blood, and may give them an early heart attack. If someone wants to be fat, they have quite a low self esteem/respect for their body. which underlines other psychological issues that they should see a therapist about.

99.9999999% of fat people don't wan't to be fat, and if they simply change their diet and start to exercise, they will see a change.

Quote from: stardust on April 09, 2010, 08:32 AM
There is no reason for you to be expressing your obvious dislike of fat people 'freedom of speach and blah blah' the only reason you want to express it is for your amusement (and a few others) by being rude, disrespectful, and tasteless. - it's offensive humour and that's why 'family guy' and such shows are the type you love or hate.

What Iblis said (something like 'I always wanted to be a hooker, fat chicks need love too') doesn't show a dislike of fat people at all. Unless he said it to the face in front of a fat woman, in which case I would agree that it was disrespectful. But posting it on an online forum clearly as a joke, should only be taken as a joke.

We're not babies here whom you need to 'mother' and only allow to say things that don't contain any naughty words. Sheesh.

Quote from: stardust on April 09, 2010, 08:32 AM
Some people have busy lives, some people have a genetic reason and it's difficult to exercise it off, some people are bigger boned and some people are lazy and complain about it, some are and don't.

Nothing but excuses. If I held a gun to the head of someone and told them they had to lose weight in X days or they'd be shot, its guaranteed that they will do whatever it takes to lose weight. Genetically I'm bigger boned as well, I have diabeties in my family and all males in my family are fat. If I didn't work out I'd be like them too. It all comes down to choices. I haven't had any sugar in my coffee for 5 years for example, and i tend to stay far away from most sugary foods.

Quote from: stardust on April 09, 2010, 08:32 AM
Why should they have to conform to your views anyway?

They don't have to, and I also don't have to confirm to anyone else's views that I can't make fun of fat people.
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Reply #178 - April 09, 2010, 09:14 AM

Quote from: Tlaloc on April 09, 2010, 08:50 AM
So I guess all that is left is to perma-ban, but I think they have mercy on him cause he's an obvious troll that is too obvious, and that's kinda harmless ^_^

King tut is not harmless at all. If he was banned previously, and then he called me names after being unbanned, then he should be perm-banned. Esp. if iblis is getting 2 months for 1 post out of his 5-6k.
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Reply #179 - April 09, 2010, 10:19 AM

Tut is currently banned for another six months anyway.

Quote from: abdalwali on April 09, 2010, 03:43 AM
I apologise if my previous avatar offended anyone. It was most certainly not intentionally sexist or misogynist but I guess it could be construed as objectifying women sexually - even though the woman was in a dominant position. I live and learn but my apology to any person who was offended is sincere.

No that wasn't the reason we changed it. All the staff thought your old av was funny as hell. It was just that because your nick starts with an "a" you were on the first page of the memberlist, and the nifty new memberlist template shows everyone's avatar. We felt that although your av was hilarious it might be a bit much for the "front page" if any minors were checking out the site. That was all.

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